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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:39 PM
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How would Jesus run?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM by casus belli
Let me preface this by saying that I am really not trying to be controversial. I have just had an opportunity the last couple months to really become disgusted with how elections have devolved in to a blood sport in this country.

I won't muddy this point with any specific condemnations or any endorsements of one candidate over another. I think this is more a statement about what the PROCESS has become. I'm wondering how much further the election process can devolve, before it literally destroys anyone who dares get involved.

American History is full of examples of politicians who were good human beings and great leaders. But, like all human beings, their lives weren't perfect. They weren't pristine. Not one of them, no matter how strong a leader, was flawless. Our history books are full of all the imperfections of each politicians predecessor. It is, after all, hard to live a life without making mistakes.

So that begs the question. Who could we hold up as the perfect politician? Who could possibly run that doesn't have something in their history, some experience to be learned from, some incident they vowed to never repeat, some mistake they drew valuable lessons from? Have our expectations of perfection become so unrealistic that we cancel out potentially brilliant leaders for the sake of proving their frailty as humans. Have we set the bar so high as to be virtually unattainable by anyone who has lived?

If Jesus were alive today (and I merely use him as an example not any particular endorsement or condemnation of a belief or religion), could he pass the test? Is there anyone alive today, or who has ever lived, that could measure up to our expectations of character and judgment in a political candidate? Or have we merely allowed our political system to become the equivalent of a sporting event - where the person with the least flaws (real or supposed) wins?

Some days I wish our society as a whole examined themselves the way they examine candidates for office. If the scrutiny were set so high during self-examination, we'd probably be much better off as a nation - as a world. Or maybe, this rush to prove the imperfections of those who run to represent our interests is merely a way to avoid looking at our own.

Flame on...and have a great weekend everyone.

edit: Spellcheck missed some stuff
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM
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Well, I assume he would not have voted for the IWR so he may be running as an anti-war candidate
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM
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1. Away from DU
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM by JoFerret
asap.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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12. Why?
DU seems to LOVE Jesus so much. :sarcasm:
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:43 PM
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2. Well...
(a) (unwanted hat-tip to Huckabee), Jesus wouldn't be dumb enough to run for political office-
(b) When your God's son, any political office is a step down
(c) Jesus threatened the stability of the political and power structure at the time...exactly the WRONG person to have His hands on the reigns, and one who would be stopped before he even got near them...even if you had to use nails and some dead tree parts... :(

duke
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 PM
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3. Who would Jesus Ruin?? Thinking about some of the tactics
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 PM by 4MoronicYears
employed by certain candidates of late.... you are spot on, "What the process has become", here's to your valid point and timely expression of dissatisfaction with what is going on. With what is going on in Iraq, our economy, foreclosures, healthcare and the like, the bloodletting needs to go out with the tide.

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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 PM
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4. LOL, touche! :) n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:45 PM
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5. He'd win Iowa but lose New Hampshire.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:51 PM
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8. I see what you did there.
;)

I'm wondering if Jesus' supporters would have been condemned as "Jesites", or "Jesutons". That's not Kool Aid they're drinking folks.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:46 PM
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6. A pacifist could not be elected President.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:46 PM
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7. Jesus would be a socialist
He spoke out against corruption within the Temple

He supported the downtrodden...he actually cared for people who had leprosy and for prostitutes. Can you imagine Pat Robertson and John Hagee actually touching someone who had AIDS? I don't think so.

He believed that all should share in the wealth.

He certainly would not be a Democrat (at least not a post FDR Dem) and most definitely would not be a Republican at any time in that wretched party's history.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM
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13. His "guilt-by-association ratio" would be off the charts n/t
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:52 PM
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9. WHY would Jesus run?
Seriously, take a look at Gore. Once he got out of the game, he realized that there is more power to be wielded, more change to create, more differences to be made by staying *out* of the political game, and spend the game energy on actual goals instead.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:57 PM
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10. You have a point...
but if we cease to care who we elect, how does that change happen? I'm not sure how change could happen unless we have advocates for it in positions of power. I think THAT is the crux of what I'm getting at. Isn't it better to judge a candidate on how you feel they would lead, rather than seeing how much they can take before they break. I'm not sure we would want the politician with no flaws. They would either not have lived a normal life, or they would be very VERY good at hiding things from scrutiny.

In any case, I'm certain that if the American people stopped caring, corporations would be more than happy to fill in the blanks. This National Election brought to you by Calgon.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:59 PM
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11. Very Fast and Very Far
and would leave no forwarding address
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM
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14. But would he be back????
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:16 AM
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15. Good post, pertinent questions.
Just my take, but I think of Jesus primarily as a political revolutionary, reinforced iinternally by spiritual intelligence. Small 's' on "spiritual."

The more he became public and confrontational, the more notice the local Roman authorities paid, and the less likely his survival became.

If he existed (I have no proof on hand), my guess is he was far more interesting in private conversation or in small groups than he was as a political figure understandably rising against tyranny and cruelty.

If the test was public, he would pass it on points but not in the practical realm of first century Palestine. Clear vision and collective action often lgot itinerant spiritual figures nailed onto boards.


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:55 PM
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19. Can I just be #1 in your Fan Club? The points you make are so concise, yet so pointed and in
such wonderful prose, they sometimes take my breath away.

That last sentence is, as we speak, being printed and tacked onto my "favorite quote" board over my desk. Excellent and thought-provoking.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:57 PM
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21. Get in Line. ;) n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:05 PM
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25. Pfft ! Don't make me come over there ! :-)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:08 PM
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29. Hi, K Gardner. Thanks, but there's a series of roving posses on DU
out to put my head on a platter.

Also, I can't really type worth a damn.

Who knows what jibberish I spew out of this old computer on a daily basis?

You hang in there. It's strange and oily out there right now, but by November, we'll reunite as a party and send John McCain packing.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:56 PM
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20. I'm not really sure he would pass the public test
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 01:56 PM by casus belli
I mean, sure there are some who would understand the message, but I think if he were running today questions would be raised about how he hung around with undesirable characters. News reports would probably surface about his associations, past and present and question his motives. People would make arguments questioning his character, maybe even questioning how out of touch "God" must be to provide such a weak candidate.

He would be crucified again today, but it wouldn't be with nails and boards. Well maybe boards, but not the kind made out of wood. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:09 PM
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30. "...but not the kind made out of wood."
Yes.

Yes.

Yes.


:thumbsup: :hi:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:18 AM
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16. And what would Obama do?
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:50 PM
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18. I'm afraid you may be missing the point entirely. n/t
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:19 AM
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17. he would run a 50-state campaign not a pick and choose what state "counts" campaign
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:20 AM by book_worm
because Jesus believes that everybody and everything counts. (in the secular race that Obama and Clinton are running it's the states that don't count that do count and have lots of delegates and H decided didn't count that are counting big time for Obama).
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:57 PM
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22. If Jesus were alive today, he would be a Palestinian
opposed to Israel's occupation and to the new Roman empire.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 PM
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27. I've often wondered about this. Tend to agree.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:00 PM
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23. If Jesus did run, it would certainly be without the support of the DLC.
"Too Liberal!!"
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:12 PM
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31. I don't think corporate sponsors would be rushing to get behind him either. n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:02 PM
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24. Jesus would run by bringing a crowd of armed followers to the Capitol
and throwing out all of the lobbyists.

People forget that "messiah" means "armed revolutionary political leader". Think Che more than Mohandas.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 PM
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26. Jesus statement "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Media, "Jesus admits guilt"
There's a great story in the Bible where Jesus encounters a crowd who are about to stone a woman to death. The Scribes and Pharasees who were always trying to trick JC into saying something controversial asked him whether the woman should be stoned as the law of the time demanded.

Jesus looked around, stalled for time and then said. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

The crowd melted away. Jesus then said to the woman. "They could not condemn you and neither will I condemn you. Go and sin no more."

No doubt this would be taken by the media today as an admission of guilt.

"Jesus admits committing adultury"

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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:13 PM
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32. Brilliant response!
And very good example. I completely agree with you.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:07 PM
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28. This is turning into a really great thread, started by a very thoughtful OP. Let's REC it up :-)
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