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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:30 PM
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Obama decries rising racial rhetoric ~ AP



PLAINFIELD, Ind. - Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday decried "the forces of division" over race that he said are intruding into the Democratic presidential nomination contest.

"We have to come together," he told a town-hall meeting at a high school.

He cited videos of inflammatory sermons given by his pastor that are now being used as political ammunition against him remarks that Obama has denounced.

"If all I knew were those statements I saw on television, I would be shocked," Obama said.

...

"It reminds me: We've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. ... This country wants to move beyond these kinds of things."

MSNBC


Bravo Mr. Obama!
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:31 PM
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1. Why? His church thrives on racial rhetoric......
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:33 PM
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3. Really? Have you ever been to Trinity United Church of Christ...
or are you just basing that on the 3-4 incendiary soundbites you saw on FauxNews?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 PM
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17. I don't watch Fox - but if they are covering this maybe I'll unblock it.
Sorry, but anyone trashing Bill Clinton as being a racist is not acceptable to me.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:37 PM
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8. Trinity UCC has members of all "races".
eom
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:39 PM
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10. jlake, for some reason I don't trust Obama either
As a matter of fact, right now Lou Dobbs is tearing into him and calling him a big liar about illegal immigration, and, is calling Obama a World Class Panderer. He called Obama a Panderer several times and is using Fear Mongering to get the latino vote. He is saying Obama owes him an apology and that if you pander a group, do it with style.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 PM
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12. Dobbs is a disgruntled Republican.
He's as credible as Bill O'Reilly.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:44 PM
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15. Funny you should say that!
The poster you're replying to said just last week that they prefer BillO to Olberman, b/c he's more fair and balanced. No lie.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM
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20. I sure did because it goes to show how wicked KO is
If you can't rise above O'Reilly whom I consider a snake, then I see no difference between KO and O'Reilly.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:57 PM
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29. EEK!
That's a ghastly thing to say :yoiks:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:18 PM
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51. nevermind
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:18 PM by Forkboy
looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. :)
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:49 PM
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56. Hey you!!
:hi:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:58 PM
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57. Hey back!
Congrats on the school thing and representin'!!!

I never get asked to represent nuthin' (that's a double negative!).
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:10 PM
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60. Awww thanks!! I'm super excited to do it...
A lil nervous though.

If I'm ever on trial, you can represent me!! :D

:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:22 PM
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63. Damn, that's the LAST thing you want.
Cess, Pool, & Drayne



:)
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:04 PM
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36. I see Lou Dobbs more of an Independent
He says positive and negative things about both party's but he doesn't like Bush. I've been watching him a long time and never got the impression he was anything more then independent.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:07 PM
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43. Lou Dobbs plays an Independent on TV, but he's far from it in real life.
I've had the unpleasant experience of having met him and worked with his people for a short while. Believe me, you would not like his sexist, racist self if you really had to deal with him.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:07 PM
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44. I used to as well,
until I checked out his political contributions.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:06 PM
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59. He's a xenophobe, pure and simple. n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:02 PM
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35.  I'm of the opinion
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:03 PM by Emit
that those who choose to continue the hyperbole about Wright's comments, and in this case Trinity United Church, have not read his comments in the context with which they were originally stated, nor have they read about Rev. Wright and others in the context of American history and various black movements.

At the risk of being rather inflammatory, why do certain posters, such as yourself, refuse to attempt to understand either context and prefer, instead, to mirror, and thereby perpetuate, the prejudiced views of Fox News and Co.?

edit to add a word
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:05 PM
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37. Definitely seems so.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:31 PM
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2. Good for him. That's always been his message. More important to trumpet it now than ever.
:applause:
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:36 PM
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7. Hillary's opponent is desperate, his racial jujitsu is not working anymore
The politically correct free ride is officially over
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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So true, and long over do.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:35 PM
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4. He's about 17 years too late on that one. nt
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:36 PM
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5. I'm glad to see this headline
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:36 PM
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6. And he has been largely responsible for that rhetoric.
For example:

1. Telling Tavis Smiley: "There's no doubt in my mind that if we consolidate the Black vote, that would cause a profound shift in the national polls."

2. Telling a group mainly consisting of African-Americans in South Carolina I need you to grab Cousin Pookie to vote; I need you to grab Ray Ray to vote."

And let's not forget his wife saying "Black America will wake up and get it."



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:38 PM
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9. I don't have a problem with the comments above.
n/t
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 PM
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13. I do
As an African-American, I do have a problem with those comments. Here's why.

1. When he talked about "consolidating" the Black vote, I felt like he was asking those of us in Black America to engage in group think. It's his use of the word "consolidate" that gave me heartburn. I do not believe we in Black America should be engaging in group think.

2. When he talks to predominantly Black voters about bringing "Pookie" and "Ray-Ray" to the polls, I feel like he's playing into a racial stereotype that is out there. There's this preception about every person in black America having a lazy cousin named Pookie or Ray-Ray.


And I was offended by Michelle Obama's comment about Black America waking up and getting it. Her message was that anyone in Black America not supporting her husband doesn't get it.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM
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22. You are entitled to your opinion.
I simply take the remarks differently. Of course, I support Obama so that might play a role? ;)

Hillary Clinton's camp has suggested that women should stick together as well. As a women, I find that offensive for the same reasons you note above.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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40. So Democrats are for increasing voter participation unless the voter votes for Hillary's opponent
then they are against it. Especially if it involves Ray Ray

Or Shaneeka.

Isn't that what Jeb Bush was trying to prevent in 2004?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 PM
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58. Did Michelle Obama say "Black America will wake up and get it"?
:wow: That must have been years and years ago when she wasn't quite as proud to be an American.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
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62. Yes, she did say it, and she said it during this campaign.
I uploaded it to ZShare for you. Here's the link:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/9000818cda1084 /

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 PM
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64. Thanks. This is sure to be aired along with Wright's rantings if Obama's the nominee.(eom)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:41 PM
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11. More brilliant responses from Obama when
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 PM by zidzi
he has the opportunity to unite us in direct contrast to hilary's endless divisive psycho babble.


"He said schools should do a better job of teaching all students African-American history "because that's part of American history," as well as women's struggle for equality, the history of unions, the role of Hispanics in U.S. and other matters that he suggested aren't given enough attention.

"I want us to have a broad-based history" taught in schools, he said, even including more on "the Holocaust as well as other issues of oppression" around the world."


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:44 PM
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14. An excellent
highlight of Obama's TRUE position on matters of race and gender Z.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:45 PM
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16. Obama whines over nothing.
Hillary is not racist.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:48 PM
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19. I know. I can't believe he called her racist there.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:53 PM
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25. He does this repeatedly and it needs to stop
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:21 PM
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52. I'm not sure I follow
who does what repeatedly?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:23 PM
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53. Relax...We're joking
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:24 PM
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54. It's a sad state when I honestly can no longer tell. n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:10 PM
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47. Who called her a racist? Where?
Are you two saying Obama called Hillary a racist?

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:52 PM
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23. He never said Hillary was racist.
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:57 PM
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28. hilary's a freakin' psycho
lying, desperate, clawing tool. Obama doesn't whine but hilary and her supporters do.



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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 PM
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18. "the forces of division" ???????????????
you mean like this??????

OBAMAS PASTOR: 9/11 IS A WAKE-UP CALL FOR WHITE AMERICA

or like this???????


where has the media been on this??????????
quote from The New Yorker Magazine
The Other Obama
Michelle Obama and the politics of candor.
by Lauren Collins
March 10, 2008
snip:

Michelle Obama: "I want to rip his eyes out!"
From the latest New Yorker--a profile on Michelle Obama.

I want to rip his eyes out! she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. Kidding! Obama said. See, this is what gets me into trouble.


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I just want to know where Keith Olberman and Jack Cafferty, Wolf Blitzer, Chris Matthews are in reporting this?

Michelle is talking about the former DEMOCRATIC president of the United States.

She is talking about the former head of the Democratic party.




OR THIS DIVISION??????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaNBzU6iryo&eurl=http://...

( remember when watching this Obama went to the most private prep school in Oahu Hawaii..then went to two of the BETTER Colleges in the United States. Mrs. Obama went to Princeton on a full scholarship where her brother played on the Basketball team on a full scholarship..seems to me someone put the money up for those scholarships..might that have been rich people who paid for her scholarship?..then she went onto Harvard law..Mrs Obama's brother is currently the basketball coach at Brown University..not exactly the slums like their friend ran with no heat in the winters of Chicago, 11 of which were in Obama's district..yes people were left to freeze to death by their good buddy Rezko!..POOR PEOPLE...))



or is it division like this Obama is discussing?????????

Obamas Pastor: God Damn America : NO QUARTER
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/13/obamas-pastor-g... /

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:53 PM
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24. I don't see any commentary
that actually addressed the OP?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM
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21. Maybe he should have stood up and said that at his church....
what a hypocrite.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:54 PM
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27. Why?
His church welcomes people of all "colors".
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:00 PM
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31. yeah, it sounded real welcoming....
NOT
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:01 PM
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33. See the political video I just posted.
:hi:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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39. If it's Obama spouting more empty words that
don't match his actions of supporting Wright and the church for 20 years, I'm not interested.

Actions speak louder than words.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:07 PM
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42. It's not Obama.
It's a member of his Church.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:54 PM
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26. I wish he could rein in some of his supporters....
...who lob the charge around like candy at an Easter parade.

Oh, and Hillary supporters, don't thank me...you guys are doing the same thing with the sexism charge.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:58 PM
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30. Indeed!
Hey FB :hi:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #30
50. Howdy back atcha!
:hi:

The whole race/gender thing was bound to get ugly, but it drives me nuts to see the charges tossed around so casually. Yes, there has been both, but it's tossed around so often that when a real instance of one or the other comes up no one takes it seriously because of all the times it's been lobbed out there needlessly. People are tuning out to the real examples, which do exist, and do hurt people. :(
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:26 PM
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55. "it drives me nuts to see the charges tossed around so casually"
Hear hear!
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:00 PM
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32. We are all shocked Barack, welcome to our world nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:02 PM
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34. I was hoping yesterday he would speak out on race
I'm very glad.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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38. me too.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:07 PM
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41. Karma is a bitch. You shouldn't have played the race card...
Attacking the Clintons as racists was not a good career move.

What kind of racial attacks is your campaign planning for the North Carolina primary?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:11 PM
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61. He never did that. Hilly and bill tried to frame him as a fringe
minority candidate. And blowback was a bitch. The fucked themselves by doing it. And you clearly don't have a clue what karma is, dear.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:08 PM
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45. The man is Irish, please move on
The GOP and their Hillary are at work
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:10 PM
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46. That wasn't a post, it was art!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:15 PM
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49. LOL
:hi:
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:11 PM
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48. Stop blaming everything on race then.problem solved.
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