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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:08 PM
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Poll question: Worse wish: That Pastor Wright have a peaceful retirement or that GHWBush have a peaceful retirement
We all heard Obama say that he didn't make a big deal of distancing himself from Pastor Wright's remarks because Wright was going to retire soon, and he didn't think it would be necessary.


Bill Clinton said in his own book that he didn't pursue some matters involving GHWBush because he felt Bush deserved a peaceful retirement for all his decades of 'service' to this nation.

Which decision has hurt this nation?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:11 PM
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1. All too easy.
:grr:

Impeach 'em, I say. No peaceful retirement for those who shred the Constitution.

-Laelth
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:14 PM
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2. K&R - the Big Dog fucked up...
...and history will not be kind to him once the truth about him becomes mainstream. :thumbsup: or :(
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:16 PM
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3. Wright encourages racial divisiveness.... this is tearing our nation apart.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:23 PM
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4. I agree
But at least he exposed Obama! :thumbsup:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:44 PM
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9. You think Obama should get targeted for 'exposure' but crimes of BushInc deserved cover up?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:44 PM by blm
What makes you think so?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:36 PM
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5. No, he demands that WE ALL recognize the racism that transcends generations?
:shrug:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:36 PM
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6. No, preaching hate from the pulpit is not transcending racism.... well, maybe in bizarro world.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:39 PM
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7. You say preaching hate - but it's the truth...
Sorry. Nice try... ;)
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Riktor Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:24 PM
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17. Not quite
He may be dead on in his assertion the country is, in effect, ruled by rich white men. However, from what I've heard of his sermons, he generalizes that assertion to whites as a whole.

What he fails to mention (again, at least from my limited knowledge of his sermons) is that racism isn't used to keep blacks, specifically, subservient to whites. Racism is used to keep poor people of all walks of life squabbling amongst themselves over non-issues (such as "race", which doesn't even exist in the biological sense of the word), rather than uniting and demanding a larger portion of the proverbial "pie".

Thus, in insinuating that all whites are living the good life at the black man's expense, the good pastor is telling a half-truth at best.

Furthermore, his sermons are littered with historical inaccuracies. Such as:

1- Erroneously referring to Jesus as "black". If we take the Biblical account of Jesus at face value, He was born to Jewish to parents in what is now modern-day Israel. That would make Jesus Semitic, rather than a man of African extraction.

2- Erroneously referring to the Romans as "Italians". "Italy" is derived from the ancient "Italic" peoples, which were conquered by the Romans in the early years of the Roman Empire. Furthermore, he made the assertion the Romans were a bunch of rich, white men living at the expense of colored people. This, as well, is not accurate, as the Romans exerted their dominance over any group of people they site their sights on, including other whites. The Roman system of slavery was, in effect, "colorblind".


This is hardly the "truth". It reeks more of an egomaniac looking to draw a crowd of admirers behind him by relying more on rhetoric than factual substance. If you want a God's honest sociological analysis of systemic racism, I'd suggest listening to Joe Fegin, rather than an ostentatious, loud-mouthed, so-called "holy man".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:46 PM
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10. FUNDING the hate of global terror networks as was done in BCCI is 'acceptable'
but a preacher talking about race from a cynical point of view is NOT acceptable to you. That is a disturbing sense of priorities you are showing after 9-11.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:42 PM
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8. Worse than the emergence of Bush2, a 9-11 event, and this Iraq war. NO divisiveness in that?
.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:46 PM
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11. Yes. Without racial divisiveness none of that would have happened.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:49 PM
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12. Funding global terror networks based in hate is what IranContra and BCCI are about at their core.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:49 PM by blm
You don't believe fully exposing those illegal operations steeped in government corruption would have benefitted this nation as much as exposing Pastor Wright's cynical view of our nation's politics?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:50 PM
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13. You can't fund what wouldn't exist.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 PM
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15. Existed/Exists because Military Industrial Complex needs it to be so.
And obviously that is the side you choose.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:51 PM
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14. You might as well talking to a blubbering mass of protoplasm.
He's already said he'll volunteer for McCain, so the odds of someone helping Bush bothering him is slim to none.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:17 PM
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16. ...................
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
My prayers aren't working.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:53 AM
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23. That's ok, neither does your brain.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:28 PM
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18. i didn't know he said that in his book
i didn't read it myself. but what i'm hearing from others who read it, it does not make me think well of BC.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:39 AM
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21. Bill didn't say ONE WORD about BCCI in his entire book. That shows deliberate
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:46 AM by blm
diversion of terrorism debate focus away from those matters.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:48 PM
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19. It's going to be VERY hard to make hay out of this.
Wright fright pales next to Hookergate, or any other juicy scandal, because Obama just isn't scary enough for people to care about his pastor, north of the Mason Dixon line anyway. All it does is cancel out the Muslim attacks so the unintended consequence seems to be mildly beneficial.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:32 AM
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20. There's no comparison. Reverend Wright is a Chicago pastor who few people heard of until last week.
GHWB was the Leader of the Free World. :shrug:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:45 AM
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22. Uhm, no option for Both?
Present.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:01 AM
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24. You're welcome to explain WHY you have judged them equal.
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