How will Hillary respond to the new NYT article stating most SD will go with pledged delegate winner

[TeamJordan23]

For Democrats, Increased Fears of a Long Fight
March 16, 2008

While many superdelegates said they intended to keep their options open as the race continued to play out over the next three months, the interviews suggested that the playing field was tilting slightly toward Mr. Obama in one potentially vital respect. Many of them said that in deciding whom to support, they would adopt what Mr. Obama’s campaign has advocated as the essential principle: reflecting the will of the voters.

Mr. Obama has won more states, a greater share of the popular vote and more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.

A New York Times survey of superdelegates last week found that Mr. Obama had been winning over more of them recently than Mrs. Clinton had, though Mrs. Clinton retained an overall lead among those who have made a choice. Over the past month, according to the survey, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, picked up 54 superdelegates; Mrs. Clinton, of New York, picked up 31.

“If we get to the end and Senator Obama has won more states, has more delegates and more popular vote,” said Representative Jason Altmire, Democrat of Pennsylvania, who is undecided, “I would need some sort of rationale for why at that point any superdelegate would go the other way, seeing that the people have spoken.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/us/politics/16delegat...

Please tell us your end game Senator Clinton. How are you expecting to win?

[anonymous171]

1. She's just going to continue attacking Obama's electability.

Expect the attacks to become more RW-ish and personal.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. Sad but true.

[Cha]

54. After awhile doesn't she start sounding

like a warped cd?

[wileedog]

2. Racist attack incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

[jlake]

3. Bwahahahaha - it looks like the Hillster will end up with the pledged delegate lead.

[tabatha]

4. what?

[jlake]

8. You'll see the polls....

[verges]

12. Amazing.

It's DELEGATES!!! not polls. If the NYT article is accutate, it is impossible for Sen Clinton to win.

[jlake]

16. With a re-vote in MI & a strong showing in PA, KY, WV, PR etc she can beat him in

pledged delegates.... and there's always FL...

[Gore1FL]

24. With FL,, MI, KY, PA, WV. and PR

at 60% victories, she won't overcome the pledged delegate lead, even if she wins the rest of the contests with 51%.

None of those things are going to happen, either.

[jlake]

26. Watch her win PA with 70% of the vote! Hill Yes!

[ossman]

29. So she'll win bigger than any of her 3 home states? Right. Goodnight.

[PseudoIntellect]

46. Hahaha.

number of contests Hillary has won with 60% or more: 1 (home state)
contests for Obama with 60% or more: 16

Stop dreaming.

[jlake]

50. Not dreaming, working on it. I've got 3 new voters for the Hillblazer & 2 flips from Obama.

[tinrobot]

51. That's five....

Where are the other 20 million?

[jlake]

52. She won't need anywhere near 20 million to win...... not sure what you're smoking.

[Gore1FL]

59. Thats a start, if it works out for her

but how does she make up the other 100+ pledged delegates?

[SwampG8r]

57. right

and the sun will shine
and the skies will open
and a bright light will shine on her
and the celestial choir will sing her praises
a redo for her in mi OR my home fl will be a disaster for her
i dont know about mi but here....shes about as poular as a turd in a punch bowl
go home hillary
stop the madness

[jlake]

61. Polls show her up 15-20 points on Obama in a FL re-vote.

You must live in a unique part.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Put the bottle down.

[krawhitham]

47. You have bumped your head

[Alexander]

55. Have you been eating the brown acid again?

[jlake]

56. ..................

We're waiting with open arms for you at team Hilly.

[IndianaGreen]

5. She will accuse Obama of being a radical Muslim

and her DU followers will forget all they posted about Rev. Wright and UCC.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Worth a try anyway.

[JimGinPA]

6. Tears?

[BumRushDaShow]

35. No Fair!

[dsc]

7. I won't pretend to be her

but my response is that your headline isn't what the article says. It states that they will follow pledged delegates, states won, AND THE POPULAR VOTE. If she is leading in the last category while he leads in the first two, then all bets are off. As a Clinton supporter I would call on her to quit if Obama is ahead in all three.

[TeamJordan23]

10. Including caucus states, Obama is up over a million votes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/obama-camp-our...

[dsc]

14. that is without FL or MI which should either revote or be counted toward her PV

It is one thing to refuse to seat delegates but quite another to refuse to take into account that they actually did vote for her. Florida was race conducted under the same rules for all while Michigan wasn't. Ideally, I think FL should be counted as is and MI revote. I can live with revotes for both. But failing that she should at least get credit for the votes she got with Obama getting the uncommitted ones in MI and his in FL.

[Juche]

45. I don't agree

I don't think the Fl delegates should be seated as is because a campaign can really change the race. Look at what happened in Ohio & Texas, Hillary was ahead by 20 but by campaigning Obama cut that lead down to 3-10 points. So I wouldn't mind a revote in MI or FL but it would have to be one where the candidates can campaign.

However, I don't see what the big deal is about needing a revote. The reality is in most primaries the votes of the last 20 states to vote don't matter. Here in Indiana this will probably be the first and last state where my vote in the primary matters. I don't see why FL and MI are getting into such a huff, it isn't like not having your vote matter in the primary is something new. I'm not opposed to a revote, just don't understand why people seem to think it is 'disenfranchising' when most every state after super tuesday has an irrelevant vote in most elections.

[PseudoIntellect]

48. I also disagree.

There should be a re-vote in both places.

All the candidates agreed that the votes in those states wouldn't count. Obviously, a lot of people stayed home, just as GOP voters are staying home now; it doesn't matter, anymore.

[wileedog]

49. blah blah blah

Even with a revote FL doesn't do near enough for her and MI is at best a tie. Even this red herring is pointless. The election is over but no one will call it because Hillary's last name is Clinton.

[dsc]

62. If you are so sure

run the fucking votes. When I am sure of a result I don't whine and cry about the fact people wish to play the game.

[SwampG8r]

58. wow a real thought

i am a floridian and i think you are on to something
allot floridas proportionally by poll results
we had everyone on our ballots i cant contest that fact
but we did break the rules at the state party level
so in fairness do not seat floridas super delagates
since as party officials they caused the problem
as for mi i again agree
the ballot was unfair as it was the soviet style one candidate ballot
so let them revote
and suspend also their superdelagates
as they too are the ones who tried to break the dnc rules
and the dnc needs to make fl pay for half of mi revote as a punishment
i can live with this myself



go obama

[loveangelc]

9. Like i've said, it appears the unpledged superdelegates are spineless.

since they are so spineless it seems that they will go to obama, as he leads in all categories.

[ossman]

11. Just as spineless as Congressional Dems.

[LordJFT]

13. yes they will go with the will of the people, soooo spineless

[ossman]

15. So delegates and states wone mean nothing? All about popular vote?

[LordJFT]

19. it won't matter, obama will win all three

[ossman]

21. No shit. Spineless would be giving it to the winner of 1 out of the 3 conditions.

Caving to the Clinton mafia.

[loveangelc]

28. They are. If they haven't chosen a candidate by now imo they are spineless.

there is no way so many are still undecided about who should win at this point imo. if they had a spine they would go with what who they believe and stop letting people try to woo them.

but since they are spineless they will go to obama, and this is a good thing.

[LordJFT]

32. or maybe that spine makes them want to beat the republicans bad

and they want to make this the least divisive primary possible

[ossman]

33. Well, that worked.

[LordJFT]

what are you talking about? the election hasn't happened yet

[ossman]

38. They want to make this the least devisive primary... it's already devisive.

[LordJFT]

41. of course it is, but it'd be even more divisive if the election was decided by supers

[ossman]

42. Bullshit. They could shut it down tomorrow, next month, or April 23. SHE CANT WIN THE MATH>

He just won as many delegates TODAY from Iowa than she did in Ohio. Its done.


Have some spine, and shut it the fuck down.

[LordJFT]

43. i meant if the superdelegates voted with the loser of the pledged delegates

If they shut it down today by supporting Obama that would make sense.

[ossman]

44. got it.

[Snarkoleptic]

17. Perhaps the victim posture?

[MannyGoldstein]

18. Mumble Something About Jesse Jackson And The Black Panthers

Put the entire movie "Mandingo" on YouTube, with Obama's head replacing that of Ken Norton.

Claim she has no reason to believe that Obama is Vladimir Putin in blackface, and she takes him at his word that he won't kill all of our first-born children to drink their blood.

[high density]

20. Is there some reason why super delegates don't gang together and put an end to this sooner rather

than later?

The math is very much against her. There are 10 contests left and she needs 64% wins in every one to catch up in pledged delegates. If Michigan revotes the game becomes even more in Obama's favor. I don't see why they are delaying the inevitable.

[madaboutharry]

22. I wonder why also.

If they would step forward and end this, we will all be put out of our misery.

[high density]

23. Yep...

In a perfect world Clinton would have bowed out already, but the super delegates have the power to override her ego.

[ozone_man]

27. That might happen.

As a few more states go by, if the percentages to be nominated get higher and higher for Clinton, we may see a big swing of the remaining superdelegates to end it all before the convention.

[loveangelc]

31. They likely will after PR. I don't think we'll go into the convention without a nominee.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Would be nice.

[UALRBSofL]

25. Being a Hillary supporter I can say for her

We will worry about that later. Right now we are trying to win states.

[high density]

30. The strategy seems to be worrying about winning states later as well

Which is the main problem here. If the super delegates are going to be "spineless" and go with the pledged delegate winner, they should seal the deal and get Obama up to 2025 right now.

[UALRBSofL]

39. That's not gonna help

They can both run to the convention because SD's can change there mind all the way to the convention. And for the record, both candidates can stay in the race to the convention because neither candidate can obtain 2024 delegates.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. Disingenuous Header.

It is a combination of all those things that they believe presents the 'will of the people'.

If Hillary takes the popular vote, that whole context of the article changes. I hope you realize that.

[NEDem]

60. Simply state the the New York Times doesn't matter

They say it's just a small town rag who's reporters are nothing but a bunch of latte sipping elitists.