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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:36 PM
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Obama should NOT offer Hillary VP slot. He can do MUCH better.
If she was given the VP slot, her (and her husband) would be REWARDED for smearing Obama with implications of being a drug dealer, of being a Muslim, of saying something in private to the Canadians than he said in public here about NAFTA, about saying McCain met the CIC threshhold while Obama only has a speech he gave in 2002, etc.

He should choose someone with military experience who was against this war. Someone without the baggage the Clintons have. If there was a female that fit this description, that would be a bonus, but not a necessity.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:36 PM
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1. But if he offered it to her now, she might take it and stop hurting the party.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:38 PM
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2. It would go against everything he stands for. The party elders should make her stop hurting the
party in one way or another.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:49 PM
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9. She's hurting the party because she wants POTUS.
She'll do anything to get elected. Nothing else matters.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:26 PM
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104. she would never just be second. never.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:39 PM
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3. Fine, if by some miracle Obama survives these scandals
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:39 PM by quinnox
and the supers are dumb enough to hand him the nomination, then Hillary shouldn't be VP because Obama will most likely lose to McCain. So Hillary will not want to be on a ticket with damaged goods and can run again in 2012 without the taint of being on a losing ticket!

Yes, I agree, Hillary should not accept VP from Obama!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:42 PM
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4. He will. If you saw him speaking today in IN, you'd realize that. And Hillary has YET
to be vetted. Just you wait 'til the story turns to her continued refusal to release her past tax returns and First Lady documents, etc. SHE'LL be damaged beyond the point of winning in 2012, but I wouldn't put it past her to try. Afterall, she's not a Democrat as much as she's a Clintoncrat.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:45 PM
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5. Yes, an Obama and Hillary supporter agree
Hillary shouldn't be VP to Obama, we both agree although with different reasons.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:47 PM
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7. Good. I'm glad Hillary and all her surrogates finally stopped putting out the possibility of a
joint ticket (with her as president, of course).
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:52 PM
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11. Thank you, but I don't think it was or will be offered. nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:25 PM
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21. Geeeeeeeee.....
...do I EVER smell the Hillary '12 flavor in this post... :puke:

Makes me think that just maybe a certain queen is behind the shit that is going on.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:57 PM
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46. Little problem with your idea
Sharks and vultures.

Clinton was the ordained one. If she fails now she will be viewed as the loser and if Obama were to lose the GE; in 2012 there would be a line around the block of Dems ready to eat her alive.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:06 PM
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70. by some miracle? lol.....................
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:47 PM
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6. He's up against the entire establishment at this point.
Having a Clinton snooping around sure won't help him fight it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:48 PM
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8. He sure is. And remember when team Clinton tried calling HIM the "establishment
candidate"? :eyes:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:58 PM
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44. I have news -it wasn't "team Clinton" that noticed his pattern of ingratiating himself
and going along to get along, rather than standing up for tradition Democratic values during his tenure in the Senate....

or in respect to many of the policy positions and talking points he adopted.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:43 PM
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51. Right. Guess they're giving that one a rest
for now at least.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:55 PM
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55. I guess they saw that one didn't stick. n/t
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:51 PM
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10. a scorpion would be a safer bet for VP than Hillary.
she not to be trusted - everything is about her and billy and their own personal needs.

in fact I'd go one further and hope that she loses her Senate seat - she is one despicable piece of &&%^$%!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:26 PM
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22. I was gonna say angry poisonous snake....
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:27 PM by Hepburn
...but scorpion will do! :hi:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:00 PM
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111. Correction ~ it would be the first time we would have Co Vice
Presidents ~

That is what it would be .
Didn't Princess Diana say, "there were 3 people in the marriage?"

Well can you imagine Bill Clinton setting up Cabinet meetings, telling him what to do, going behind his back.

No ~ a thousand times no.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:52 PM
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12. Not to worry. He won't have the chance.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:56 PM
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13. Sure, he will
Despite extreme desperation, her goose is cooked.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:57 PM
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14. I'm not worried. He won't choose her.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:22 PM
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103. You forgot just one little thing...
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:59 PM
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15. He should have her investigated for plotting with the Canadians
to rig the primaries.

If she's involved, we can send her to prison.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:01 PM
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16. I'd settle for having her release her tax returns...
it may have the same effect!
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:08 PM
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17. You people are nutz!!
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:09 PM by samrock
You want to see McCain get most of the Hispanic vote, women vote, over 50 vote???

Nearly half of this party supports Hillary.. IF you think spiting on their choice will get them to support yours ... Please say hello to Pres McCain..

and to those who say "Oh no!!! he can't pick Hillary .. she will see that he has an xcident so she can be pres" .. Please step away from the bong.. take off your aluminum foil hats or just go to Rush-ditto-head-land now..

The job BOTH B.O. and H.C. signed up for when they declared themselves candidates was to get a Democrat as our next Pres.. They are adults and better SUCK it up.. only 1 way I see this happening with this party getting soo divided.. and that is a unified ticket.. I really do not care which name comes 1st.. They got us here.. it is up to THEM to get us out of this dead end.. Both have to can their DAMN egos.. We MUST not allow McCain to win.. for the sake of those brave men/women in Iraq looking get the hell home... For the sake of the next 1-2 supreme court picks.. for the sake of an energy policy that does not take all the money out of our pockets and hand it to Exxon, for the sake of moving the football down the field toward universal health care!!..

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:21 PM
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18. Don't worry. She'll support Obama and tell her supporters she hopes they'll vote for Obama.
And all will be right with the world. Or at least much better than if anyone else was president.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:24 PM
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20. and since you are such a good Democrat you will vote for Hillary now won't you.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:35 PM
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23. As YOU always say, "Please stick to the topic of the OP." (See how ridiculous that sounds?)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:41 PM
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30. see how you looked yesterday---that was the purpose. I have achieved my goal. thank you.






As YOU always say, "Please stick to the topic of the OP." (See how ridiculous that sounds?)
Posted by jenmito


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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:47 PM
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33. Um, no. There's actually nothing wrong with your question. But you obviously missed the point.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:50 PM by jenmito
Did you miss where I said, "See how ridiculous that sounds?"
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:23 PM
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63. You have yet to answer the question, however.
Since you found "nothing wrong" with the question, and since I have never posted that you ought to stick to the OP, I will ask it. since you are such a good Democrat you will vote for Hillary now won't you?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:05 PM
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69. At this point, if she STEALS the nomination by bribing/strong-arming the SDs to go
against the will of the people, I will NOT vote for her (or anyone else). If she manages to win it fair and square (more pledged delegates) I suppose I would.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:52 PM
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62. If Hillary wins the nomination and at least has the popular vote, I'll vote for her in the general
It's a much tougher choice if Obama has the popular vote and pledged delegate lead and somehow Hillary gets the nomination (but I think that scenario is even less likely than Hillary getting the popular vote).
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:23 PM
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19. Your post gets the Hateful award for the day.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:36 PM
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24. Please stick to the topic of the OP.
:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:39 PM
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28. oh but i did--i saw hate
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:44 PM
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31. LOL! n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:48 PM
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34. :-D
:D
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:37 PM
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25. he hasn't gotten the nomination yet
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:38 PM
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27. He will.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:55 PM
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37. perhaps. nothing is a certainty. and he needs to turn in a better
performance than he did last night on KO.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:26 PM
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47. He did very well. Just like on the other shows...and during his town hall today...
where they gave him a standing ovation after talking about the subject.
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metalluk Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:38 PM
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26. Correct..
Obama, if he wins the nomination, should not pick Hillary as his running mate. I doubt she would accept the offer and it would be a major waste of her talents.

Picking a V.P. with military experience would do nothing to shore up concerns about Obama's lack of experience because the V.P. has no official role in military decisions. He/she merely presides over the Senate. Cheney has been an exception because he's the #2 behind an incompetent bozo. Gore was given more of a role as V.P. than most, but it was still quite limied.

One way that Obama could increase his credibility for the position of President during the General Election would be to name his intended candidates for Defense Secretary and Secretary of State. If those folks were highly experienced and respected individuals, it might make a difference, but naming a cabinet before being elected would be ususual. I doubt he will do it.

Obama has very little chance of winning the General Election, having made himself vulnerable on multiple accounts: lack of experience, association with a racist, anti-American Pastor, and repeated disconnects between campaign rhetoric and his actual beliefs, according to his own campaign aides. Clinton's attacks on Obama have been restrained by his being a fellow Democrat. McCain will have no such restraints and the pounding Obama takes will be unrelenting. His coat of armor is already acquiring dents and has lost its glossy sheen.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:46 PM
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32. Thanks for your analysis, but...
I disagree that a VP pick doesn't matter. Even if it's psychological, it will matter.

And he could choose both a VP AND members of his cabinet.

He does NOT have very little chance of winning the GE. He's not vulnerable on lack of experience-he can point not only to his judgement but to his supporters who are generals, his work on different committees, and past presidents with little experience in certain areas.

I don't think Rev. Wright is a racist. I think you're confusing racism with Black pride/recognition. Wright doesn't think his race is SUPERIOR to white people, but points out the struggles his race have gone through to get to even where they are today. And I don't think he hates America, either. He just hates its policies. Like Ron Paul. He doesn't blame 9/11 on abortion or gay people. He blames it on our foreign policies, which I think is right. And once Obama starts debating McCain, people will flock to him and run from McCain.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:41 PM
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29. Pelosi ruled out an Obama/Clinton ticket, said Hillary had endorsed McCain
so it would only damage the ticket even more than all of the other dirt and shit slung so
far.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:49 PM
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35. That's right. She also ruled out the reverse. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:52 PM
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36. If Hillary were to take it she would lose all of the GE money she has sitting there
instead of keeping it for future elections - $ 30 million. Somehow I don't think she really wants it.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:56 PM
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38. I agree
Clinton will hurt the chances. Every Republican I know hates the Clintons.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:41 PM
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50. Same here, Dems., too, now! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:00 PM
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39. Obama needs a pair of scissors
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:44 PM
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53. That would be VIOLENT action -- She is Dem Pres. candidate. SHAME ON YOU
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:51 PM by rodeodance
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:42 PM
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59. Cutting a symbolic rope is a violent action??? GET REAL!
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:46 PM
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66. SHAME ON YOU ,JENMITO!
I wag my finger in your general direction!





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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:00 PM
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67. You're right...
And I LOVE Colbert! :hi:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:46 PM
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60. It's a cartoon! More:








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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
75. Hahahaha! Now, that is funny!
The political cartoonists are having a heyday with Hillary.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:07 PM
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40. I think the only way WE (democrats) get out of this mess is with a joint ticket.
And I don't care who is in which position.

There will be unhappy people on both sides if it happens, but this ridiculous divisiveness within the party, as so amply exemplified at DU, can only be cured by the two candidates teaming up.

I hope they have the wisdom to do it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
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56. I disagree. Obama's irreplaceable. Hillary's not. If she supports him, it should be ok.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:49 PM
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61. Nice response.
Much to come, isn't there.


Peace.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:14 PM
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41. I swear to you that if he chooses her I'm not sure I can vote for him
I detest her that much! I mean I absolutely can't stand that __________. He should not trust her as far as he could throw her! She would probably try to mess him up while she was out there stumping (supposedly for the ticket) so he would lose and she could run again in 4 years! I don't trust her or Bill anymore!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:25 PM
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42. K & R
:thumbsup:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:56 PM
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43. Those two are simply not a good fit either way
and in the event there's a compromise candidate chosen at the convention, neither one should be on the ticket.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:41 PM
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45. For sure.....I suggest Sen. Kerry.
His military experience will help against McLame. If McLame chooses Condoleeza Rice, this will add yet another twist. Should be interesting.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:27 PM
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48. No he shouldn't! He should reach over and ask Richardson to be
the VP. In my opinion (just my opinion) that would be a great ticket, assuming Senator Obama is the nominee. It is not over yet.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:28 PM
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49. Don't worry he won't be in a position to offer her anything. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:46 PM
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54. see post # 39 --this should not be allowed
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 PM
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58. WHAT are you TALKING about???
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:43 PM
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52. Its time for the Democratic Party to chart a new and better course without the Clintons.
Other than getting himself elected, Bill Clinton did nothing but damage that Democratic Party. We need a break from their legacy if we want to succeed as a party.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:16 PM
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57. I absolutely agree. I think Hillary would only hurt him more in the GE.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 PM
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64. and yet Obama supporters were calling for Hillary to stand up
for him against the Wright thing. LOL....you guys are just too much.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:07 PM
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71. I wasn't one of those people.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #64
82. Yes, ironic, isn't it?
It's like telling someone you've beat up to save you when you're drowning.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 PM
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65. We have plenty of good options
Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
Jim Webb
Tim Kaine
Blanche Lincoln
Janet Napolitano
Wes Clark
Chris Dodd
Bob Graham
Evan Bayh
Kathleen Sebelius
Mary Landrieu
Anthony Zinni
Jane Harman
Ellen Tauscher
Martin O'Malley
Bob Kerrey
John Kerry
Ted Strickland
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:10 PM
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73. I like most of those choices. And like I said,
a woman would be a bonus (IMO). It would give all those women who just want to vote for another woman :eyes: someone to vote for and it would be a big "back of the hand" to Hillary for her dirty campaigning.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:18 PM
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81. A woman with some foreign policy/defense chops
That's why harmon (who chaired the Intelligence Committee) and Tauscher (who serves on Armed Services) came to mind.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:37 PM
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85. I agree. Good choices. n/t
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM
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68. I think she wouldn't be so horrible as VP.
she plays hardball and obama may need someone like that close to him to help him fight off attacks.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:12 PM
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77. I disagree. I think she'd ATTRACT attacks-all the ones from the past that Obama wants
to get away from-to get away from the OLD politics.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:09 PM
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72. If Obama thinks Hillary is bad, than there is no reason Hillary supporters should vote for Obama.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:15 PM
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78. I agree. But they probably WOULD vote for another woman as VP OR for Obama if Hillary endorsed him
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:16 PM by jenmito
to bring the party together.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:18 PM
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80. well, Hillary is at the bottom of the barrel, her endorsement doesn't mean much really
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:39 PM
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86. Not to me, but apparently to all those women who just want to vote for a woman.
:eyes:
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:41 PM
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89. those dumb women.
unlike those 90 percent of blacks voting for Obama because of his policies..
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:50 AM
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90. I guess you don't remember how HILLARY was winning the majority of the Black vote at first...
So they did NOT support him because of his race. He had to EARN their support. I guess some women just buy what Hillary tells them-she embodies change by being a woman. :eyes:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:10 PM
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74. I agree. Choosing her would be scraping the very bottom of the barrel.
He can do much, much better.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:12 PM
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76. well, I hope Obama says that to the Hillary supporters..
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:13 PM by AGirl
"If you want to support me in the general election, thats great, or you can continue to support your bottom of the barrel candidate"

Speaking on the spirit of unity, and etc.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:17 PM
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79. Yup. It's time the Clintons are out of presidential politics. Time for new blood.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:19 PM
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83. I am sure that will unite the democratic party..
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:35 PM
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84. Hillary has already torn it apart. It's her responsibility to help put it back together.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:40 PM
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87. lol.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:41 PM
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88. Let's see... here are some ideas
Well, she's not well-known and she's not political, not even a Democrat - but could be an interesting pick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Kwiatkowski

Or how about Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) who chairs the House Homeland Security committe now and formerly chaired the House Intelligence committes (and I think she was on the Armed Forces committee too, but I can't quite remember). She's maybe not quite as progressive as we would like but she has pretty good ratings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Harman

A "way off the reservation" idea is Chuck Hagel ... oh wait, he might be a Sect's of Defense candidate - and a Republican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

Chris Dodd

Bill Richardon







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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:57 AM
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92. Jane Harman seems like a good pick, but the other two wouldn't fit politically...
Kwiatowski is a Libertarian from your link, and Hagel's a Repub. who is too conservative on issues besides the war.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:51 AM
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91. she did not imply he was a muslim. please stop.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:59 AM
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93. Her camp did, with Sen. Kerrey claiming he went to a Madrassa, and SHE, when asked,
if she thought he was a Muslim, added, "as far as I KNOW" to her answer of "No," and "I take him at his word." :eyes:
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:08 PM
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94. then type her camp, not her or she.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:12 PM
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95. Did you read my post? She implied he MAY be Muslim by saying, "as far as I KNOW" he's not Muslim.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:24 PM
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97. she says that almost as much as she says YOU KNOW. when will people...
stop demonizing her. it makes me really dislike obama, even though i know it's not his fault. the only way i find i am able to take him seriously as a candidate is to stay away from DU. but unfortunately there is some information here i need. then i come back to get it and end up really disliking his candidacy because many of his supporters insist on demonizing her. it's a good thing november is far enough away hopefully i can't wrap my head around that he is not a reflection of his support. not meaning you specifically jenmito. i know people are disenchanted and that he speaks to thsoe people, but in general it can get very immature around here and when she become the "monster" and this and that from his supporters it's hard for me to not link the two. so for right now i really am disliking obama based on all the threads from obama supporters that are demonizing hillary, it's really too much. and i actually work on trying to like him.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:53 PM
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99. Really? I don't remember hearing her EVER using "as far as I know" when answering a question.
And if you're really influenced in your opinion of OBAMA because of what his SUPPORTERS say, I don't know what to say except that's not true with anyone I know in real life...as far as I know.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:51 PM
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101. i watch her a lot, and she says it a lot.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:01 PM
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102. Then it should be easy for you to find a transcript of her using it. I watch her a lot, too, and
don't recall her EVER saying it.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:55 PM
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105. googled "hillary debate transcript as far as i know' and it returned....
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 03:59 PM by annie1
several hits.

fficial&client=firefox-a" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=debate+hillary+transcrip...

and that's just debates, when someone asks her a question, she qualifies it with 'as far as i know' almost as a habit at this point depending how accusatory the question is or how it is asked, etc.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:55 PM
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109. It returned ONE quote many times. ONE. Point proven. n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:18 PM
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96. Naw, just encouraged the smear.
Her camp leaked that photo of Obama in Somali garb.

She herself equivocated when asked if Obama's a Muslim with that "as far as I know" crap.

Now she's switched to racist dogwhistling to the Archie Bunker demographic since the Obama-is-a-Muslim smear isn't sticking.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:40 PM
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98. only says matt drudge re: the photo. and again, her camp, not her.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM by annie1
and she says "as far as i know" about EVERYTHING. it's as common as "you know" when she starts a sentence.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:17 PM
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100. Can you quote ONE example of her saying, "As far as I know" about anything else? TIA.
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120cars Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:57 PM
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106. Clnton did not accuse Obama of being a drug dealer
Or of being a muslims. These are debunked myths.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:57 PM
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110. Clinton was on the stage with a supporter who DID. Same with the Madrassa comment, as`
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 04:58 PM by jenmito
well as her saying he's not a Muslim as far as she knows. :eyes:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:58 PM
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107. Yes. He needs a woman of integrity who wont sell him out.A true Democrat woman.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:59 PM
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108. Yes. He needs a woman of integrity who wont sell him out.A true Democrat woman...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 04:01 PM by cooolandrew
Nancy is looking good for VP at the moment.
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:47 PM
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112. Look's who talking?
Aren't you the guys that use RNC talking points, Republican urban legends to attack both Clintons.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:58 PM
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113. NO.
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