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trynotto_giveuphope Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:31 PM
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What If This Wright Thing Doesn't Go Away?
What if this Rev. Wright thing doesn't go away?

And what if Obama still wins the pledged delegate count and the popular vote?

And what if Hillary wins a landslide in Pennsylvania and enough in a Florida re-do and the other remaining states that she makes it very close?

And what if neither one concedes before the convention?

Who should get the nomination?

Barack Obama, who will surely lose the support of many Hillary backers just nine and a half weeks before Election Day?

Or Hillary Clinton, who will surely lose the support of many Obama backers just nine and a half weeks before Election Day?

Or Al Gore?

If this thing keeps going on the way it has been since the last debate, then I think *both* candidates will be sufficiently tainted so that neither will be able to unite our party and win. But some neutral force may be able to do just that. And Al Gore seems the most likely candidate for that right now.

I ask both Hillary and Barack supporters: would you support an Al Gore nomination if it came to that?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:33 PM
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1. What if the super delegates force Hillary to quit by moving to Obama enmass
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:33 PM by DJ13
What ifs are fun, we should play again at another time.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:34 PM
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2. The Wright issue will not go away. The question should be how many Dem and Ind votes will it lose
for BO if he is the Dem candidate?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:37 PM
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3. WHAT IF John Edward's delegates suddenly shifted to Obama?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:37 PM by C_U_L8R
oh wait... they just did
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:37 PM
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4. Then we fight it...
with the truth. Are you ready?
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trynotto_giveuphope Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:29 PM
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30. Yes, but I Don't Another 1968
If this goes to the convention, there won't be enough time for either candidate to reverse the damage done, regardless who the nominee is.

Go Barack. I think he can fight this. This is assuredly going to be the most inflammatory mud that can be slung at him. If he survives it, he'll win the nomination. But if not...what happens?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:40 PM
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5. I don't see how the REPUGS could let Wrights comments not be thrown in face of every voter
between Dem Convention and November Election. They have ALL HIS TAPES...including the "humping the Lecturn" where he mimics Bill Clinton doing "Dirty" to Monica.

It's all recorded and out there. It will bring Hillary Down.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:46 PM
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11. How will tapes of Wright "humping the lecturn" bring Hillary down?
:shrug:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM
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14. you forgot the sarcasm thingy.....LOL
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:09 PM
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26. How will it bring Hillary down?
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:41 PM
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6. Hey, Ive noticed at least a few come to Obama's defense
that back Hillary. And Ive seen a handful as well come to Hillary's defense. More so than I have even.
I know that for me, issues like food, economy, gas,my house, and war are all I care about right now.
I adore Al Gore. I really wanted Kucinich and then Edwards. But I made my mind up a good long time ago that I would back up the nominee. And I will.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 PM
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7. Nope. Al is cool but it's Barack's time...
No other will do.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 PM
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8. I don't see how it could go on..not his words
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:43 PM
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9. Hillary lost the nomination, even with FL and MI she loses to Obama!
Total -

Obama 1626

Hillary 1494

Super Delegates - 795

Obama 213

Hillary 248

Pledged Delegates - 2687

Obama 1413

Hillary 1246

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...

Popular Vote Total -

Obama 13,281,132 49.5%

Hillary 12,577,409 46.9%

Spread Obama +703,723 +2.6%

Popular Vote (w/FL) -

Obama 13,857,346 48.5%

Hillary 13,448,395 47.1%

Spread Obama +408,951 +1.4%

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* -

Obama 13,857,346 47.5%

Hillary 13,776,704 47.3%

Spread Obama +80,642 +0.2%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:43 PM
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10. What if.....

Okay, folks. Its truth time.


.... Jeremiah Wright is right.

This country was founded by landowning (read: affluent) men of European descent for landowning men of European descent. I love Thomas Jefferson. He was a brilliant political philosopher. But when he wrote All men are created equal he didnt mean it the way I take it. He wasnt talking about the rights of all men. He certainly wasnt talking about the rights of women. The man owned slaves.

This country was built on the backs of African slaves on land that was robbed in the slaughter of Native Americans. Im sorry if this offends your bourgeois sensibilities as it isnt the totally awesome, God-fearing, flag-waving, USA #1!!!1 narrative that we teach to school kids, but it is historical fact.

America is a work in progress. It took people like Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglas to read deeper into the philosophies that birthed this nation. They realized that the rich, white men so many of us proudly call our Founding Fathers had only scratched the surface. And so they joined what would become a larger tradition: the fine American tradition of dissent. One hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation this country was still segregated. Restaurants, buses, schools, drinking fountains and bathrooms. Again, it took leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. to see that separate, but equal was a ruse and that it represented a reading of these ideas that sold them short entirely. And some of these people were told they were too bombastic, too loud and too angry. It took leaders like Bobby Kennedy to see that their anger was well justified and long overdue.

Weve come a long way since 1776. In many ways, America still represents some of the best hopes of this dream of human liberty. But we are not perfect. We have not yet arrived at our destination. And this country is still largely controlled by rich, white men. You can say, if you wish, that Jeremiah Wright is too loud and too angry, but you cannot say that he is wrong. Ive been astounded by all of the people on this so-called progressive forum that seem to be held aghast at these ideas. I thought that progressives knew that the Iraq War was predicated on lies. I thought that progressives knew that unilateral support for Israeli policies with respect for Palestine was a source of difficulties in our nations relationships in the Middle East at large. I thought that progressives knew that 9/11 didnt happen because they hate us for our freedom, but because of a complex history of these relationships that go back at least 50 years if not back through the better part of the 20th century. I thought progressives knew that entering the halls of power isnt easy if youre not a white man.

Let me be clear on this: This is only a problem for Barack Obama in that there are still a lot of pinheads around that dont understand that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. And hell distance himself from it because he has to and because Wrights style isnt his. Its not how Obama rolls. But theres nothing untrue about Wrights statements in and of themselves.

This is a picture that I like to look at every so often to remind myself of these realities. Its a picture of nine white men beaming over Bush as he signs the partial birth abortion ban. Its ten white men presiding over the rights of women. There isnt one woman present here. This is the reality of power in America today. You can squawk all you want about how everything is fair, but that isnt the way it shakes out, now is it?

If America wants to insist on maintaining the status quo so that we can make sure that rich, white men can keep taking advantage, then I say damn America, too. If America wants to insist that no wrong can be done underneath Old Glory, then I say damn America. If America wants to insist that nothing our nation does in the world community will ever come back on us, then I say damn America, but I dont have to because shes already damned herself. The power of the ideas that founded this country was not in the men who codified them. The power lies in the way that they ring to true to all who encounter them, encouraging them to be spread ever wider, ever deeper. It is the touchstone of human nature that we desire to be free. It is this spark that becomes a fire when we realize that we are all locked into this struggle together.

The struggle is not over and maybe it never will be, but dont get confused about Jeremiah Wright. His only crime is being abrasive, but the people who find him most abrasive are the people who have are invented in denying the truth that he speaks.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/15/7702 /

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:55 PM
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23. This is a truth that is known but I hope that we will not be afraid to
actually admit it out loud. Hopefully they are not still teaching history in schools the way they did when I was in high school. Why, don't you know that the Indians came to dinner and the slaves were all well cared for? :sarcasm:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:48 PM
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12. What if God and Superman got into a fight?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:52 PM
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17. Remember when Superman and Muhammad Ali had a boxing match?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:52 PM
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18. What do you think?


:7
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:55 PM
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22. What if Homer (the Greek epic poet, not Homer Simpson) and Jessie Jackson had a poetry slam?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:53 PM
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20. Cartman would make money off it
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:49 PM
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13. Then, honestly, our country deserves McCain.
For that is surely what our country shall receive.

This is our test. Either we use our heads and take this step towards healing our racial divide, or we suffer the consequences.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:51 PM
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15. Do you think if somebody posts a new Wright thread every hour that the controversy can be kept alive
Some people clearly hope so.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:54 PM
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21. They think it's the only chance they have.
Meanwhile, the news cycle marches on, because there's no new "Wright news".
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:57 PM
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24. Something about the Wright to a Free Press ... all we print is news that Wright.
Hell, I can't even think of something clever to say about it.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:51 PM
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16. Well, the mostly likely thing to happen would be president
McCain.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:53 PM
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19. Uh, the numbers have already spoken.
No way can Hillary "make this close" enough to leave any doubt.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:07 PM
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25. Then MCain will win
NO WAY will barack become President. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:22 PM
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28. Obama can win. He has a much better chance than Hillary.
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trynotto_giveuphope Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:27 PM
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29. I Hope So. But They're Really Trying To Turn Him Into...
..."The Black Candidate". And doing an unfortunately good job of it, at least in the MSM. And the Republicans will do the same. I'm voting for Barack, regardless. I'm just afraid that if Hillary is able to continue her horrible campaign beyond the primaries and onto the convention, then they both will be toast.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:11 PM
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27. catching one at 13 posts is like stepping on a little baby roach
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:30 PM
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31. What if the death of Vincent Foster isn't solved
This concerns me.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:58 PM
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32. It did not seem to bother the delegates much in Iowa today...
:) :) :)

Where he gained an additional 7 on Hillary.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:09 PM
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33. I love Gore. But it will never happen. And this Wright thing is right wing hogwash.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:13 PM by bluerum
The issues are:

1. An illegally declared war - only congress can declare war. What if the next president declares (illegally) war on Iran.
2. A shattered economy.
3. Restoring balance and executive oversight to congress and the senate.

If the RW wants to focus on a preachers rousing condemnation of unfairness toward black people in the US of A, then that is their prerogative - but Obama will dice them like celery for a salad. In the process the dems should easily be able to capture a veto proof majority in the congress and the senate.

So let it go.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:10 PM
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34. Nothing ever goes away.
Wingnuts are still talking about Monica Lewinsky and the other Clinton b.s. They still bring up Chappaquiddick. Shit, half the South hasn't gotten over the Civil War!
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:17 PM
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35. No shit. I just heard NPR giving air to some RW hack congressman blaming
Bill Clinton for the current state of the military.

Why does NPR insist on letting these fools get away with spouting this nonsense. The commentator did not even have the brains, balls or inclination to call him on it.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 AM
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36. Al Gore. It's beginning to look possible. nt
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:19 AM
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37. I'd support any Democrat including Gore
I just think that Hillary has a better chance of winning is all.
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