The white entitlement, the smug judgmental crap, and the racism

[cali]

on display here are sickening. People comparing Wright to the KKK and agreeing that Obama should resign from the Senate. People calling Wright a racist and insinuating that Obama is one. Disgusting shit. It's perfect for Free Republic or even Stormfront. It sucks to see it here. I hope it's merely temporary partisan insanity and not what those posters really believe.

[Mike03]

1. Thank you, and Rec.

I totally agree with you that I think many of us are posting things that we don't honestly, deep-down, believe.

[superduperfarleft]

5. I disagree that they don't believe it.

I think many of these people do believe it, and have always believed it, it's just now acceptable for white liberals to voice it in a more direct manner as opposed to the condescending way they usually do it.

I'm by no means an Obama supporter, but I predicted from the beginning of this primary that the subtle bigotry that lurks below the surface of your average white liberal (not the overt bigotry of the right) is going to bubble to the surface if Obama's campaign is successful.

[Mike03]

Maybe you are right. I would never presume to prejudge something like this

All I can say is that by anecdotal evidence, whites that I know are fantastically, euphorically for Obama. I would almost call it desperation.

[anonymeme]

70. Since the 15th Amendment Rid the 3/5 Law, No Laws Nor Acts Have Given Whites "Entitlements."

Since the 15th Amendment Rid the 3/5 Law, No Laws Nor Acts Have Given Whites "Entitlements."

The 15th Amendment Codified Equality into our Law. But people take awhile to catch up and catch on.

So, the Civil Right Act of 1964 moved us further in the right direction, the direction of integration and EQUALITY.

But some people were still slow getting it.

So then came affirmative action which sought to complete the leveling of the playing field... and it started out as a good thing but after years of it it began to become a tyranny in and of itself.

Affirmative action is/was considered to be an entitlement, and certainly there were and are people who have used it as an entitlement, with all the other entitlement programs that were set up for poor people of minority status - mainly black.

But never have there been any entitlements for whites written into the law, so what's this "white entitlement," of which the original poster speaks?

Please, don't confuse your envy for anyone else being entitled.

[Saturday]

2. Obama supporters should talk. Where were you when

Hillary was called every name in the book?

[cali]

hahahaha. I defended Hillary so often

that I was called a hillbot on quite a few occasions. Now maybe YOU should step up to the plate.

[Saturday]

20. Sorry, I'll be there if and when I can agree with you but not on this one.

I think Wright is practicing reverse racism.

ETA - Oh, and by the way, as a Hillary supporter I said somewhere on here today that I felt no joy in the fact that Newsmax has announced it has proof Obama had been in church when Wright did one of his far out sermons. It was a true feeling too.

[boppers]

28. Please tell me the difference between ....

Black Liberation Theology and "reverse racism", because you're pretty darned close to calling MLK a racist, and declaring that South Africa should still be under apartheid.

[anonymeme]

80. Black Liberation Theology Is 2 Separate Theologies & NOT the Same as Preaching "God Damn AmeriKKKa!"

Black Liberation Theology Is 2 Separate Theologies & NOT the Same as Preaching "God Damn AmeriKKKa!"

There is Liberation Theology and Black Theology, and you can try to merge them if you want, but you need to define what you mean.

And saying that someone who disagrees with Wright or Obama or who feels that Wright has indulged in Hate Speech -- which he has -- is racist or is "pretty darned close to calling MLK a racist" or worse close to "declaring that South Africa should still be under apartheid, " is absurd!

MLK, who actually knew what was going on, spoke of all people's children playing together and being free. That's part of Liberation Theology.

Wright casts all whites as the Devil -- there's a big difference there, huge in fact.

And the idea that speaking up and speaking out by saying that Wright is a racist -- which he IS -- is the same as calling for apartheid -- is asinine and hyperbolic to the nth degree!

[Auntie Bush]

74. LOL ...I must have amnesia! I really don't remember anyone thinking you were a Hillbot.

Possibly maybe .ooo1% of your posts. I can vouch I vaguely remember you said something nice about Hillary at least once.

[Bluerthanblue]

3. I agree. Completely. K&R

peace~

[LisaL]

4. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Who is comparing whom to KKK?

[KoKo]

6. WTF? Who the Hell Here on DU is part of "White Entitlement!"

What are you gassing outta your ass to post shit like this?

[cali]

13. Plenty of people are voicing just that

perhaps the shoe fits you? Why are you so upset?

[KoKo]

31. I think you are not READING...but getting some renumeration for what you say...

INCREDIBLE!

[theredpen]

51. Those who hold this attitude seem unaware of it

This sense of entitlement is so normal and mainstream that one can't see it on oneself.

That's how these things persist in a population of well-meaning people.

[sniffa]

7. K&R for little green footballs

[billbuckhead]

8. Rich white people love affirmative action, minority set-asides, political correctness

It's the white working class who pay for all these things with less opportunity for them and their families. The reality is that Hillary's opponent's chickens are coming home to roost, his campaign started all this race baiting.

[cali]

17. Perfect. Thank you for that illustration.

Of course, it's the black community who's benefitted in America and the whites who have been so down trodden. And Hilly's lovely campaign was the one attempting to take Obama out by framing him as a fringe minority candidate. In other words, dear, they did the race baiting.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Ahh....

Another for the ignore list. Yours is probably one of the most blatantly RW-manifested garbage statements that I have ever seen on this board. Ciao!

[Forkboy]

44. One of just many from good ole Bill.

He's a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

[KoKo]

54. It goes with living in that part of Atlanta for so long......

[OhioBlue]

26. Your post makes it sound as if

You think someone should have more opportunity because they are white working class than someone who is black.

You should reflect on that.

While you're at it, why don't you read about Institutionalized racism, White Flight, Red Lining, and separate but not equal to start with.

[bobthedrummer]

9. "Truth Time: Wright Is Right" posted on TPM Cafe by DF 3-15-2008 (via CommonDreams)

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/15/7702/

[bobthedrummer]

18. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."

link to a must read active GD discussion about the powerful political machine inside the Democratic Party that was founded and funded by the RW decades ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[KoKo]

56. "Eaten inside by WORMS" is what I see the whole thing as......

How can anyone else explain this "misbegotten" Campaign year by our "hapless Dems." They always need SO MUCH HELP but when they get it...they just "CAN'T SEEM TO DEAL?"

[bobthedrummer]

64. The truth lies dead in the street-and I'm past anger and frustration

so far beyond that now that I even posted in a thread by cali, who probably has me on ignore anyway.

[FrenchieCat]

42. Thanks!

The comments must have been written by those similar DUers (the way that we remember them)who used to be here in the majority; before immigration from Freeper land to DU became neccessary.

[bobthedrummer]

62. Hey FrenchieCat, isn't it much better to be on the same side of an issue

then when you and I and others were fighting about campaigns back in 2004?

This place has always been an information warfare battleground, it's a good thing to be on the same side today.

[cbayer]

10. There was a post here today comparing Clinton supporters to the KKK.

Shit is flying in both directions.

I agree with you on one point, though. I also hope it is merely temporary partisan insanity.

[KoKo]

58. That was from DU Poster "Cali" who compared to KKK.......

Maybe she really sees it that way..or maybe not. Who knows on Internet Boards..the truth of anything.

[cbayer]

60. Actually the one I am referring to was by another poster.

Used the term Krazy Klinton Krew in the OP, then defended it repeatedly.

What has happened to us?

[cali]

63. Excuse me?

I did not start a thread doing that, or post that. Stop pulling shit out of your ass and thinking it's a fact when it's just your turds.

[bicentennial_baby]

67. Watch out!!

[Scurrilous]

11. K & R

[DJ13]

12. This site is overrun with wannabee Republicans

They cheer the same tactics our party has criticised since 2000 because it benefits their Democratic candidate.

[Emit]

14. Completely agree cali n/t

[jlake]

15. Why is it okay to call Clinton supporters racists and KKK members?

As far as I know Obama is not a racist - but Mr. Wright was NOT helping heal the racial divide in his sermons.
They were racially charged (if not racist). It is unacceptable - just as it is when coming from any other race.
And anyone who agrees with Sean Hannity that Obama should resign from the senate is wrong.

[cali]

23. It's not OK to call Clinton supporters racists and KKK members

but some are clearly making racist comments and the sense of white entitlement and the judgmental crap that comes with it, is unacceptable to me.

[alteredstate]

16. I couldn't agree with you more.

eom

[BostonMa]

19. "white entitlement" sounds pretty racist to me

[cali]

27. I can't help it if you're ignorant

white entitlement has been a pervasive part of our history and it still exists in a sadly major way.

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

29. Me too .

[jeffrey_X]

22. Couldn't agree more.

nm

[KoKo]

24. You've ALWAYS been OTT with Rhetoric and Hyperbole...but this on is so OTT

DU posters comparing Reverend Wright to KKK! That smoke coming outta your ass is gonna burn down a Mega Mansion!

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

33. Ha! The Psychotic calling the other "Blind?" Go Stuff it...that you would "call out fellow DU'r!"

What the heck is wrong with you...Answer the question in the OP and the follow ups before you go TRASHING MESSENGERS and spreading vile crap!

[Name removed]

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[oasis]

25. Devil's advocates. IMO. Wright and Farrakhan aren't really that despicable

to a large percentage of DUers. However, it's far to late in the game to give those two an image makeover and present them to the American voter.

Obama won't be able to shake off the negative effect that the anti-American, anti-white perception have brought into his campaign. That in itself, renders him unacceptable as our nominee.

[cali]

32. I have no idea whether he can survive this or not. And neither do YOU

We'll need to see over the next two weeks or so. You're just indulging in wishful thinking. I don't do wishful thinking.

[oasis]

39. My post has nothing to do with "wishful thinking". It explains why DUers

shouldn't be painted with the broad brush of racism just because they raise a red flag about serious problems with Obama's campaign.

[cali]

41. That wasn't what I was talking about. I was clear about that

I agree that this could be a serious problem for Obama, but you can't possibly know how it will sugar off.

[oasis]

50. I've been around long enough to know. The mighty right wing media machine

turned a blow-job into an impeachment of a president. Imagine what that can do with Wright's hate speech against America/whites.

[JAbuchan08]

61. so we should go around reinforcing that right wing media machine

by conceding and attributing more power to it?

That seems to be what is happening here with all the: "a black man with the name Barak Hussein Obama who listened to a preacher who once made some remarks that did not cleve to conservative PC standards can't win in America talk" it enables the right wing through our own fear.

[oasis]

68. Uh hello. What we post here will have no impact on what happens

in the great arena.

[JAbuchan08]

71. What we post may not, but what we THINK will contribute in some part

[oasis]

84. "What we think"??? Sorry, but I'll take a pass on the Kool-Aid.

[boppers]

36. Damning America is not anti-american.

We are the party smart enough to say "Whoa, even according to the bible, our country is horribly broken, and we need to fix it."

I didn't hear anything anti-white in what Wright said, but then again, I feel no sense of entitlement, or superiority, based on my skin pigment, so....

[oasis]

40. I challenge Obama to say exactly that to the American voter. (eom)

[ampad]

79. Why should he

Those words never left his mouth. Let me challenge Hillary to defend her Iraq war vote to a war widow, would that be fair?

[oasis]

86. Changing the subject is so like your "Johhny-One-Note" candidate.

I've seen a lot of that around here since Pastorgate erupted onto the scene.

[Emit]

35. Well, one thing's for sure

I am beginning to learn more about various posters, and, I do have to say that I am surprised, and saddened, by some of the responses.

[Mike03]

37. I've noticed that some some of DU's biggest offenders never respond to these

sorts of challenges. If they believe in their points of view, they should argue them to the best of their ability.

[BlooInBloo]

38. White folks love nothing so much as being able to reinforce each other...

... in calling black folks racist. The point, obviously, is to allow real racism to continue.

[jlake]

43. Your post is racist..... and part of the problem.

[Emit]

48. Why?

Why did you perceive that as racist?

[theredpen]

53. Do not ask the all-knowing jlake why, for only He is privy to such knowledge

You're lucky to be in the same galaxy as jlake, as are we all.

[Little Star]

78. Bingo.

[JAbuchan08]

59. not all white folks

but I see what you are saying.

[Avalux]

45. I hope you're right cali (that it's temporary).

Some of what I've been reading does not represent Democratic/progressive ideals.

[UALRBSofL]

46. I think you may have a few things confused

Wright said KKAmerica, and the government gave us AIDS, and that Clinton, well, I wont say the part about Bill, Hillary, and Lewinski.

[boston bean]

47. I think she may be confused as well.

I have seen him called a vitriolic hate spewer, which he is.

And Barack sat in on those sermons for 20 years.

Throw in Michelle and you got a serious election problem. It is only a matter of time before someone has to break the news to Barack and then he will have to break it to his supporters.

[boppers]

49. One by one:

KKKAmerica: Yup, we still have a racist penal system, judicial system, a lack of representation, and institutionalized poverty and lack of education.

The government gave us AIDS: Remember the 80's, when the government ignored it spreading like wildfire, because only backs and gays had it? There ya go.

Lewd jokes about Clinton's indiscretion? We even have a word for that *here*. (Clenis)

[UALRBSofL]

55. Sounds more to me like Wright is demandind entitlements

due to the oppression in the slavery days as if people in the 21st century are responsible for any thing that is going on today. The fact he calls it KKKAmerica is like saying anyone who is not black are part of a white sheet wearing, lynch mob, and that white america gave aids to blacks and gays. Actually what gave aids to them was unprotected sex. I had friends that died from it.

[GoldieAZ49]

66. so true and my brother

is a junkie not because the government hooked him on drugs, he did that himself, when he was busted for it and for stealing he went to jail - he was a victim of his own actions.

I have an ancestral great grandmother that was on the trail of tears, tragic yes, but the government does not owe me anything because of it.

I could go on, but it isn't going to change anyones mind.

[JAbuchan08]

72. but if she wasn't on the trail of tears,

you would have a great-grandmother who wasn't on the trail of tears. How do you think that would have affected your life? not at all? negatively? perhaps positively?

Yes, we must make our own decisions, but we do not live in a vaccum where our history and ancestory means nothing.

[GoldieAZ49]

75. and choose how we view and use our history

I am very proud of her and courage and commitment

as well as my other ancestors, I proud of them and their courage, I come from good stock, it strengthens me in the minor by comparison problems in life.

[JAbuchan08]

82. but would your life, your situation or your upbringing be different in any measurable way?

That is the question.

I think my life would be fundamentally different if three of four grandparents hadn't been dead before I was born and the fourth dead before I was nine. Do I blame that directly for any setbacks in my life? No, but I recognize that my life would be fundamentally different if I had had that extended family through my early life.

One needn't "blame" negative events in their life for their problems in order to recognize those negative events. I suspect if I hadn't grown up in a trailer park my life would be easier, does that mean I don't take responsibility for my own actions. No, but it does mean that I grew up in a trailer park which is fundamentally different than growing up in a palatial estate.
It is a fact of existence that our experience shapes who we are. It's certainly better not to resent that experience, but it is asking too much to say that we should ignore it.

I can't reject my upbringing, because it has made me who I am, but I don't pretend (again) that the present day exists in a vaccum and that history has no effectl, or that by "choosing" what light to view it in we change the fundamental facts of that history.

[hell-bent]

65. You are more full of crap that a Christmas goose!

Racist judicial system? Yeah, that was well-illustrated by the fucking murderer, OJ Simpson, getting off of that charge. Lewd jokes about Clinton's indiscretion? Do you also find jokes about Jessie Jackson's and MLK's alleged affairs humorous also? The government ignored the AIDS problem? What about our dip shit president spending millions to help with the problem in Africa? Couldn't that be better spent helping some of our citizens that have no money for their prescriptions? Oh, the "White Devil" U.S. government....You guys are paranoid and delusional. Have another sip of the Obama potion.

[Forkboy]

69. That's a hell of a holiday treat.

Who's eating crap filled geese on Christmas anyways?

[goodgd_yall]

76. What I remember about the AIDS conspiracy talk

It was said to be a conspiracy against gay people. Not many people bought that idea. This, I first heard in the 80s. I think Wright is claiming the AIDS virus was produced to kill black people. What does he have to say about gay victims? What is their role in this "conspiracy"?

[cali]

57. I'm fully aware of what Wright said

but that's not what I'm talking about in the OP. And Wright has said far more than this in his long career- some of it quite good. He's flat wrong about AIDS- though I understand that that's a no an uncommon sentiment in the AA community, and I find his remarks about the Clintons distastefly in the extreme.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

52. kicked and recccccccccccccccccc'd

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

73. You reap what you sow

Yes, there's a lot of ugly, ignorant shit flying around here. There is some clueless, embarrassing white entitlement, as you say.

But as to a particular you cite...

Perhaps when a mob makes a six-month project of tarring some of the least racist white people in America as racists, and even as Klansmen, then it is demonstrated that racist and Klansmen are categories with no meaning. When a Geraldine Ferraro post is illustrated with a 1930s Klan rally photo, it suggests that the Klan is about as serious as the Teletubbies.

To then try to restore the power and meaning of those words out of convenience because they are now applied to Wright or even Obama stinks to high heaven.

Calling Barack Obama a racist is, by contemporary DU standards, a meaningless love tap. In recent weeks the term has been applied with spiteful glee to half the white people in the Democratic party, myself included, as an act of rhetorical celebratory street violence.

That is the environment that has been created here.

So it's a little late to reclaim a sense of outrage over the misuse of the term "racist."

[goodgd_yall]

77. Wow... excellent post n/t

[cali]

81. I don't think it's ever too late

and I've been consistent. I have never called the Clintons racists or Ferraro. And I've been clear about that. So there's no hypocrisy in my OP. I've spoken out about the crap from the Obama side of things. And it's pure fake outrage on YOUR part to say that there's been a six month mob concerted effort here to tar some of the least racist people in American as racists. There are assholes on both sides. I've never denied that.

[ampad]

83. Thank you Cali

Most of these people calling foul on Wright are down right hypocrites. Some of them thought Fearro's comments were harmless and how dare you attack Hillary for something someone else said. Now all of a sudden they are offended, geesh give me a fucking break. White entitlement indeed, no different than some thinking Hillary should not be criticized because she is a woman. I don't buy half of the "outrage" on this board for a second.

[rucky]

85. Sweet! This thread is like an ignore list roll-call. n/t

[Moderator]

87. Locking

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