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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:44 PM
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BREAKING: IOWA STATE CONVENTION: OBAMA GAINS 7 NEW DELEGATES, CLINTON LOSES 1, O 52%, C 31%
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 06:46 PM by Dems Will Win


YEE HAH!

Saturday county conventions being worked hard by Obama and Clinton supporters (and some Edwards folks too) as all seek support for final delegate allocation in head-numbing multi-step process.

In evening conference call, Obama camp claims they’ve won 23 of the 45 pledged delegates at stake — a net gain of 7 since caucuses in early January — while Clinton has lost 1 at 14.

Plus: Democrats abroad also pick their delegates Saturday.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/15/184557/967/...

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Twelve automatic delegates bring the state's total to 57. Obama has been endorsed by four of those and Clinton three, with the remainder uncommitted.

Counting Iowa's results Saturday, an Associated Press delegate tally showed Obama with 1,610 delegates and Clinton with 1,496.


Obama won the state's precinct caucuses in January with 39 percent of the vote, with Edwards narrowly edging Clinton to finish second. Projections on caucus night showed Obama getting 16 delegates, compared to 15 for Clinton and 14 for Edwards.

"It means the Obama people are very organized," said Iowa Democratic Chairman Scott Brennan. "They have been working very hard for these conventions."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080315/ap_on_el_pr/democra... ;_ylt=AgfTsvPjR0oJ0gdvw64qOpwE1vAI

Iowa Democratic Party Releases County Convention Results

Des Moines – Today, Democrats in 99 counties held County Conventions, the second stage of the Iowa caucus to convention process.

“Today, Iowa Democrats again turned out in large numbers to reject the failed Bush-McCain campaign and its policies,” said Scott Brennan, Iowa Democratic Party Chair. “We are committed to winning Iowa for our nominee and party building activities like the Caucus and County Conventions help strengthen our counties, precincts and neighborhoods.”

The Iowa Democratic Party also released results from the County Conventions. The following results are from 67 of 99 counties and represent 2,132 of 2,500 State Delegates. Results will be updated periodically on our website www.iowademocrats.org as they are available.

Senator Hillary Clinton: 31.5%

Senator John Edwards: 16%

Senator Barack Obama: 52.1%


http://www.iowademocrats.org /


PLEASE KICK THE FURNITURE IF YOU ARE A CLINTON SUPPORTER AND RECOMMEND IF YOU ARE AN OBAMA SUPPORTER
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:45 PM
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1. Wow, that's even more than expected!!!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:46 PM
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2. Gobama!
K & R :thumbsup:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:47 PM
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3. I seem to remember seeing threads being posted about evil Hillary
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 06:47 PM by dsc
going after Obama's pledged delegates and how horrible and bitchy that was. Now it turns out it is perfectly OK for Obama to do the very same thing.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:58 PM
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10. You might want to read up on what just happened. This is protocol for Iowa
he basically just one all of Edwards delegates.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:03 PM
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15. The article clearly states Hillary lost one
which means he had to poach at least one from her.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:44 PM
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33. Please stop lying...You are spreading disinformation...
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:46 PM by TwoSparkles
I was a delegate at the Iowa County Convention today.

You have absolutely NO PROOF that Obama "poached" Hillary's delegates, as you stated.

Please stop lying. Please stop posting information for which you have no facts to
support your assertions.

There were many Hillary supporters who were very open about their "switching." Furthermore,
Obama garnered additional delegates from some of the Edwards supporters who threw their
support to Obama, when Edwards wasn't viable at many of today's conventions.

As an Obama supporter, it was actually refreshing to sit and talk with Hillary supporters
today and discuss about the issues. I met 4 people in the Obama caucus area who told
me that they caucused for Hillary, were elected Hillary delegates but changed their minds
and decided to stand for Obama today. Three were middle-aged women who said they were troubled
by Hillary's attacks and her "endorsement of McCain" over Obama.

I also ended up sitting with a ton of Hillary supporters toward the end. They were all firmly
in Hillary's camp. Some switched. Some didn't.

Enough of the lies from the Hillary supporters who insist on inventing cynical realities when
they don't get the results they want.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:55 PM
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40. Blame the article, and the Obama supporter who posted it, not me
It clearly, and unambiguously states, that Clinton lost a delegate. And when Clinton had a memo circulated about her that stated she might try to get Obama delegates she was called evil here for doing that. Now, apparently, it is perfectly OK with you when Obama gets Clinton delegates.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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45. No, I'll blame you, because you're lying...
You said this (not anyone else), "The article clearly states Hillary lost one
which means he had to poach at least one from her."

Hillary did lose one. That isn't proof that Obama "poached" the delegate.

You have no proof of that. You are accusing Obama of "poaching" when
many convention delegate participants--including myself--are reporting
that Hillary delegates switched due to her ham-handed, ugly campaign
tactics.

Again, you have no proof of Obama "poaching."



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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:12 PM
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50. fine he accepted stolen property
is that better? Obama supporters made it abundantly clear that it was pure evil to switch as a delegate or to benefit from such a switch. Apparently now that Obama is the beneficiary it is peachy keen.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:27 PM
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54. Stolen property? For God's sake, delegates are not property. They
are free agents selected to represent their fellow voters in either a primary or a caucus and they are free to switch if they want to. Delegates switch at the Conventions all the time based on what is happening at the time. All of us who go to caucus know our delegate has this choice - we select them because we believe they are intelligent enough to make the right decisions. This is not some new move that just came out of the Obama handbook.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:32 PM
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55. that sure isn't what you all said when it was Hillary possibly having
Obama delegates switch. Then it was how dare she even think it?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:40 PM
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57. Those were super delegates they were talking about. Also I was
not a part of that I have been a Gore/Edwards supporter from the beginning and I would still be if I had a choice.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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68. No that most certainly isn't what they were talking about
It was about pledged delegates. Your other point is relevent though.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:03 PM
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109. Slavery was abolished 140+ years ago (people are NOT "property"
Maybe that's why you're not an Obama supporter, you still believe in people being "property"?
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MooseHB Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 AM
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91. Poaching
As a delegate in a county that had yet to report (and with numbers that neither will diminish Obama nor help Clinton in the CD or State totals), I can assure you, and can get the Edwards county preference chair and his wife to verify, that he and I had a conversation before the opening of registration today in which I specifically and explicitly expressed to him that I felt the proper course of action for Edwards delegates was to remain as a viable group if at all possible, and not to join with any other group. Their group did just that, and in realignment to sort the few uncommitted and other delegates that were unviable, the Edwards group in our county had the most success in gaining converts, both in raw numbers and by percentage.

In most instances, it is most likely that Edwards groups at the county level were un viable (under 15%), and when forced by rule to realign or not be counted, in most instances chose Obama, where all viable groups were expected to lobby for these delegates.

In our county, two Clinton supporters publicly switched to Obama <i>of their own accord</i>, one through a LTE (he was seated as an alternate by the Obama delegation).
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:35 AM
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105. Do you have a link to prove that?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:31 AM
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106. some of the more intelligent Hillarites are accepting the reality of the situation
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:32 AM by JackORoses
They are moving to the future nominee.
This has nothing to do with poaching, it has everything to do with winning.
People just have a hard time wasting their votes on a sure loser.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:02 PM
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108. Since you're quibbling over semantics and trivial details....
1. You said Clinton was criticized for"going after Obama's pledged delegates"

2. You said "Now it turns out it is perfectly OK for Obama to do the very same thing."

3. You said the article "clearly, and unambiguously states, that Clinton lost a delegate"

So, if #2 is correct (which it is NOT, but we'll give you that for argument's sake) using your obsession with linguistic minutia, you should admit that Obama really only went after "ONE" delegate, okay?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:30 PM
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79. with your permission I would like to quote your reply into another
post later on. Please PM me if you object.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:54 AM
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103. No objections...
...you can always re-post anything of mine, anywhere you want!

:)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:44 PM
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88. Thanks again, Two Sparkles, for
your solid reporting from Iowa.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:42 PM
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86. hilary's turned you into a
very disingenous person and I don't remember you that way at all, dsc.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:07 PM
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18. Does this mean that Edwards no longer holds the 26 delegates listed in his total?
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:19 PM
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26. That is correct
The 14 delegates he had from Iowa are now down to 8. Since they have the district convention and then the state convention to go yet, he'll probably lose even more. We actually won't know the final tally from Iowa until June.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:07 PM
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19. No. It was evil and bitchy of Obama.
Oh, well. Too bad, so sad.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:11 PM
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23. Actually, you have no proof this was the reason.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:13 PM by Kittycat
If delegates get a sour taste in their mouth, they have the right to change. It was essentially a caucus after a caucus. In addition, that delegate could have switched to uncommitted or edwards (although that's less likely) - that we don't know.

ETA: Also, if it was in a district where she didn't get 15% of the delegate support, then that delegate has to choose. That's part of the caucus in a caucus scenario that can occur.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:18 PM
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53. Obama went after Edwards delegates not Hillary's - that is perfectly
acceptable - she was doing the same thing and it did not work.

The 16% remaining Edwards delegates will go on to the next level uncommitted to either and eventually they will decide between the two even if they hold out until the Convention in Denver.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:25 AM
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100. Read the article - Obama didn't "go after" Clinton's delegates!
"Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most"

Got it? In case you hadn't heard, Edwards dropped out of the race!

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:47 PM
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4. great news!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:47 PM
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5. Wow, isn't that about as many as she won in Ohio?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:03 PM
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16. LOL!
you probably won't see that in the media
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:49 PM
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6. Kick
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:51 PM
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7. they still have to go to state convention before the final delegates are selected.
this is merely the second stage!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:51 PM
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8. Snort!
Telling Iowa they don't matter on the way out the door ...
Smart move team Hillary.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:55 PM
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9. And a big K&R for you!
:kick:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:00 PM
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11. Don't worry Hillary folks, I hear Iowa doesn't count.
Just like most states.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:45 PM
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89. The big Cheeze and Whiner, herself,
said so.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:06 PM
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110. Apparantly to her this week, only states where she was the only one on the ballot count!
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:00 PM
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12. Furniture lovingly dusted.
:)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:02 PM
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13. "Fragile" lead?
I think his lead looks pretty bombproof, but that's just me. :shrug:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:51 PM
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35. I was wondering why nobody had commented on that yet,
Math is a tough, tough subject. For some, anyway. :)

Xema, did I answer your question here? -> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
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74. You did answer my question!
Thank you! :D
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 PM
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61. Well, it's small by comparison to McCain's romp home I guess
Plus the press are probably sensitive of being accused of favoritism, so they don't want to say things like 'bombproof'.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:03 PM
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14. I LOVE that photo!!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:39 PM
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85. A president who's actually funny, instead of one who thinks he's funny.
Loven' me some Obama! :loveya:
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:05 PM
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17. What was all that about the Wright fallout again? Sounds like it is yesterdays news already...
Nice try Hillbots
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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44. Yeah...I wonder what the Hillbots "flavor of the WEAK" will be next?
Couple of months ago, you mention Christianity or another religion on here and you were dodging bullets. Now all of a sudden, Hillbots have made this place look like that rapture ready site. So what's their strategory now? Go back to attacking Michelle? :shrug: :nopity:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:07 PM
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20. Sweet!
:bounce:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:08 PM
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21. Sounds like her reward for crapping on the Iowa caucus
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 PM
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65. yes and all of the caucus states are going thru a similar process
winding thru to state conventions when the real and final decisions are made
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:10 PM
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22. K&R!!!!
Great news!
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:12 PM
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24. looks like he's bulletproof
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:17 PM
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25. It's just all those radical black Christians in Iowa!!
Hitllary gets all the important states!!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:19 PM
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27. Kick for Obama!
Thanks :)
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:25 PM
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28. Here are the details by CD and county
cd … County … Clinton … Edwards … Obama … Uncommitted
1 … Scott … 29 … 80 … 142 …
1 … Fayette … 11 … 18 … …
1 … Jackson … … … …
1 … Jones … 3 … 10 … 18 …
1 … Blackhawk … 21 … 63 … 117 …
1 … Bremer … 3 … 11 … 21 …
1 … Buchanan … 3 … 10 … 20 …
1 … Butler … … … …
1 … Clayton … 11 … 16 … …
1 … Clinton … 11 … 19 … 46 …
1 … Delaware … 5 … 3 … 7 … 15
1 … Dubuque … 51 … 90 … …
… … 148 … 320 … 371 … 15
… … 0.173302108 … 0.37470726 … 0.43442623 …
… … … … …
2 … Muscatine … 32 … … …
2 … Van Buren … 0.17 … 2 … 3 … 5
2 … Wapello … 13 … 18 … 31 …
2 … Washington … … … …
2 … Wayne … … … …
2 … Henry … 4 … 6 … 14 …
2 … Jefferson … 4 … 8 … 15 …
2 … Johnson … 31 … 33 … 73 … 137
2 … Lee … … … …
2 … Linn … 35 … 107 … 202 …
2 … Louisa … 4 … 8 … …
2 … Appanoose … 7 … 11 … …
2 … Cedar … … … …
2 … Davis … 2 … 6 … …
2 … Des Moines … 13 … 8 … 20 … 41
… … 145.17 … 207 … 358 … 183
… … 0.162533448 … 0.231758792 … 0.400819553 …
3 … Monroe … … … …
3 … Polk … 66 … 186 … 358 …
3 … Poweshiek … 4 … 10 … 17 …
3 … Tama … 3 … 8 … 16 …
3 … Grundy … 1 … 5 … 8 …
3 … Iowa … 3 … 6 … 13 …
3 … Jasper … 9 … 15 … 35 …
3 … Keokuk … 2 … 3 … 8 …
3 … Lucas … 3 … 1 … 3 … 7
3 … Mahaska … 8 … 13 … …
3 … Marion … … … …
3 … Benton … 6 … 10 … 23 …
… … 105 … 257 … 481 … 7
… … 0.123529412 … 0.302352941 … 0.565882353 …
4 … Worth … 4 … 8 … …
4 … Wright … … … …
4 … Mitchell Alto … 10 … … …
4 … Palo … 4 … 4 … 8 …
4 … Pocahontas … 3 … 3 … 6 …
4 … Story … 14 … 44 … 77 …
4 … Warren … 12 … 20 … 6 … 38
4 … Webster … 18 … 32 … …
4 … Winnebago … … … …
4 … Winnesheik … 13 … 17 … …
4 … Floyd … 3 … 6 … 15 …
4 … Franklin … 5 … 8 … …
4 … Greene … 1 … 5 … 8 …
4 … Hamilton … 2 … 7 … 14 …
4 … Hancock … 6 … 9 … …
4 … Hardin … 3 … 6 … 14 …
4 … Howard … 5 … 9 … …
4 … Humboldt … … … …
4 … Kossuth … 3 … 7 … 14 …
4 … Madison … 3 … 6 … 12 …
4 … Marshall … 24 … 32 … …
4 … Allamakee … 8 … 12 … …
4 … Boone … 14 … 24 … …
4 … Calhoun … 4 … 8 … …
4 … Cerro Gordo … 15 … 12 … 19 … 46
4 … Chickasaw … … … …
4 … Dallas … 10 … 18 … 39 …
4 … Emmet … 5 … 8 … …
… … 189 … 305 … 232 … 84
… … 0.233333333 … 0.37654321 … 0.286419753 …
5 … Woodbury … 14 … 34 … 68 …
5 … Mills … 4 … 7 … …
5 … Monona … 1 … 4 … 8 …
5 … Montgomery … 3 … 6 … …
5 … O'Brien … … … …
5 … Osceola … … … …
5 … Page … 4 … 7 … …
5 … Plymouth … 7 … 13 … …
5 … Pottawattamie … 8 … 20 … 55 …
5 … Ringgold … 2 … 1 … 5 …
5 … Sac … … … …
5 … Shelby … 2 … 3 … 8 …
5 … Sioux … 7 … … …
5 … Taylor … 3 … 5 … …
5 … Union … 2 … 4 … 9 …
5 … Fremont … 3 … 2 … 5 …
5 … Guthrie … 5 … 1 … 9 …
5 … Harrison … 3 … 3 … 10 …
5 … Ida … … … …
5 … Lyon … 1 … 1 … 2 … 4
5 … Adair … 2 … 2 … 6 …
5 … Adams … … … …
5 … Audubon … 5 … … …
5 … Buena Vista … 4 … 2 … 6 … 12
5 … Carroll … 10 … 16 … …
5 … Cass … 3 … 3 … 9 …
5 … Cherokee … … … …
5 … Clarke … 2 … 4 … 8 …
5 … Clay … 2 … 6 … 12 …
5 … Crawford … … … …
5 … Decatur … 3 … 1 … 6 …
5 … Dickinson … … … …
… … 100 … 145 … 226 … 16
… … 21% … 30% … 46% …
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:26 PM
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29. Full speed ahead on the Obama Express!
Kicking ass and taking names!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:32 PM
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30. Yay! K & R
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:33 PM
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31. GOBAMA
great news
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:35 PM
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32. If Hillary had gained the delegates all we would be hearing is about how THAT EVIL WITCH STOLE
DELEGATES! SHE HATES DEMOCRACY!!!! SHE BREAKS THE RULES!!!! Of course, the rules allow for what happened with these delegates in Iowa, but some Obama supporters would be up in arms if Hillary had gained them.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:54 PM
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37. Exactly.
Hypocrisy from Obama supporters is amazing.
They were all outraged, outraged, outraged when Hillary seemed to imply that pledged delegates could be up for grabs.
Yet they are happy, happy, happy, when Obama somehow gotten one of Hillary's pledged delegates.
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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:54 PM
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38. No one stole delegates. These were Edward supporters that switched.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:55 PM
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39. Then how did she lost one?

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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:56 PM
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42. More of her supporters didn't show up to the convention?
Not everyone shows up and you can't vote if your not there...
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:48 PM
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63. Per twosparkles above...
it sounds like at least a few of her supporters in Iowa just decided not to vote for her any more, as is their right. I haven't heard any complaints from Hillary loyalists in Iowa about getting harassed by Obama organizers. Doubtles you'll see some more coverage of it over the next 24 hours.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:08 PM
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46. Did Edwards release them?
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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:09 PM
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47. Edwards has no control over the delegates, especially if he hasn't endorsed.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:11 PM by TAWS
He retains the delegates from the primaries in South Carolina and New Hampshire but those delegates are only required to vote for him in the first round. He won't be able to throw delegates to someone at the convention.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:18 PM
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52. No they are still locked in the basement of his 44,000 sq ft house. n/t
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:56 PM
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41. But she did nott. She lost more ground. The pledged delegate lead is now 160
She is going to lose the pleged delegate race and probably the Popular vote race. She has already lost the won states race. What exactly is she going to win beyond the adoration of her core support?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:03 PM
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70. Except she didn't, because she's been crapping on the caucus system since Iowa.
This is what you get when you piss off caucus voters.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:46 AM
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95. As far as I can tell Obama didn't recruit these delegates
which is a major difference.

The other difference is that when Hillary talks about the prerogatives of pledged delegates in this context she is talking about trying to stage an overthrow of the selection process. She wants to use delegates she didn't win in a primary to overcome a lead that she can't otherwise.

Finally, if you think Hillary is willing to play by the rules, you should familiarize yourself with sort of crap that she has been pulling in Florida and Michigan
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:17 PM
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113. layoff the sexist language there. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:44 PM
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34. God damn Pastor Wright!
:evilgrin:
rocknation
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:53 PM
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36. Yes but
but... but... but they say Iowa doesn't count.

I guess Iowans will be considered persona au'gratin (sp) now?
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:25 AM
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94. you're thinking of Wisconsin...
maybe...


:)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:59 PM
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43. lol love the pic never seen that one.
:applause:
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:10 PM
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48. Hillary's through.
She should just drop out now instead of embarassing the party any longer.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:11 PM
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49. Kicking! Obama's 10 feet tall and bulletproof! n/t
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:17 PM
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51. "Twelve automatic delegates"
:eyes:

Looks like the Clinton campaign plan to change the vernacular is working; though I've always thought "automatic delegates" was an awkward and nonsensical title.

How did she "lose" one? I really dislike the idea of state delegates voting against their constituency when the candidate remains in the race.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:14 PM
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80. I think it's the correct terminology for at least some of the delegates.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:18 PM by Usrename
The "automatics" are the ones who do not face a separate qualifying process, I think. They don't have to comply with any additional selection requirement. That would be the elected officials and party leaders. It's complicated, for sure:

The delegates fall into seven categories:

District-level delegates
At-large delegates
Unpledged party-leader delegates
Unpledged elected-official delegates
Pledged party-leader delegates
Pledged elected-official delegates
Unpledged add-on delegates

on edit> oh yeah, the automatic delegates make up part of the superdelegates too :P I said it was complicated.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:52 PM
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83. it is total bullshit made up by the Clintons
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:34 PM
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84. Meaning that they automatically get counted for her?
That sounds about right.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:37 PM
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56. Kickin', and not the furniture, either.
:thumbsup:

:kick:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:33 PM
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81. Good one!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:42 PM
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58. Awesome!!!!
Thank you for posting!

Obama08
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:42 PM
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59. Kick the tires 'n light the fires! n/t
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:42 PM
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60. But......But......But..... Big States...... and his Pastor........ I guess Iowa doesn't count even
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:43 PM by Johnny__Motown
more now.... if that is even possible.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:48 PM
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62. Lost 1???? Lost??!?!?! Thank you, Dems Will Win
I've been really angry today at Clinton and her campagin - really really angry at what she's doing to this party and this country. I was about to log off DU because my anger is showing through.

But this little bit of info has put a smile on my face. What goes around really does come around (and she's just starting to get what she deserves). I am logging off DU for now, but I'm in a much better mood!

Tee hee hee!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:51 PM
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64. W00T!
This is great news! Now, off to recalculate the MATH again...
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:58 PM
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66. Is this fine tuning of caucus results/delegates related to her trying to challenge TX system?
If she sees that her delegate total is being chipped away one by one when final caucus numbers are in and here it is reported that he GAINED delegates she may fear the same thing happening in TX later this month (Mar 29th) when the delegate tallies are finalized.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:58 PM
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67. and now the AP joins in
By MIKE GLOVER - Associated Press Writer

DES MOINES, Iowa(AP) Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 PM
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69. From DemcomWatch 7 delegates for Obama firm Clinton +/- 1
7:00 EDT: NBC has Obama up 7 to 23, Clinton up 1 to 16, Edwards down 8 to 6.

8:20 EDT: The AP has Obama up 7 to 23, Clinton down 1 to 14, Edwards down 7 to 7, with 1 delegate to be decided.

Update: 9:50 EDT: - Some of the confusion is due to the requirement that a candidate receive 15% in a Congressional District to receive a delegate from that district. Currently, Edwards is projected to be viable in 4 of the 5 CDs, giving him 4 delegates at the CD level, plus 3 at the national level. But he's on the edge of 15% in a couple of CDs, and with some counties still out. If he drops below 15%, he loses the delegate, and it goes to either Clinton or Obama, depending on how the math plays out.

Note: We'll update all our trackers when the AP updates their official delegate count.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 PM
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71. Awesome!!! And this is after they
listened to that Wright sh$#% for two days straight! Go Obama!!!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
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75. All the negative campaigning by Clinton backfired and some of her own delegates switched to Obama
plus half of Edwards delegates felt the Omentum...
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:06 PM
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72. Jackson county results
Obama - 10 delegates
Clinton - 6
Edwards - 4
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:44 PM
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87. She has 2 more than the guy who's not in the race?
Wow. The inevitablility of that is really astounding.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
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73. But wait, I thought he was disgraced!
If you read what some supporters of Clinton think and some on air Conservatives say, Obama is done. He is scandal-ridden, he can't win.

He's more proof that this is BS and just another tactic to create fear and demoralize the public.

Nice try!

Tex Shelters
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:13 PM
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76. Heh. Guess that's why Clinton has to try to blackmail the DNC....
.... What a class act that campaign is.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:20 PM
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77. All I can say: 7 is a very big number! GOBAMA! nt
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List left Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:29 PM
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78. Momentum
Momentum!


BARACK :yourock:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:51 PM
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82. The news is now reporting Obama gained NINE delegates, not 7
when all is said and done!!
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:56 PM
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90. Do you have a source for this?
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:00 AM
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92. Your signature is very childish and non respectful and I've found that it is undemocratic when a
Clinton delegate decides on his or her own to stop supporting Clinton, I hope that is not the case.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:07 AM
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93. PLEASE KICK THE FURNITURE IF YOU ARE A CLINTON SUPPORTER AND RECOMMEND IF YOU ARE AN OBAMA SUPPORTER
people like you make me sick.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:22 AM
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96. Wow! Great news! Thanks for posting. nt
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:41 AM
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97. Yay! Must be all those radical black Christian latte-sippers in Iowa!
GOBAMA! :toast: Recommend! :)
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:04 AM
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98. Obama gains 10 Iowa delegates
according to his web site.
"For comparison purposes, Senator Clinton netted nine delegates in Ohio."
:woohoo:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgraham...
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:12 AM
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99. lol So, y'all are backing off bashing Hillary regarding caucus delegates?
Oh, those Obama supporters and their forked tongues. When you were screaming insults over Hillary's comments regarding caucus delegates, I posted that Obama was doing just that it in Iowa. :rofl:
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:21 AM
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101. Love the Superman Picture!
That must have been taken in Metropolis, Illinois. It's a fun place to visit if you're in the area.
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kitfalbo Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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102. More of the same.
Um... ok. Any of this going to make Clinton leave? She's pushing hard with her underhand to take Penn, looking like she might because she's getting more news time.

I'm surprised only a little bit of needling gets them to change tactics, I'm surprised when the media doesn't do a talk on this state, the new delegates from new york, or other states. It's like winning a mini-state and they cover those small states more than these post election delegate changes.

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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:54 AM
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104. Clinton and Bush like to change the rules of the game
Bush kept changing the criteria for making war, for staying longer, etc.
Clinton wants to change to rules regarding Michigan and Florida.

Bush did not plan beyond his invasion.
Clinton did not plan beyond super Tuesday.

Both like to talk tough - and prove how tough they are.

Both were enthusiastic about making war in Iraq.

Clinton is not as bad as McCain and Bush, but she is not that different either.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:48 AM
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107. She's worse because she says she's a progressive but then sells out
to the likes of Monsanto, the Saudis, the Emir of Dubai, Indian Offshoring Companies, Marianas Sex Slavers, the banks, the neo-cons and Joe Lieberman.

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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:33 PM
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111. K&R!
:)

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:27 PM
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112. K&R #100 to say how excited America is about Obama! eom
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:40 PM
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114. Didn't you get the memo? It's all about the "popular vote" now.
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