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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:48 PM
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Obama Now Needs An Uber Duber Patriotic V.P. What Are His Best Choices?
Who are the most patriotic V.P. choices for Obama? He needs someone that bleeds red, white, and blue.



Anthony Zinni?



Jim Webb? (Vietnam vet)



Wesley Clark

Who else?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:50 PM
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1. Would Clark accept the VP spot from Obama and incur the Clintons' wrath?
Zinni should be Secretary of State.

Obama should pick Dodd, or Biden, or Edwards as VP.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:51 PM
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Never.he doesn't deserve them.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:55 PM
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14. Keeping hate alive, I see.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:57 PM
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17. WTF????
Care to explain, or do you prefer to just hate?
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:06 PM
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31. Just let it go back under its bridge. (nt)
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:22 PM
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40. LOL
thank you for reminding me. I forget sometimes.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:09 AM
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70. McCain's HQ awaits your joyous volunteerism.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:58 PM
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19. Any future cabinet will be interesting to see
I've had a theory, and I have no clue how well it holds up, about presidential appointees to the various cabinet positions. The gist of it is that a president has a general idea which part of the government they intend to get the most use out of over their term, and they tend to put their most charismatic (or forceful, or well-spoken, or some other thing that plays well for the cameras) person in that position to raise its profile.

During Clinton's last term, for instance, Albright was pretty well-regarded at least in my neck of the woods and some other places, and a good chunk of his presidency was built around diplomacy of either the carrot or stick variety. Bush's guys tend to be mixed successes at best in front of the cameras (Fleischer handling the press? LOL!), but Rumsfeld was probably better with the press in general than any of the other available options at the time. Even I occasionally had trouble seperating my take on Rumsfeld's demeanor and his, well, general Rumsfeldness as displayed in policy. And we all know well enough which department of the US government Bush has used primarily...

I don't know. It's kind of quarter-baked, and my personal awareness of US politics only really started to develop in the earlier Clinton years, so I can't extrapolate it before that very easily. It leaves me wondering who the next president, be it Obama, Clinton or (God forbid) McCain, will put where and for what reason, though.

Anyone else noticed anything along those lines?
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:59 PM
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20. He would...
...he's first and foremost a patriot, Democrat, and pragmatist. If Obama would have him, he'd serve, and serve well.

Duke
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:06 PM
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32. More likely... Would Clark serve him.? He might not...He's a loyal person.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 PM
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43. Clark's loyalty is to nation and the Constitution
If Wes were to become Obama's VP, he will faithfully serve the nation as he did when he uniform. He won't be playing disloyal games despite his friendship with the Clintons.

Some people are just not small minded at all!
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:00 PM
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21. Actually, Yes
Clark would take it to bolster the ticket--he's a team player. Plus, it would give Clinton an ally in the White House (and Senate).
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 PM
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29. Clinton supporters like Clark also. It would help to unify the party.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 PM by malik flavors
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:28 PM
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45. not Edwards
two people with limited experience on one ticket is not a good idea
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:26 PM
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82. He can't pick any of them as VP
All three of them voted for the IWR (Edwards was a co-sponsor). Picking any of them would severely diminish his anti-Iraq war stance.

I want him to pick Bob Graham or Gary Hart.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:07 PM
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83. They all repented of the IWR, and Biden and Dodd voted against Kyl-Lieberman
which shows they learned their lesson of ever giving Bush the authority to do anything, unlike Hillary.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:51 PM
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2. Edwards
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:52 PM
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5. Edwards is too good for Obama. Sorry.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 PM
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10. WTF does that mean?
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:54 PM
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12. OOPS I should have said "ignored". Sorry.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:10 AM
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71. Edwards is a good man. So is Obama.
Both are Democrats, as it happens.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:51 PM
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3. I really like Jim Webb
Vietnam Vet. Big mouth. Neutralizes McCain.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:52 PM
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8. Same here - but then what would happen to his VA Senate seat?
That was such a damn good win for the Dems!
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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25. Easy. Tim Kaine would choose some Democrat to replace him.
Webb is certainly available.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:51 PM
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4. I think Richardson would be the best choice to provide party unity
An obvious Clinton guy, tons of foreign policy experience, and his Latino roots would help bring that pro-Hillary voting block over to him for the GE.

Good on energy policy too.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:56 PM
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16. I so wish America was ready tobe Race blind
because I love Richardson.

But that would be two minority men.

Now for all these years we have had two White males but is America ready for the reverse?

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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:57 PM
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18. Probably not.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 PM
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77. A good choice.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:52 PM
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6. Is Captain America a Democrat?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:14 AM
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65. They killed off Captain America -- he was assassinated by a lone gunman
Does that answer your question?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:52 PM
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7. Bob Graham
ANd I would not be suprised if close to the convention that you hear a repblican name like Lugar or Cohen mentioned. It won't happen though.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 PM
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9. Russ Feingold. or Chris Dodd.
Both people who clearly understand the Constitution of the United States of America.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:16 AM
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66. I LOVE Feingold.....
but sadly I fear he's too liberal to pull in some of the votes Obama will need in the GE. Man, do I wish he'd been one of our choices this election!
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 PM
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11. Any of the other pres hopefuls.
There are many more choices, but those are a good start. Richardson may be good.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:54 PM
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13. Yea, Edwards would get those blue collar workers probably.
But he and John Kerry didn't even carry North Carolina, so you have to wonder how effective Edwards really is.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:55 PM
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15. "Uber duber patriotic" eh?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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22. What if McCain picks a woman? nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 PM
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75. Condi Rice? Please gods make him pick that incompetent warmonger!
:rofl:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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23. Sgt Slaughter
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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24. Tom Paine! but he'll be swiftboated
he has strange ideas about religion. Jefferson! Oh wait...he had those affairs (not to mention that Hemmings matter). What about FDR? Oh yeah. Those affairs again. And that wife is....not telegenic enough. A turn off to women voters.

Jeez. If we shopped for chickens the way we pick national candidates, we'd starve to death.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:02 PM
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26. Me thinks you are slightly premature, child.
NT
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:03 PM
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27. I've just had 3 beers and I was thinking about
a Holiday in Express tonight so I would like to through my hat into the ring, wring? Put me in coach. Raebrek for VP.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:03 PM
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28. Wesley Clark! Now you're cooking! He could unite this party and win the GE!
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:06 PM
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30. Good time to ask, do any likely VPs campaign for him?

Or have vigorously endorsed him?
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:07 PM
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33. Wes Clark
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:09 PM
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34. Wesley Clark endorsed Hillary! LOL
But his mentor Lieberman is free. Sorry.......couldn't resist that!
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:11 PM
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35. I'm always surprised at how many people think Wes Clark wld run w/ BO
Wes has been w/ Hillary Clinton's campaign since day one, he's deeply in her campaign.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:28 PM
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44. If Hillary would possibly be open to a V.P. spot, I'm sure Wes Clark would be also
I don't see why it matters that he supports Hillary. Once her campaign is over he's a free agent.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:29 PM
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46. But Clark is a patriot that will follow the Constitution
and that will trump anything else. Clark's friendship with the Clintons is incidental to his response to being called to serve America at a time of great need.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM
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54. I'm amazed at all the 2004 Clarkies who went with Obama instead of following Wes
An Obama-Clark ticket would be like a family reunion in that respect....
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 AM
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74. I noticed that too....
And I think it speaks loads of the message Wes Clark sent his supporters AND the ideals we agreed with that we remain as stanch supporters of Gen. Clark even if we disagree with his support for Sen. Clinton.

I know his endorsement made me take a second look at her. Though in the end, the same reasons I couldn't support her in the beginning still stood.

Wes Clark is a supporter of the Clintons. First and foremost, he's a supporter of the United States, the Constitution, and the ideals this country was founded on. I believe if asked, he would serve. Sen. Obama could do worse than picking Gen. Clark as a running mate - and would be hard pressed to do better.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
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36. Nice try. He needs less BS than this, for sure.
Getting thick around here.

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:15 PM
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37. Cynthia McKinney. nt
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 AM
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60. Yeah, that's the ticket
to a 48 state loss. Nothing gets voters on our side like a crazy, anti-semitic black woman!
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:19 AM
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67. "yeah right -- a crazy black woman!"
I should alert on this post but why bother?

It won't get deleted for simultaneously racializing and miosogynizing your
putatively legitimate objections to Cynthia McKinney.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:22 PM
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38. Kucincich!!!!
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:22 PM
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39. Gen. Clark or Sen. Webb would either one be an excellent pick!
I genuinely admire Gen. Clark as a true public servant, so he would be my 1st choice.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:24 PM
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41. Boxer if its not Clinton
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:25 PM by Tribetime
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:01 AM
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58. Oh, I would be very on board for an Obama/Boxer ticket!
Although I'd hate to lose our Senator!!!
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 PM
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42. Of the ones you listed, I would pick Jim Webb.
Mostly because he is a bad mofo in debates, and would fucking own anyone he was up against.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:29 PM
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47. How about an uber duber patriot who can Rex Kwon Do!
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:31 PM
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48. What about Admiral Fallon??
Now that he is no longer head of Cent Com.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:32 PM
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51. Eric Shinseki would be a good choice
Army beats Navy! :-)
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:33 PM
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52. Have to check, but isn't there a mandatory delay after active duty?

It's been mentioned about Clark, I believe.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:15 PM
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56. There's a mandatory delay before a military man can become Secretary of Defense.
But that delay doesn't apply to the vice presidency, the requirements for which are set by the Constitution, not by Congress.

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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:19 PM
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57. Thanks.
:hi:
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:10 PM
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55. Hmm, hadn't thought of that one. Has he endorsed anybody yet?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:11 PM by malik flavors
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Thurston Howell III Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:31 PM
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49. Nobody cares. You can a huge mistake but it's very hard to pick up support
due to the VP choice. People vote for President not necessaily the combination.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:32 PM
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50. Sebelius
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damndude Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:04 PM
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53. russ feingold
patriot does not have to mean millitary background
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LuvMyPorsche Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:03 AM
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59. farakhan comes to mind n/t
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:08 AM
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62. Thanks Mr. 65 posts
I LuvMyIgnore
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:23 PM
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79. Farrakhan and RevMoon have supported GOPs for so long I doubt they'd sincerely side
with Obama or Dems on anything.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:08 AM
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61. I think he should pic whatever vp hewants and not be pushed around.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:13 AM
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63. I like the idea of Biden
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:33 AM
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64. I'd say Bill Bradley, but he's never killed a man with his bare hands.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 02:34 AM by foo_bar
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:20 AM
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68. Kerry did, and it got him no credit from self-loathing Dems.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:11 AM
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72. His not killing a man with his bare hands is one of the things I LIKE about
Bill Bradley!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:09 AM
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69. He has a long list of good choices on all criteria.
The military angle is important but not the only consideration.

I think he's defied expectations to date and may continue to do so.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:13 AM
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73. Sam the Eagle
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:19 PM
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76. Sam Nunn. Some say he may be a bit old. But GA would go blue.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:21 PM
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78. ...
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:24 PM
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80. Webb is the only one
who has ever won an election.

But he is very conservative.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:24 PM
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81. No to Zinni and Webb...Clark is too anti-Obama
It's funny how people say there's too much friction between Clinton and Obama for them to run together...and Wes Clark stands right by her on everything. Forget Clark.

Kathleen Sebelius
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:34 PM
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84. Sebelius is too 'Ferraro '84' for me.
Obama needs to shore up his cred with the VP pick IMO. Although you may be right in that, after this nomination battle, Obama could be so damaged with women voters that he almost HAS to have a woman on the ticket. I'd like to think that won't happen, though.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:35 PM
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85. Jim Webb -- Patriotic, military and economically liberal populist
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86. I still very much like Biden...
I wonder if he's on the Obama short-list.
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