Obama should NOT offer Hillary VP slot. He can do MUCH better.

[jenmito]

If she was given the VP slot, her (and her husband) would be REWARDED for smearing Obama with implications of being a drug dealer, of being a Muslim, of saying something in private to the Canadians than he said in public here about NAFTA, about saying McCain met the CIC threshhold while Obama only has a speech he gave in 2002, etc.

He should choose someone with military experience who was against this war. Someone without the baggage the Clintons have. If there was a female that fit this description, that would be a bonus, but not a necessity.

[anonymous171]

1. But if he offered it to her now, she might take it and stop hurting the party.

[jenmito]

2. It would go against everything he stands for. The party elders should make her stop hurting the

party in one way or another.

[bilgewaterbill]

9. She's hurting the party because she wants POTUS.

She'll do anything to get elected. Nothing else matters.

[roguevalley]

104. she would never just be second. never.

[quinnox]

3. Fine, if by some miracle Obama survives these scandals

and the supers are dumb enough to hand him the nomination, then Hillary shouldn't be VP because Obama will most likely lose to McCain. So Hillary will not want to be on a ticket with damaged goods and can run again in 2012 without the taint of being on a losing ticket!

Yes, I agree, Hillary should not accept VP from Obama!

[jenmito]

4. He will. If you saw him speaking today in IN, you'd realize that. And Hillary has YET

to be vetted. Just you wait 'til the story turns to her continued refusal to release her past tax returns and First Lady documents, etc. SHE'LL be damaged beyond the point of winning in 2012, but I wouldn't put it past her to try. Afterall, she's not a Democrat as much as she's a Clintoncrat.

[quinnox]

5. Yes, an Obama and Hillary supporter agree

Hillary shouldn't be VP to Obama, we both agree although with different reasons.

[jenmito]

7. Good. I'm glad Hillary and all her surrogates finally stopped putting out the possibility of a

joint ticket (with her as president, of course).

[Road Scholar]

11. Thank you, but I don't think it was or will be offered. nt

[Hepburn]

21. Geeeeeeeee.....

...do I EVER smell the Hillary '12 flavor in this post...

Makes me think that just maybe a certain queen is behind the shit that is going on.

[MattBaggins]

46. Little problem with your idea

Sharks and vultures.

Clinton was the ordained one. If she fails now she will be viewed as the loser and if Obama were to lose the GE; in 2012 there would be a line around the block of Dems ready to eat her alive.

[loveangelc]

70. by some miracle? lol.....................

[dailykoff]

6. He's up against the entire establishment at this point.

Having a Clinton snooping around sure won't help him fight it.

[jenmito]

8. He sure is. And remember when team Clinton tried calling HIM the "establishment

candidate"?

[depakid]

44. I have news -it wasn't "team Clinton" that noticed his pattern of ingratiating himself

and going along to get along, rather than standing up for tradition Democratic values during his tenure in the Senate....

or in respect to many of the policy positions and talking points he adopted.

[dailykoff]

51. Right. Guess they're giving that one a rest

for now at least.

[jenmito]

55. I guess they saw that one didn't stick. n/t

[Whisp]

10. a scorpion would be a safer bet for VP than Hillary.

she not to be trusted - everything is about her and billy and their own personal needs.

in fact I'd go one further and hope that she loses her Senate seat - she is one despicable piece of &&%^$%!

[Hepburn]

22. I was gonna say angry poisonous snake....

...but scorpion will do!

[goclark]

111. Correction ~ it would be the first time we would have Co Vice

Presidents ~

That is what it would be .
Didn't Princess Diana say, "there were 3 people in the marriage?"

Well can you imagine Bill Clinton setting up Cabinet meetings, telling him what to do, going behind his back.

No ~ a thousand times no.

[Rockholm]

12. Not to worry. He won't have the chance.

[thoughtcrime1984]

13. Sure, he will

Despite extreme desperation, her goose is cooked.

[jenmito]

14. I'm not worried. He won't choose her.

[Kahuna]

103. You forgot just one little thing...

[BuyingThyme]

15. He should have her investigated for plotting with the Canadians

to rig the primaries.

If she's involved, we can send her to prison.

[jenmito]

16. I'd settle for having her release her tax returns...

it may have the same effect!

[samrock]

17. You people are nutz!!

You want to see McCain get most of the Hispanic vote, women vote, over 50 vote???

Nearly half of this party supports Hillary.. IF you think spiting on their choice will get them to support yours ... Please say hello to Pres McCain..

and to those who say "Oh no!!! he can't pick Hillary .. she will see that he has an xcident so she can be pres" .. Please step away from the bong.. take off your aluminum foil hats or just go to Rush-ditto-head-land now..

The job BOTH B.O. and H.C. signed up for when they declared themselves candidates was to get a Democrat as our next Pres.. They are adults and better SUCK it up.. only 1 way I see this happening with this party getting soo divided.. and that is a unified ticket.. I really do not care which name comes 1st.. They got us here.. it is up to THEM to get us out of this dead end.. Both have to can their DAMN egos.. We MUST not allow McCain to win.. for the sake of those brave men/women in Iraq looking get the hell home... For the sake of the next 1-2 supreme court picks.. for the sake of an energy policy that does not take all the money out of our pockets and hand it to Exxon, for the sake of moving the football down the field toward universal health care!!..

[jenmito]

18. Don't worry. She'll support Obama and tell her supporters she hopes they'll vote for Obama.

And all will be right with the world. Or at least much better than if anyone else was president.

[rodeodance]

20. and since you are such a good Democrat you will vote for Hillary now won't you.

[jenmito]

23. As YOU always say, "Please stick to the topic of the OP." (See how ridiculous that sounds?)

[rodeodance]

30. see how you looked yesterday---that was the purpose. I have achieved my goal. thank you.

As YOU always say, "Please stick to the topic of the OP." (See how ridiculous that sounds?)
Posted by jenmito

[jenmito]

33. Um, no. There's actually nothing wrong with your question. But you obviously missed the point.

Did you miss where I said, "See how ridiculous that sounds?"

[polmaven]

63. You have yet to answer the question, however.

Since you found "nothing wrong" with the question, and since I have never posted that you ought to stick to the OP, I will ask it. since you are such a good Democrat you will vote for Hillary now won't you?

[jenmito]

69. At this point, if she STEALS the nomination by bribing/strong-arming the SDs to go

against the will of the people, I will NOT vote for her (or anyone else). If she manages to win it fair and square (more pledged delegates) I suppose I would.

[Drachasor]

62. If Hillary wins the nomination and at least has the popular vote, I'll vote for her in the general

It's a much tougher choice if Obama has the popular vote and pledged delegate lead and somehow Hillary gets the nomination (but I think that scenario is even less likely than Hillary getting the popular vote).

[rodeodance]

19. Your post gets the Hateful award for the day.

[jenmito]

24. Please stick to the topic of the OP.

[rodeodance]

28. oh but i did--i saw hate

[ProSense]

31. LOL! n/t

[jenmito]

34. :-D

[niyad]

25. he hasn't gotten the nomination yet

[jenmito]

27. He will.

[niyad]

37. perhaps. nothing is a certainty. and he needs to turn in a better

performance than he did last night on KO.

[jenmito]

47. He did very well. Just like on the other shows...and during his town hall today...

where they gave him a standing ovation after talking about the subject.

[metalluk]

26. Correct..

Obama, if he wins the nomination, should not pick Hillary as his running mate. I doubt she would accept the offer and it would be a major waste of her talents.

Picking a V.P. with military experience would do nothing to shore up concerns about Obama's lack of experience because the V.P. has no official role in military decisions. He/she merely presides over the Senate. Cheney has been an exception because he's the #2 behind an incompetent bozo. Gore was given more of a role as V.P. than most, but it was still quite limied.

One way that Obama could increase his credibility for the position of President during the General Election would be to name his intended candidates for Defense Secretary and Secretary of State. If those folks were highly experienced and respected individuals, it might make a difference, but naming a cabinet before being elected would be ususual. I doubt he will do it.

Obama has very little chance of winning the General Election, having made himself vulnerable on multiple accounts: lack of experience, association with a racist, anti-American Pastor, and repeated disconnects between campaign rhetoric and his actual beliefs, according to his own campaign aides. Clinton's attacks on Obama have been restrained by his being a fellow Democrat. McCain will have no such restraints and the pounding Obama takes will be unrelenting. His coat of armor is already acquiring dents and has lost its glossy sheen.

[jenmito]

32. Thanks for your analysis, but...

I disagree that a VP pick doesn't matter. Even if it's psychological, it will matter.

And he could choose both a VP AND members of his cabinet.

He does NOT have very little chance of winning the GE. He's not vulnerable on lack of experience-he can point not only to his judgement but to his supporters who are generals, his work on different committees, and past presidents with little experience in certain areas.

I don't think Rev. Wright is a racist. I think you're confusing racism with Black pride/recognition. Wright doesn't think his race is SUPERIOR to white people, but points out the struggles his race have gone through to get to even where they are today. And I don't think he hates America, either. He just hates its policies. Like Ron Paul. He doesn't blame 9/11 on abortion or gay people. He blames it on our foreign policies, which I think is right. And once Obama starts debating McCain, people will flock to him and run from McCain.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

29. Pelosi ruled out an Obama/Clinton ticket, said Hillary had endorsed McCain

so it would only damage the ticket even more than all of the other dirt and shit slung so
far.

[jenmito]

35. That's right. She also ruled out the reverse. n/t

[grantcart]

36. If Hillary were to take it she would lose all of the GE money she has sitting there

instead of keeping it for future elections - $ 30 million. Somehow I don't think she really wants it.

[BlueJac]

38. I agree

Clinton will hurt the chances. Every Republican I know hates the Clintons.

[jenmito]

50. Same here, Dems., too, now! n/t

[ProSense]

39. Obama needs a pair of scissors

[rodeodance]

53. That would be VIOLENT action -- She is Dem Pres. candidate. SHAME ON YOU

[jenmito]

59. Cutting a symbolic rope is a violent action??? GET REAL!

[SoxFan]

66. SHAME ON YOU ,JENMITO!

I wag my finger in your general direction!

[jenmito]

67. You're right...

And I LOVE Colbert!

[ProSense]

60. It's a cartoon! More:

[Major Hogwash]

75. Hahahaha! Now, that is funny!

The political cartoonists are having a heyday with Hillary.

[cbayer]

40. I think the only way WE (democrats) get out of this mess is with a joint ticket.

And I don't care who is in which position.

There will be unhappy people on both sides if it happens, but this ridiculous divisiveness within the party, as so amply exemplified at DU, can only be cured by the two candidates teaming up.

I hope they have the wisdom to do it.

[jenmito]

56. I disagree. Obama's irreplaceable. Hillary's not. If she supports him, it should be ok.

[cbayer]

61. Nice response.

Much to come, isn't there.


Peace.

[my3boyz]

41. I swear to you that if he chooses her I'm not sure I can vote for him

I detest her that much! I mean I absolutely can't stand that __________. He should not trust her as far as he could throw her! She would probably try to mess him up while she was out there stumping (supposedly for the ticket) so he would lose and she could run again in 4 years! I don't trust her or Bill anymore!

[Scurrilous]

42. K & R

[depakid]

43. Those two are simply not a good fit either way

and in the event there's a compromise candidate chosen at the convention, neither one should be on the ticket.

[MzShellG]

45. For sure.....I suggest Sen. Kerry.

His military experience will help against McLame. If McLame chooses Condoleeza Rice, this will add yet another twist. Should be interesting.

[akbacchus_BC]

48. No he shouldn't! He should reach over and ask Richardson to be

the VP. In my opinion (just my opinion) that would be a great ticket, assuming Senator Obama is the nominee. It is not over yet.

[boston bean]

49. Don't worry he won't be in a position to offer her anything. nt

[rodeodance]

54. see post # 39 --this should not be allowed

[jenmito]

58. WHAT are you TALKING about???

[Radical Activist]

52. Its time for the Democratic Party to chart a new and better course without the Clintons.

Other than getting himself elected, Bill Clinton did nothing but damage that Democratic Party. We need a break from their legacy if we want to succeed as a party.

[Blondiegrrl]

57. I absolutely agree. I think Hillary would only hurt him more in the GE.

[BlackVelvet04]

64. and yet Obama supporters were calling for Hillary to stand up

for him against the Wright thing. LOL....you guys are just too much.

[jenmito]

71. I wasn't one of those people.

[NastyRiffraff]

82. Yes, ironic, isn't it?

It's like telling someone you've beat up to save you when you're drowning.

[SoxFan]

65. We have plenty of good options

Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
Jim Webb
Tim Kaine
Blanche Lincoln
Janet Napolitano
Wes Clark
Chris Dodd
Bob Graham
Evan Bayh
Kathleen Sebelius
Mary Landrieu
Anthony Zinni
Jane Harman
Ellen Tauscher
Martin O'Malley
Bob Kerrey
John Kerry
Ted Strickland

[jenmito]

73. I like most of those choices. And like I said,

a woman would be a bonus (IMO). It would give all those women who just want to vote for another woman someone to vote for and it would be a big "back of the hand" to Hillary for her dirty campaigning.

[SoxFan]

81. A woman with some foreign policy/defense chops

That's why harmon (who chaired the Intelligence Committee) and Tauscher (who serves on Armed Services) came to mind.

[jenmito]

85. I agree. Good choices. n/t

[loveangelc]

68. I think she wouldn't be so horrible as VP.

she plays hardball and obama may need someone like that close to him to help him fight off attacks.

[jenmito]

77. I disagree. I think she'd ATTRACT attacks-all the ones from the past that Obama wants

to get away from-to get away from the OLD politics.

[AGirl]

72. If Obama thinks Hillary is bad, than there is no reason Hillary supporters should vote for Obama.

[jenmito]

78. I agree. But they probably WOULD vote for another woman as VP OR for Obama if Hillary endorsed him

to bring the party together.

[AGirl]

80. well, Hillary is at the bottom of the barrel, her endorsement doesn't mean much really

[jenmito]

86. Not to me, but apparently to all those women who just want to vote for a woman.

[AGirl]

89. those dumb women.

unlike those 90 percent of blacks voting for Obama because of his policies..

[jenmito]

90. I guess you don't remember how HILLARY was winning the majority of the Black vote at first...

So they did NOT support him because of his race. He had to EARN their support. I guess some women just buy what Hillary tells them-she embodies change by being a woman.

[Arugula Latte]

74. I agree. Choosing her would be scraping the very bottom of the barrel.

He can do much, much better.

[AGirl]

76. well, I hope Obama says that to the Hillary supporters..

"If you want to support me in the general election, thats great, or you can continue to support your bottom of the barrel candidate"

Speaking on the spirit of unity, and etc.

[jenmito]

79. Yup. It's time the Clintons are out of presidential politics. Time for new blood.

[AGirl]

83. I am sure that will unite the democratic party..

[jenmito]

84. Hillary has already torn it apart. It's her responsibility to help put it back together.

[AGirl]

87. lol.

[housewolf]

88. Let's see... here are some ideas

Well, she's not well-known and she's not political, not even a Democrat - but could be an interesting pick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Kwiatkowski

Or how about Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) who chairs the House Homeland Security committe now and formerly chaired the House Intelligence committes (and I think she was on the Armed Forces committee too, but I can't quite remember). She's maybe not quite as progressive as we would like but she has pretty good ratings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Harman

A "way off the reservation" idea is Chuck Hagel ... oh wait, he might be a Sect's of Defense candidate - and a Republican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

Chris Dodd

Bill Richardon

[jenmito]

92. Jane Harman seems like a good pick, but the other two wouldn't fit politically...

Kwiatowski is a Libertarian from your link, and Hagel's a Repub. who is too conservative on issues besides the war.

[annie1]

91. she did not imply he was a muslim. please stop.

[jenmito]

93. Her camp did, with Sen. Kerrey claiming he went to a Madrassa, and SHE, when asked,

if she thought he was a Muslim, added, "as far as I KNOW" to her answer of "No," and "I take him at his word."

[annie1]

94. then type her camp, not her or she.

[jenmito]

95. Did you read my post? She implied he MAY be Muslim by saying, "as far as I KNOW" he's not Muslim.

[annie1]

97. she says that almost as much as she says YOU KNOW. when will people...

stop demonizing her. it makes me really dislike obama, even though i know it's not his fault. the only way i find i am able to take him seriously as a candidate is to stay away from DU. but unfortunately there is some information here i need. then i come back to get it and end up really disliking his candidacy because many of his supporters insist on demonizing her. it's a good thing november is far enough away hopefully i can't wrap my head around that he is not a reflection of his support. not meaning you specifically jenmito. i know people are disenchanted and that he speaks to thsoe people, but in general it can get very immature around here and when she become the "monster" and this and that from his supporters it's hard for me to not link the two. so for right now i really am disliking obama based on all the threads from obama supporters that are demonizing hillary, it's really too much. and i actually work on trying to like him.

[jenmito]

99. Really? I don't remember hearing her EVER using "as far as I know" when answering a question.

And if you're really influenced in your opinion of OBAMA because of what his SUPPORTERS say, I don't know what to say except that's not true with anyone I know in real life...as far as I know.

[annie1]

101. i watch her a lot, and she says it a lot.

[jenmito]

102. Then it should be easy for you to find a transcript of her using it. I watch her a lot, too, and

don't recall her EVER saying it.

[annie1]

105. googled "hillary debate transcript as far as i know' and it returned....

several hits.

fficial&client=firefox-a" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=debate+hillary+transcrip...

and that's just debates, when someone asks her a question, she qualifies it with 'as far as i know' almost as a habit at this point depending how accusatory the question is or how it is asked, etc.

[jenmito]

109. It returned ONE quote many times. ONE. Point proven. n/t

[backscatter712]

96. Naw, just encouraged the smear.

Her camp leaked that photo of Obama in Somali garb.

She herself equivocated when asked if Obama's a Muslim with that "as far as I know" crap.

Now she's switched to racist dogwhistling to the Archie Bunker demographic since the Obama-is-a-Muslim smear isn't sticking.

[annie1]

98. only says matt drudge re: the photo. and again, her camp, not her.

and she says "as far as i know" about EVERYTHING. it's as common as "you know" when she starts a sentence.

[jenmito]

100. Can you quote ONE example of her saying, "As far as I know" about anything else? TIA.

[120cars]

106. Clnton did not accuse Obama of being a drug dealer

Or of being a muslims. These are debunked myths.

[jenmito]

110. Clinton was on the stage with a supporter who DID. Same with the Madrassa comment, as`

well as her saying he's not a Muslim as far as she knows.

[cooolandrew]

107. Yes. He needs a woman of integrity who wont sell him out.A true Democrat woman.

[cooolandrew]

108. Yes. He needs a woman of integrity who wont sell him out.A true Democrat woman...

Nancy is looking good for VP at the moment.

[jconner27]

112. Look's who talking?

Aren't you the guys that use RNC talking points, Republican urban legends to attack both Clintons.

[jenmito]

113. NO.