Bill passes "Come Back Kid" torch to Hillary

[LuvMyPorsche]

So it looks like Obama has been exposed as the vulnerable and unelectable candidate he is. Just WAIT til the experts in "Swift Boating" get ahold of Obama, they've probably got a video of him clapping after racist Wright was spewing his venom. He's done.

Not only is he done, but he's damaging the party by standing in Hillary's way. When Hillary legitimately receives the nomination in Denver, of course Obamanation will riot, plunder and burn for a week. The National Guard will be called in... bad visuals.

McCain vs. Obama... Obama loses ALL rust belt states, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, etc...

Where does Obama WIN where Kerry LOST in 2004?

Hmmm?

Ohio? Lol.

Florida? Lol.

Texas? 2x Lol.

Hillary.

Hillary can beat McCain.

Hillary WILL beat McCain. Get on the right side.

[Name removed]

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[LuvMyPorsche]

4. So...

So are you guys going to stay home in November or vote for Hillary?

[JackORoses]

6. Hillary is not up for Senate reelection until 2010.

I will be voting for President Barack Obama in November.

I'd Luv2KeyYourPorsche!
Obama '08 on the hood, perhaps?

[LuvMyPorsche]

9. lol...

And further the myth of the angry progressive?

I would never key a car with an Obama bumper sticker. I would never key a car with a McCain bumper sticker.

Obama supporters are basically the same folks who come out of the woodwork at the World Bank meetings like the one in Seattle a few years back. Anarchists, Communists, Socialists...

Rethink your HATE.

This is a serious time for this great nation (and it IS a great nation) and we need serious leadership! Hillary and her team will bring back he glory days of the 90's...

[JackORoses]

12. oh. it's not political

I just dislike Douchebags who think that their car is a major accomplishment or a sign of prestige.

I guess I'm just a poor boy at heart.

[LuvMyPorsche]

14. oh ok.

:rolleyes:

[CoffeeCat]

28. Oh yeah, you're really winning hearts and minds....

with your "Anarchists, Communists, Socialists"...juvenile name calling.

Usually one has to attend a Dostoevsky symposium to experience this level of smarm.

You aren't a very classy ambassador for your candidate.

[Forkboy]

36. Don't forget this gem the OP just edited from another post elsewhere...

Referring to Michelle Obama the OP said, "Think she'll wear those African heritage costumes during state dinners and such?"

I doubt it's even a real Hillary supporter.

[CoffeeCat]

41. Well, anyone who is so insecure...

...that they insist on touting their car in their screen name--is just a bit goulish.

Many of us drive nice cars. Say hello to the first DUer who feels the need to telegraph
it to the world.

[Forkboy]

45. Well, to be fair, I was going to call myself LuvMyYugo, but it didn't have a good ring to it.

[Liberal Gramma]

49. No

I can't speak for others but I'm not an anarchist, a communist, nor a socialist. I have been a registered Democrat for 45 years, and actively have supported Democratic candidates. I supported Bill Clinton, and thought he was a good president. In this election, I feel Obama is the better candidate, partly because he is more electable, partly because he isn't indebted to lobbyists, partly because he has a vision for America that I admire and would like to see happen. I would rather go on to the unified and energized days of the 'teens than back to the 90's.

And before you tell others to rethink their hate, take a look at your post--I think it's a little lacking in respect for the opposition.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. They will probably stay at home because Obama will be our candidate

[burythehatchet]

2. I'm so proud when I catch one before 50 posts.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. there is a video of Obama being present when the good Rev preached his hate sermons....I

I saw one and I will find it again for you

[quinnox]

3. YES

Welcome to DU, don't tlet the Obama maniacs get you down.

They will likely call you many names for this.

[sniffa]

5. Is it really a strike if you're just posting elsewhere?

[kwenu]

7. Hillary DROPS said torch. Flame goes out. Film at 11.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Hillary falls into ocean. Japanese whaling ship approaches her thinking she's the Great White Whale

[LuvMyPorsche]

11. LOL...

I hadn't even been on DU for a few months and I'm really surprised by the amount of in-fighting.

We've all got less than 8 months to come together folks... time to get behind Hillary NOW.

[kwenu]

16. Even if all of us got behind Hillary and pushed she wouldn't go anywhere except N.Y.

[corkhead]

46. If you are surprised, then you must not be a Democrat

[Texas Hill Country]

10. Newsmax indicates it does have video apparently... not the most reliable source, but...

if it turns out to be true...

[rodeodance]

13. Hillary can beat mccain yes she will, yes we will.

[rodeodance]

15. **Come over here--great photos of Hillary in St. Pattty day parade--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[LuvMyPorsche]

17. thanks...

She's just bubbling with enthusiasm. She can do positive things...

and she's never said she's ashamed of the country or it's people.

[kwenu]

21. Hillary insults Iowa and Mississippi

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politi...

Hillary Clinton: Iowa, Mississippi have women problems

In an odd, surprisingly candid and perilous interview with the Des Moines Register's David Yepsen, Hillary implies that voters in Iowa and Mississippi are sexist because they haven't elected women as governors, reps or senators.

Iowa "poses a special burden to me" she said. Ouch. We’re sure there are a couple of people who’d like to relieve her of that burden.

"I was shocked when I learned Iowa and Mississippi have never elected a woman governor, senator or member of Congress. There has got to be something at work here," she told Yepsen, theorizing it may be the risk-averse nature of a state built around agriculture.

"I think not only do I have to bring people to me, I have to maybe reassure people here maybe more than I do in New Hampshire, which has had a woman governor."

Then she takes a gratuitous shot at Ole Miss, which will provide the GOPers in the South with bulletin board material and cause her nothing but problems in her quest to win over the upper south.

"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked, siding with the Hawkeye State. "That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

Glenn Thrush

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[kwenu]

33. OHH! Her Highness and her royalists only care about what she can get not about the people!!!

This is why America will vote for Obama! And why Hillary is an anachronism.

[rodeodance]

44. bingo

[stray cat]

18. Enjoy 4 years minimum of President McCain

He will get the republican and independent vote and Hillary will go down in smoke. Ohio may go with Hillary but McCain will get Florida and the south and southwest and a chunk of the midwest including MO.

[LuvMyPorsche]

23. If Hillary

gets Kerry states 2004 + Ohio...

it's OVER.

Hillary WINS!

[stray cat]

29. I hope you are right but I think McCain gets more independents than Bush in 2004

Not sure what states like Iowa, MN, WI, IL, MI and Pennsylvania will do to mention a few potential states that are not a guaranteed dem win against McCain. Kerry should have destroyed Bush in 2004 but didn't. McCain may even get angry dems to vote for him or at least stay home. Even Feingold thought McCain would be a decent president. Hillary even thinks if she isn't the nominee McCain is the best choice.

[LuvMyPorsche]

30. Minnesota and Wisconsin may be close

but Hillary will put Virginia, Colorado and Ohio into play. Maybe even a lone MW state...Iowa?

[stray cat]

32. CO was strongly Obama - I don't see Hillary winning VA or CO

against McCain. But like I said - I sure hope you are right and I'm wrong. I'm just afraid the dems are going to manage to lose what should be a sure thing.

[Nitrogenica]

19. Am I the first to put you on their ignore list here?

Goodbye.

[Avalux]

20. Welcome to DU. Will you stay and support Obama when he wins the nomination?

Thanks!

[O.M.B.inOhio]

22. I'll take McCain vs. Obama over McCain over Clinton.

She's a fine candidate but not as competitive against McBush.

Clinton says she's been pursuing change for decades. So, where is this change? And how's that health care initiative coming along? When she speaks of change, it sounds like a slogan. Obama's message of change and hope can mobilize many, many voters, more than any GOTV efforts. If you are African-American, what's your experience been in presidential politics lately? You know that blacks were illegally purged from voter rolls in 2000, as well as being subjected to intimidation, road blocks, etc. In Ohio, the black neighborhoods (as well as student populations) were where the 8-hour lines were, where the voting machines failed, etc. So if this is your experience, how would you feel if you were for Obama, and his opponent were given the nomination, contrary to the will of the voters? You might feel that your involvement in the political process was a sham. That would be a reasonable conclusion. You might not feel highly motivated to exercise your useless right to vote. It would not be sour grapes; it would be an observation of your political reality.

I don't know many Republicans, but most of the ones I do know are Obama converts and none like Hillary. I think his air of integrity and hope for America appeal to them. Clinton is just someone from the other team.

Clinton is running on experience and readiness to lead the military. Well, McCain has more experience and his military service is more impressive than Hillary's assertions that she's ready. Obama has the outsider quality that W (fraudulently) capitalized on, and it it more powerful against McCain than less experience and less credentials to be Commander-in-Chief.

[cindyw]

25. Hillary is the a runner up Miss America looking for the crown after the pageant

on a technicality

[CoffeeCat]

26. Again, we have the same old hysterical...

...and tired rantings about Obama being done.

All of this started, in a coordinated fashion--by Hillary and by so many
posters on DU.

It's so pathetic.

Word to these freakish posters. We do have neurons. Obama is ahead in the delegate
count, and Hillary can't catch him, unless she garners 65 percent of the vote in every
remaining state.

You are completely delusional, spewing half-truths, lies, distortions, manipulations
and outright comedic bullshit.

I guess that's Hillary's next marketing meme: "I know! Even though Obama is winning,
let's suggest that he's losing! We must repeat the phrase, "He's done!" like we really
believe it!"

So incredibly pathetic and freaky.

[LuvMyPorsche]

27. but...

Obama can't meet the mandatory delegate threshold EITHER.

Nom won't be decided by the primaries... it's gonna come down to what's BEST for the party.

So go ahead and WIN all the Alabama's, Maryland's, Mississippi's, Georgia's and Louisiana's...

Enjoy!

[CoffeeCat]

31. It's going to come down to who has the most pledged...

...delegates.

The SuperD's will not usurp the will of the people.

That fantasy-based talking point "what's best for the country" is more of Hillary's gibberish.

What's best for the country is that the SuperD's leverage the candidate with the most pledged
delegates. And they will.

The SuperD's clearly know this. It's too bad that you have made the choice to live in fantasy land--where
magical sparkly delegates just fall in line behind Hillary as the skip over the rainbow--ignoring the will of the people.

[LuvMyPorsche]

34. well then the party will learn a lesson ala Mcgovern

or Mondale.

If Hillary loses, BO wins. BO runs in GE, gets shellaq'd by McOldman.

In 2012, Hillary probably doesn't run again, BO won't be allowed to, and then what? Warner 2012?

[CoffeeCat]

39. You're all ready convinced that Hillary is going...

...to be the big primary winner, so I'm surprised you've even entertained
these eventualities.

Don't worry your pretty little head. Just stay in fantasy land where
Hillary takes the Dem primary "because it's the right thing for our
country"--after losing pledged delegates, the popular vote and losing
more states than Obama.

You have no credibility.

[karynnj]

35. You mean - IF Hillary legitimately receives the nomination in Denver

You contend that Obama is now vulnerable - then HRC can Hillary legitimately receives the nomination in Denver - IF see resoundingly beats Obama - with a huge % of the vote.

The head to heads with McCain are better for Obama than HRC.

Consider that Obama is beating her - though she started with more party support, more media support and Bill Clinton. That says something about how good a campaign she has wasged.

PS Against McCain Obama can win Ohio. Kerry could have won without Blackwell.

[LuvMyPorsche]

37. we'll see

I think teh Pugs are holding the powder dry against Obama.

Swift Boat will look like "Your mother wears army boots" if BO is the nom in the GE...

[karynnj]

48. The Republicans have FAR more to use against HRC

We lose all chance of using McCain's corruption (lobbyists) if it is HRC. I have no idea why HRC people think the Clintons have no baggage - they have big steamer trunks of it.

(If HRC is the candidate it will be incredibly tough - the media has gotten worse by the year. In 2000 and 2004, we had good, decent, honorable men with long reputations of being clean. They were attacks and the party should have fought back better - especially as ALL the facts were on our side. With HRC - that will not be the case.

[LuvMyPorsche]

51. I understand

what you're saying. But bottom line... can HRC win Ohio and/or any other state that Kerry lost in 2004?

YES!

Can McCain win Oregon, Washington, Pa or NJ?

Probably not.

HRC can carry every Kerry blue state. HRC can add on 2 or 3 more states.

Obama will lose 2 or 3 more states compared to Kerry.

[karynnj]

53. I'm actually not sure on NJ for Clinton

I know she won the Democratic primary - but if the party has trouble getting out the urban vote - because people feel Obama was cheated - we will be in trouble. McCain is not seen as being as scary as Bush was. In addition, a big issue with people is corruption and it has been a bigger and bigger issue in NJ.

I think Obama could win VA, the states Kerry won, plus the states Kerry would have won had the elections not had problems - Ohio and NM.

[Cha]

40. You pick yourself up outta the

gutter.

[CoffeeCat]

42. This poster like it where it's dark...

...and where the sunlight of reality is nowhere to be found.

[anonymous171]

47. I don't like dynasties.

[Skidmore]

50. You can't come back if you've never been there.

[otohara]

52. Welcome Back to 1992

can we turn back the clock on everything else too?

[corkhead]

54. What's that I smell?

[varkam]

55. Locking

Cheers,
varkam
DU Moderator