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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:33 PM
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How will Hillary respond to the new NYT article stating most SD will go with pledged delegate winner
For Democrats, Increased Fears of a Long Fight
March 16, 2008

While many superdelegates said they intended to keep their options open as the race continued to play out over the next three months, the interviews suggested that the playing field was tilting slightly toward Mr. Obama in one potentially vital respect. Many of them said that in deciding whom to support, they would adopt what Mr. Obamas campaign has advocated as the essential principle: reflecting the will of the voters.

Mr. Obama has won more states, a greater share of the popular vote and more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.

A New York Times survey of superdelegates last week found that Mr. Obama had been winning over more of them recently than Mrs. Clinton had, though Mrs. Clinton retained an overall lead among those who have made a choice. Over the past month, according to the survey, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, picked up 54 superdelegates; Mrs. Clinton, of New York, picked up 31.

If we get to the end and Senator Obama has won more states, has more delegates and more popular vote, said Representative Jason Altmire, Democrat of Pennsylvania, who is undecided, I would need some sort of rationale for why at that point any superdelegate would go the other way, seeing that the people have spoken.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/us/politics/16delegat...


Please tell us your end game Senator Clinton. How are you expecting to win?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:34 PM
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1. She's just going to continue attacking Obama's electability.
Expect the attacks to become more RW-ish and personal.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:00 PM
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34. Sad but true.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:15 PM
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54. After awhile doesn't she start sounding
like a warped cd?
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:34 PM
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2. Racist attack incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:34 PM
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3. Bwahahahaha - it looks like the Hillster will end up with the pledged delegate lead.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:35 PM
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4. what?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:37 PM
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8. You'll see the polls....
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:43 PM
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12. Amazing.
It's DELEGATES!!! not polls. If the NYT article is accutate, it is impossible for Sen Clinton to win.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:46 PM
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16. With a re-vote in MI & a strong showing in PA, KY, WV, PR etc she can beat him in
pledged delegates.... and there's always FL...
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:54 PM
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24. With FL,, MI, KY, PA, WV. and PR
at 60% victories, she won't overcome the pledged delegate lead, even if she wins the rest of the contests with 51%.

None of those things are going to happen, either.

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:54 PM
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26. Watch her win PA with 70% of the vote! Hill Yes!
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:56 PM
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29. So she'll win bigger than any of her 3 home states? Right. Goodnight.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:16 PM
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46. Hahaha.
number of contests Hillary has won with 60% or more: 1 (home state)
contests for Obama with 60% or more: 16

Stop dreaming.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:29 PM
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50. Not dreaming, working on it. I've got 3 new voters for the Hillblazer & 2 flips from Obama.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM
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51. That's five....
Where are the other 20 million?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:08 PM
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52. She won't need anywhere near 20 million to win...... not sure what you're smoking.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:00 AM
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59. Thats a start, if it works out for her
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:01 AM by Gore1FL
but how does she make up the other 100+ pledged delegates?
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:39 PM
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57. right
and the sun will shine
and the skies will open
and a bright light will shine on her
and the celestial choir will sing her praises
a redo for her in mi OR my home fl will be a disaster for her
i dont know about mi but here....shes about as poular as a turd in a punch bowl
go home hillary
stop the madness
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 AM
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61. Polls show her up 15-20 points on Obama in a FL re-vote.
You must live in a unique part.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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37. Put the bottle down.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:17 PM
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47. You have bumped your head
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:16 PM
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55. Have you been eating the brown acid again?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:31 PM
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56. ..................
:hug: We're waiting with open arms for you at team Hilly.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:36 PM
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5. She will accuse Obama of being a radical Muslim
and her DU followers will forget all they posted about Rev. Wright and UCC.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM
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40. Worth a try anyway.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:36 PM
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6. Tears?
:shrug:
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 PM
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35. No Fair!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:37 PM
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7. I won't pretend to be her
but my response is that your headline isn't what the article says. It states that they will follow pledged delegates, states won, AND THE POPULAR VOTE. If she is leading in the last category while he leads in the first two, then all bets are off. As a Clinton supporter I would call on her to quit if Obama is ahead in all three.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:41 PM
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10. Including caucus states, Obama is up over a million votes.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 PM
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14. that is without FL or MI which should either revote or be counted toward her PV
It is one thing to refuse to seat delegates but quite another to refuse to take into account that they actually did vote for her. Florida was race conducted under the same rules for all while Michigan wasn't. Ideally, I think FL should be counted as is and MI revote. I can live with revotes for both. But failing that she should at least get credit for the votes she got with Obama getting the uncommitted ones in MI and his in FL.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:12 PM
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45. I don't agree
I don't think the Fl delegates should be seated as is because a campaign can really change the race. Look at what happened in Ohio & Texas, Hillary was ahead by 20 but by campaigning Obama cut that lead down to 3-10 points. So I wouldn't mind a revote in MI or FL but it would have to be one where the candidates can campaign.

However, I don't see what the big deal is about needing a revote. The reality is in most primaries the votes of the last 20 states to vote don't matter. Here in Indiana this will probably be the first and last state where my vote in the primary matters. I don't see why FL and MI are getting into such a huff, it isn't like not having your vote matter in the primary is something new. I'm not opposed to a revote, just don't understand why people seem to think it is 'disenfranchising' when most every state after super tuesday has an irrelevant vote in most elections.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:20 PM
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48. I also disagree.
There should be a re-vote in both places.

All the candidates agreed that the votes in those states wouldn't count. Obviously, a lot of people stayed home, just as GOP voters are staying home now; it doesn't matter, anymore.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:23 PM
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49. blah blah blah
Even with a revote FL doesn't do near enough for her and MI is at best a tie. Even this red herring is pointless. The election is over but no one will call it because Hillary's last name is Clinton.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:01 AM
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62. If you are so sure
run the fucking votes. When I am sure of a result I don't whine and cry about the fact people wish to play the game.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:48 PM
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58. wow a real thought
i am a floridian and i think you are on to something
allot floridas proportionally by poll results
we had everyone on our ballots i cant contest that fact
but we did break the rules at the state party level
so in fairness do not seat floridas super delagates
since as party officials they caused the problem
as for mi i again agree
the ballot was unfair as it was the soviet style one candidate ballot
so let them revote
and suspend also their superdelagates
as they too are the ones who tried to break the dnc rules
and the dnc needs to make fl pay for half of mi revote as a punishment
i can live with this myself



go obama
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM
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9. Like i've said, it appears the unpledged superdelegates are spineless.
since they are so spineless it seems that they will go to obama, as he leads in all categories.
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:42 PM
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11. Just as spineless as Congressional Dems.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 PM
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13. yes they will go with the will of the people, soooo spineless
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:45 PM
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15. So delegates and states wone mean nothing? All about popular vote?
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:48 PM
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19. it won't matter, obama will win all three
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:49 PM
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21. No shit. Spineless would be giving it to the winner of 1 out of the 3 conditions.
Caving to the Clinton mafia.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:56 PM
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28. They are. If they haven't chosen a candidate by now imo they are spineless.
there is no way so many are still undecided about who should win at this point imo. if they had a spine they would go with what who they believe and stop letting people try to woo them.

but since they are spineless they will go to obama, and this is a good thing.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:58 PM
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32. or maybe that spine makes them want to beat the republicans bad
and they want to make this the least divisive primary possible
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:59 PM
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33. Well, that worked.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:02 PM
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what are you talking about? the election hasn't happened yet
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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38. They want to make this the least devisive primary... it's already devisive.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:07 PM
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41. of course it is, but it'd be even more divisive if the election was decided by supers
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:08 PM
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42. Bullshit. They could shut it down tomorrow, next month, or April 23. SHE CANT WIN THE MATH>
He just won as many delegates TODAY from Iowa than she did in Ohio. Its done.


Have some spine, and shut it the fuck down.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:10 PM
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43. i meant if the superdelegates voted with the loser of the pledged delegates
If they shut it down today by supporting Obama that would make sense.
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:11 PM
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44. got it.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:47 PM
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17. Perhaps the victim posture?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:48 PM
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18. Mumble Something About Jesse Jackson And The Black Panthers
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:50 PM by MannyGoldstein
Put the entire movie "Mandingo" on YouTube, with Obama's head replacing that of Ken Norton.

Claim she has no reason to believe that Obama is Vladimir Putin in blackface, and she takes him at his word that he won't kill all of our first-born children to drink their blood.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:48 PM
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20. Is there some reason why super delegates don't gang together and put an end to this sooner rather
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:49 PM by high density
than later?

The math is very much against her. There are 10 contests left and she needs 64% wins in every one to catch up in pledged delegates. If Michigan revotes the game becomes even more in Obama's favor. I don't see why they are delaying the inevitable.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:51 PM
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22. I wonder why also.
If they would step forward and end this, we will all be put out of our misery.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:52 PM
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23. Yep...
In a perfect world Clinton would have bowed out already, but the super delegates have the power to override her ego.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:55 PM
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27. That might happen.
As a few more states go by, if the percentages to be nominated get higher and higher for Clinton, we may see a big swing of the remaining superdelegates to end it all before the convention.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:57 PM
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31. They likely will after PR. I don't think we'll go into the convention without a nominee.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:02 PM
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36. Would be nice.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:54 PM
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25. Being a Hillary supporter I can say for her
We will worry about that later. Right now we are trying to win states.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:57 PM
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30. The strategy seems to be worrying about winning states later as well
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:58 PM by high density
Which is the main problem here. If the super delegates are going to be "spineless" and go with the pledged delegate winner, they should seal the deal and get Obama up to 2025 right now.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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39. That's not gonna help
They can both run to the convention because SD's can change there mind all the way to the convention. And for the record, both candidates can stay in the race to the convention because neither candidate can obtain 2024 delegates.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:11 PM
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53. Disingenuous Header.
It is a combination of all those things that they believe presents the 'will of the people'.

If Hillary takes the popular vote, that whole context of the article changes. I hope you realize that.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:07 AM
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60. Simply state the the New York Times doesn't matter
They say it's just a small town rag who's reporters are nothing but a bunch of latte sipping elitists.
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