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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:19 PM
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BREAKING: New "anti-America" quote from black minister dug up
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:20 PM by democrattotheend
"America is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today."

New quote dug up from one of Wright's sermons? Not quite. That was Martin Luther King back in 1967, protesting the Vietnam War. King also said that whites were practicing "psychological and spiritual genocide" when he visited Chicago. Would we have demanded that Obama denounce King had he lived back then?

Obama's pastor made comments that are inexcusable, but he is also a respected figure who has done a lot of good for his community. He was not some radical pariah, as the media is now making him out to be in questioning Obama's decision to associate with that particular church.

Folks, wake up! This attack on Obama's choice of church is a right wing smear. It is a swiftboat attack and we all need to stand up against it. Obama supporters, I urge you to stop blaming Clinton or attacking her supporters and help defend Obama. Clinton supporters, I urge you to stand with us against a right swing smear instead of rubbing this in our faces and bragging about how it makes him "unelectable". They will keep attacking whichever candidate gets the nomination with crap like this, and we all need to stand together as Democrats to fight against these attacks if we hope to avoid a repeat of 2004. Your candidate declined to participate in this right wing smear, and I would hope that her supporters would be as dignified about it as she was.

So who's with me? Who will stand with me in repudiating this right wing crap and remembering that we are all Democrats and need to stand up for both of our candidates against swiftboat attacks from the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh and their ilk?
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:20 PM
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1. Excellent , well written post.
Thank you!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:13 AM
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97. Did MLK ever say anything close to ,"God Damn America.".
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:31 AM by Tellurian
See this is the thing that is irritating to me about Obama. He can never stand on his own. He always refers back to metaphorical examples relying on them to soften the impact of a charge leveled against him... even Hillary, when it's politically expedient for him to wipe the egg off his face.

Now a lateral move likening Wright to MLK..ick! I doubt anyone is buying that Leap of Faith!
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:31 PM
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107. You're soiling your britches...
with your blatant partisanship, and it stinks to high heaven.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM
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113. It must be your own britches...if the smell is that odorous..
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:26 PM
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120. what are you doing soiling his britches?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:05 PM
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127. No way you're going to shit in my britches.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #107
126. delete
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 07:05 PM by rateyes
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #97
125. Do you honestly believe that god didn't damn America when he gave us dubya? Personally......
I'm an atheist and could care less about what religious leader says while standing on the pulpit.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:20 PM
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2. MLK's grandson's neighbor should denounce this comment!
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:22 PM
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4. Not enough. He must "reject" it too!
;-)
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:21 PM
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3. I'm really tired of hearing this wright thing called "swfitboating"
his comments are real, unlike the complete lies of the swiftboaters against kerry. slight difference here.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:23 PM
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6. So were Martin's
wake up and smell it, regardles of who gets the nod... this will CONTINUE

Hell, wanna bet there is impeachment in the wings?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:28 PM
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12. WRIGHT'S quotes, not Obama's
Big difference.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:35 PM
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18. I specified wright, in case you didn't notice
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:58 AM
Response to Reply #18
76. No, these were ***MLK's*** comments. Slow learners on DU today
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:28 PM
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13. That was the original meaning.
But now that it's a mainstream pejorative, it has multiple meanings. Kind of like being "Dixie Chicked".

http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Swiftboat
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:19 PM
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61. Those were the swiftboaters making comments on camera, remember?
They distorted in matters of opinion.

The Wright thing is being distorted in matters of context.

Do you know enough about the church to know if the sermons were appropriate?
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #3
67. And his comments are just as irrelevant to Obama
as the Swiftboater's lies were to Kerry. Same intent, same result.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:58 AM
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83. Swiftboating is EXACTLY what this is and it needs to stop. NOW!!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:22 PM
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5. Obama supporters, please help recommend on DailyKos
I wrote a more extensive diary on this but am afraid it's going to get buried.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/15/145016/095/583/...

Let's keep these King quotes out there to help give this some perspective.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:30 PM
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48. all done!
great diary!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:24 PM
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7. Let me see if I've got this straight....
He attended the church for 20 years...
He considers the man his mentor....
He was married by this "minister"....
His children were baptised by him as well....
His wife has never been proud of her country....
He refused to say the pledge of alligence...
He won't wear a flag pin on his lepel....
He never heard these comments...
He never knew his minister's views....

So either he is a liar or he is totally stupid....

Either way..... he cannot be the nominee.....

oh i got it figured out.....when his two girls were small and they had to be changed obama took them to the changing room and the preacher then started his hate speeches....uh huh......i would like to know if obama was in the church on sunday september 16th and the preacher man said america caused all this and things are coming home to roost.....now obama said he never heard preacher man wright speak any anti america, anti white, anti jew, anti israel......i hope they can prove this man is a reprobate and he go away.....
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:26 PM
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9. "He refused to say the pledge of alligence".... I'm not going to let you get away with this lie....

Sorry, Bendavid.... you know that at least this one item in your "list" has absolutely NO truth to it.


He has NEVER refused to say the pledge of allegiance.


Please provide a source, other than the "Obama is a secret muslim" spam emails that the Hillary campaign put out all last year.

This has been covered at snopes.com.... he has NEVER refused to say the pledge.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 AM
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92. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #92
123. Why do you people continue going after Hillary supporters to get them tombstoned?
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Did you cut'n'paste that off Rush's site
Or did you type it in yourself? Just curious?
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. Is that you Jomentum?
You Clinton folk are all the same, weak.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:43 PM
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22. delete - dupe -sorry.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:44 PM by cbayer
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. They are not all the same.
Anymore than Obama supporters are all the same.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:39 PM
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20. even if he doesn't say the pledge, so what? I don't--I refuse to
swear a loyalty oath. he doesn't wear a flag pin? so what? I find the little flap pins offensive, as they seem to imply a kind of uncritical, unthinking loyalty, no matter what. and, frankly, seeing that smirking chimp wearing one, and all the members of his admin, with everything they are doing to destroy this country, makes me sick.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
57. Which was Obama's point ... that the wearing of these lapel pins ...
... seemed to be a substitute for actual, intelligent patriotic thought and action.

e.g. ignorantly going along with invading Iraq because going along seemed to be the patriotic thing to do, at the time.
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damndude Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:21 AM
Response to Reply #57
79. nailed it
the pin has come to represent a brand placed on sheep practically. the idea you must prove love of your country with silent statements is the worst kind of patriotism to me. it's been a marketing tool and a thought control tool to suppress questions of government activities as un american.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #57
85. As usual, Obama nails it!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #20
115. You're not running for President.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #7
28. Stop lying, you Lieberdem scumbag. He never refused to say
the pledge of allegiance.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. I don't think you and I have never agreed on much. But I gotta ask.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:22 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
What the fuck is up with some people here? On the one hand Obama is some nefarious closet republican. On the other one we're now supposed to be scared of him because some sort of Christian "black panther".
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
58. It's not about the "Unified Theory of Obama" ...
... it's about slinging as much mud as possible, and betting that each throw nets a few more votes.

A little muslim email here, a little Christian equivocating there, a dash of black nationalist, a sprinkle of atheism... and you hope that you can convince enough superdelegates that Obama has just become too darned controversial for the general public to accept him.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. Some people have lost their shit.
Others never had it.

And others are just Republicans.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
42. You might still have time to wipe off some of the drool and edit that garbage
you posted.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
56. I must step away from DU ...
... to shower, after reading such a vile compilation of smear and lies. Just revolting.

I would think that you would agree that the content of a person's character and being isn't based upon the symbol worn on their lapel or sleeve.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
62. Welcome to ignore.
I have no time for people who refuse to honestly represent simple facts.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
64. Hillary' sarcasm is rubbing off on you.
Are the skies opening up at your house?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:33 AM
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68. Way to lie and twist the facts!! You've outed yourself as a fake Democrat!
BenDavid, you are on the WRONG website.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #7
69. So you've spent a lot of time at Wright's church, eh?
Or are you basing your entire opinion of his church and Obama's experience at the church on a few seconds of video you saw on YouTube?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #7
74. "He refused to say the pledge of alligence..."
I too can't believe you would repeat that lie.
You know it's a lie and yet you tell it. Why should anyone
believe any of the rest of your posts if you post lies like that?

Looks to me like Obama's not the liar, you are.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #7
77. What does this rant have to do with MLK's comments which you so obviously disagree with?
You wouldn't be caught dead seeking spiritual advice from MLK would you?
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
78. It's obvious that you hate Barack Obama.
I have no respect for someone who posts downright lies about a Democrat here.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #7
87. see, at first I thought you just some lame newbie...
but your profile shows that you've been here longer than I have... so you have no excuse for the bullshit you posted. Goodbye.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #7
90. You are so full of shit your eyes are brown...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #7
94. Bingo! That's the WHOLE point - it's obama's LIES about this that are the problem
along with the PATTERN of this crap, beginning with mcglurkin - which he STILL has not apologized to the gay community for, and don't forget REZKO which is JUST HEATING UP.

No matter what the obamabots wish - this is NOT over by a LONG SHOT...
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #7
98. Sounds like a RW briefing list.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #7
108. yeah, he was in the bathroom changing his kids just like he's in the bathroom on all the tough votes
as a politician! :)


actually the truth is Rev. Wrong would check Obama's schedule and see when he was out of town and then, and only then, would preech the hate so you see, BO really didn't know about it. :)
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:35 PM
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109. You're the liar.
Let's see evidence of your charges that Michele Obama has "never been proud of her country." Go to youtube and search for Obama+leading pledge, and take a look at him leading the Senate in the pledge of allegiance. The "lapel pin" smear is just that---a damned smear. Prove he heard the comments in question.

Of course, you probably know these things...you just want to inflict damage, even if you have to lie about it.

What a jerk.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
116. Who are you and
why are you here?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:25 PM
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8. I'm tired of Dr. King being mischaracterized as some kind of wimp.
Dr. King was a fighter in every sense of the word and with every fiber of his being. Non-violence did not keep him from fighting in another sense, and his fight was for justice. He certainly recognized injustice and spoke against it, as did Rev. Wright (although less eloquently, of course).

Sean Hannity's "Dr. King" is a convenient plaything to be dragged out every now and then and used to beat over the head those who still fight for justice. And that's all that King represents to Hannity and his fellow travelers, some of whom seem to have found DU.

At the last week has shown so very vividly.

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. just like Mahatma
the only fight is to control one's ego
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #8
59. Interesting thought...
... exactly what *is* Rev. Wright's arrest record? I would think that such a dangerous, hateful person has certainly been handcuffed a few times for inciting riots and the like.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. Your post is ugly. You sure this is what you want to be known here for?
Ever hear of Bull Connor?

He was never arrested or handcuffed. That makes him OK in your book.

Your post is as ugly as it gets.

You may not know it, but a lot of African-Americans the same age as Rev. Wright were once arrested, about 50 years ago.




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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #65
122. Well, certainly not for the meaning that you inferred
The point that I attempted to make, poorly it would appear, is that I'm sure any cursory review of Wright's actual actions would reveal no more than him being your typical activist community leader.

However ill-worded above, I'm OK w/ my other posts on the Wright "issue." The only thing he can be reasonably criticized for is his apparent support, in church sermons, for a specific candidate. And I consider it unfortunate that Obama felt the need to distance himself from Wright, who appears to simply be putting voice to widely espoused views, albeit with more energy and emotion than many people find comfortable. (And it appears we're supposed to choose our candidate based on maintaining the status quo of everyone's comfort levels.)
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #8
71. Yes. It takes a lot more strength to keep a level head and avoid violence
than to give in to emotion and gut instincts and attack. There are a lot of people in this world who could learn a LOT from Dr. King if they would just listen.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #8
73. Few of us can speak as eloquently as Dr. King could
He was one of the greatest orators of all time.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
124. Dr King never said "God Damn America"!
Wright is going to regret ever having said those words. Can't you tell, how the Republicans are gearing up for the Obama attacks if he is the nominee?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:27 PM
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10. Great post.
How about sending it as a letter to the editor for the times or wsj and other newspapers?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:30 PM
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14. That's a good idea
I've been focusing on the blogs right now. Please rec my diary on DailyKos if you have an account. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/15/145016/095/583/...
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:55 PM
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31. Recommended on Kos
Great point. :thumbsup:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:10 PM
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41. Thanks!
What's your username there?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:31 PM
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15. Laugh out loud! k&r
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:32 PM
Response to Original message
16. Nice Post But Many Clinton Supporters Have Been
using it to attack Obama and are helping to keep this BS going.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:47 PM
Original message
I would say some, but not many.
They have just been over the top and their behavior is embarrassing. The OP asks that we stand together and I strongly support that. It's not a good start to bash Clinton supporters.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
21. Until you find a quote that MLK says "Rich White Folks" are responsible
for the World's problems and that LBJ and Nixon never had to worry about hailing a cab because they were white...then I'll believe it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Martin Luther King didn't have to say what you are saying, because there was no doubt!

I always thought of you as a progressive, KoKo01, but no longer. Pushing McCarthism, which is all that this is.

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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:03 PM
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35. To me those are the least objectionable things the Reverend said
Look at our politics and the richest people in the Country. With very, very, very few exceptions, they are all rich and white (on he national scale, even if you include State governors).

I don't doubt that white people generally have an easier time than blacks at getting a cab overall.

It seems kind of crazy for white people to object to black people pointing out the massive racial disparities in our country. Is it really so wrong for them to talk about it?

For someone from the Civil Rights movement to say these things, I find it completely understandable. Now, Obama realizes this way of looking at our problems is not very productive. He seems to look at things from a more socio-economic standard, which is definitely the more pragmatic approach.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:09 PM
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40. Rev. Wright should have pointed out that it was "Folks in Power in the
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:09 PM by KoKo01
Military/Industrial Complex and Media who are oppressing folks and that there are demons and oppressors and invaders of every color who have raped and pillaged the Worlds Poor. That's a message I agree with and that the US has been a part of it and part of what contributed to the 9/11 attack on us. But there are people of all races and colors who have been part of this. It isn't just "rich white folks." That is segmenting people of one type for hate speech. Why did he need to do this? It's preaching separatism.

Also pushing one candidate over another in Church is not what most of us would see as part of a religious experience. Pointing out that some politicians are better at their concern for average folks, the oppressed and disadvantaged would be the way to do that if he wanted to bring in Politics. But, saying that Hillary had never known fear hailing a cab because she's "white" is ridiculous and demeaning because I can tell you I've lived in cities where I had to take a cab at odd hours and I was very afraid. Not of Black people...but who might be out there looking for a woman to mug or rob. He shouldn't have brought her name into it at all...but to say that she had never been afaid being out there when she is a woman was insensitive to the issues women face. Hell, there are men who probably are afraid to catch a cab in cities at odd hours...
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:52 PM
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117. When do you think Hillary hailed a cab?
Just wondering if you are even listening to yourself.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:39 PM
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111. and video of him humping a podium making fun of a President of the United States
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:46 PM
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24. I agree, but Limbaugh, Hannity and the Clinton supporters
are now on the same side in their efforts to bring Obama down. It even appears, that many have taken to watching Faux News hoping for more dirt on Barack.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:49 PM
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27. Once again I object to this kind of broadbrush portrayal of Clinton supporters
It's not true, it's not helpful.

The OP asks that supporters on both sides stand together on this. Bashing Hillary supporters is not a good way to start.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:06 PM
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37. Excuse me, I forgot the "some" again
certainly not all Clinton supporters have resorted to such tactics, but you can't deny some have.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:08 PM
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38. Yes some have.
And i would not object for a minute to your addressing them directly. It is the smears that I find objectionable. On both sides.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:56 PM
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32. For Christ's sake, this is what I am calling on Obama supporters to stop
If we are going to get through this election we all need to start defending our candidates against right wing smears. I am asking Clinton supporters to join with us in defending Obama. Your comment only serves to antagonize them.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:48 PM
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53. I don't support either of them, I'll vote for either I guess
But you know, not many Democrats in general, and Obama supporters in particular, stood up with gay Democrats to oppose the use of McClurkin, a well known Bush backer and gay basher by Obama. I in fact sent a letter to the Obama campaign telling them my exact background-they know people I know- and informing them that I would not be rushing to defend the Jerimiah scene when that story popped if they did not apologize for using Caldwell and McClurkin and promise not to do so any more. They basically said 'we don't need gay votes that badly, thanks much.'.
So I think it is up to Donnie McClurkin to explain Wright, and I am sure he will do a great job.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:42 PM
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112. where are you guys when she get smeared, geesh, you Obots are amazing. If there's a trumped charge
against HC you all come out of the woodworks talking like Limpballs himself.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:47 PM
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25. K & R. n/t
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:52 PM
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29. We must remind people that America is not perfect and only by acknowledging shortcomings
can we move forward & not be condemned to repeat the past
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:54 PM
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30. I would like to point out that this is 2008, not 1967
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:54 PM by Texas Hill Country
While I agree that racism still exists, it is much different than 40 years ago.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:57 PM
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33. why in the world would I stand up and defend a man I think
is a complete fake? And after the swiftboating of Hillary right here on this forum I think it takes a hell of a lot of gall to ask us to defend Obama. When have any Obama supporters EVER stood up for Hillary? She has been accused of being the one to bring out all this stuff about Obama when it was OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain it was the rightwing doing it.
She's been called a bitch, a c**t, a rightwinger, and I don't even remember what else.

We TOLD YOU GUYS this was going to happen, but NO you knew better. We also TOLD you that you were going to need the Hillary Supporters, but NO you and your perfect candidate had it covered and told us to take a hike.

It's a damn messy bed that has been made....enjoy laying in it.



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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:06 PM
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36. I have stood up for Hillary, called out Obama supporters, and reminded them that we will need you
just as you will need us if she gets the nomination.

I have called out Obama supporters who have made sexist remarks, encouraged them yesterday to stop blaming Hillary for this without proof, have decried the use of derogatory names such as "Hillbots", and have defended Clinton when I thought it was warranted. People like you make me wonder why I bother.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:12 PM
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43. So, one person out of a hundred.....
well, thanks, but it hardly makes a dent. I don't write down what each poster says and keep score....sorry.



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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:13 PM
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44. I don't think anyone would expect you...
to do anything to help Senator Obama. You have made your opinions perfectly clear. I'm sorry that people have used inappropriate language to express their displeasure regarding Senator Clinton's words or actions. Unfortunately when acerbic, caustic words are used to deride a human being people often respond in kind. I doubt it will stop until the angry invectives with racial overtones stop.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:18 PM
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46. the nasty comments about Hillary Clinton started way
before any racial overtones and it wasn't Hillary that started the racial crap.

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:22 PM
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47. "He started it!" "No, she started it!" "Not fair, he started it!"
With attitudes like this, how are we ever going to come together to defeat John McCain in the fall? Can we not lose sight of the big picture here? This is about people's lives who will be effected by who the next president is! Is it really worth it to you to let Obama go down and have McCain win just to get even with some obnoxious posters on an online message board?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:34 PM
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51. It doesn't have anything to do with the
obnoxious supporters....I said I wouldn't support him before I even knew GD: P existed. He's a fake.

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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:40 AM
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91. I feel ya...nothing Hillary can do or say that would get me or my family to the polls to
vote for her!

I think she's a fake, a liar, a panderer and a sell out... I refuse to fake the funk for solidarity. I can't stand her. But that's just me.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:59 AM
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104. and hillary is genuine!!11! nt
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:05 AM
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84. Well said. Obama knows how to reach out and heal wounds.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:47 PM
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52. Before Iowa I would have been...
happy with any of the candidates. By the time Nevada came around it was pretty much all over for me and it has gone down hill ever since. I can post you some articles when the first apologies were made by the Clinton Campaign, and it has not let up one bit. I have no reason to think it will, as many seem to enjoy this kind of thing. It is very hurtful, but who cares? As long as the right candidate wins.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:59 PM
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34. And now we have a Day named after him,
posthumously.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:16 PM
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45. And within a year of making those statements
Rev King was assassinated. If you are a Black popular leader and you say things that scare the White power structure, you took your life in your hands. King had to go. Physically.

There are political assassinations, as well. This is one.





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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:32 PM
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49. Would we have demanded that Obama denounce King had he lived back then?
I imagine that you would see significant outcry from one campaign bent on winning at any cost, so , yeah. I have no doubt.

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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:47 PM
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114. again, to try and compare Rev Wrong with MLK is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Have you ever
spent any quality time reading the speeches, sermons, and interviews of Dr. King? I've spent hours doing this, he was a true American Hero and martyr. There is no comparison.

Please stop with the comparisons.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:32 PM
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50. K&R
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:39 PM
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54. Yep, just as I was saying earlier.... direct from MLK's "Beyond Vietnam" speech
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobrea...

    My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettoes of the North over the last three years -- especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:42 PM
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55. I would argue that Wright's comments are not just excusable ...
... but perfectly reasonable. We do have freedom of speech in this country.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:32 PM
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63. Good luck with that
Hillary's supporters are all over this story. They've completely bought into the scorched earth fuck-the-Democratic-Party tactics of their hero.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:48 PM
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66. Yep. And they better enjoy that nomination.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:34 AM
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70. Good idea. And ditch the "fellowship" crap while we're at it.
Vast religious conspiracies have never played well in this country.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:57 AM
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72. America is STILL the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today
K&R
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:14 AM
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75. K&R! Too many DUers are allowing themselves to be "Hannitized"
This bullshit "Preachergate" story started with Hannity and RW radio. I see too many people here using right-wing talking points against both Obama and Clinton. It's time to take Congressman DeFazio's advice and save our attacks for the GOP!
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JuneFiasco Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:23 AM
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80. Agreed
Agreed.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:49 AM
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81. agreed...
Thank you for posting this.

Very well thought out, and I agree with an earlier comment, that you should send this to editors of newspapers.

I went to your diary at kos, but I couldn't figure out how to recommend it. Do you have to sign up to do that?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:55 AM
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82. Post of the day and it's still early. Keep kickin' it.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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86. These assholes can't afford...
...to get their butts kicked in November because as soon as they're out of power - or so they fear - their evil, vile deeds will be laid bare for all to see...and the majority of them will be on the receiving end of some incarceration punishment - that is assuming that Dems will be packing a set this time around as opposed to the lame-ass decisions of the Clinton admin who let the Reagan/Bush1/et.al. bunch skate back in '93 - for the good of the country. Of course, given the weakness demonstrated by the Pelosi/Reid-led Congress, we can never be sure, but if you think I hate Republicans just wait until the Dems wimp-out this time...they'll both be on my personal shit-list. Hell halt no fury like a believer betrayed!
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:29 AM
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88. This Controversy: A Tempest in a Teapot!
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:30 AM by mckara
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT:

This whole "controversy" is an example of trivial nitpicking that the republicans place into the public forum to deliberately change political debates AWAY FROM THE ISSUES, because REPUBLICANS CANNOT WIN WHEN ELECTIONS AND ABOUT REAL ISSUES!

The Clinton campaign is gasping for air now, therefore, its supporters attack Obama with Fox News issues. It may make YOU feel better, but you're acting like PAVLOV'S DOPES.

As Democrats, we should set the agenda and DEBATE THE ISSUES. When Americans understand the differences between the Democratic and republican candidates:
WE WIN!!!! :patriot:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:32 AM
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89. someone also posted Fredrick Douglas' July 4th speech. It's sick how many Hillary supporters
are willing to pick this up.

The Left is in accordance with Rev Wright and his church.

It's one thing to critique Wright's political incorrectedness... but then acknowledge he is not a politician.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:46 AM
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93. Well, as a member of the Rush Limbaugh faction of the Democratic Party, I must denounce and reject
your OP.

We are out here man, and were coming at you.

:sarcasm:
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GTurck Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:47 AM
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95. We should not apologize for the truth
One of the major issues of this campaign is just how far off the moral compass we have gone. Unless and until we face the truth about the corporate owned government that we have allowed to come into being we will not be able to really heal this nation. We have been addicts to our own hubris and exceptionalism for too long.
What I heard the Rev. Wright say hurt because I am white and a woman. I know that that is the perception of many blacks, Latinos, Europeans, etc. My aim is to change the perception at every chance that I get and not run away from the truths that make it difficult to deal with.
It is bitter medicine indeed but Americans traditionally have had the moral strength and courage to look at themselves and their society and correct themselves. That is our challenge with this issue.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 AM
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96. flag lapel pin
This is to suits what the yellow "support our troops" ribbons are to cars.

Meaningless, trite, and allows the users to deceive themselves into thinking they are actually patriotic.

Almost like a weekend biker and temporary tattoo.

-90%
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 AM
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99. That maybe overlyhopeful.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 AM
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100. The democratic power "elites" didn't like MLK either. He was the Michael Moore of his time, hated
...by most especially after his anti Nam stances..
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 AM
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101. "I urge you to stop blaming Clinton or attacking her supporters and help defend Obama."
:applause:

AND, go on the offensive - attack McNutjob.


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Slagathor Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:24 AM
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102. MLK jr occasionally did say stupid things
he was a great man, but he also occasionally said and did some idiotic things, eg. plagiarize his PhD.

Great men are complex, flawed. No one is perfect. Not even Obama. He's the best possible candidate and a great American, a man who will make an excellent president, but he's still a human being. This is a tempest in a teapot and is NOT going to affect his electability. It's a non issue. The pastor is a racist asshole and that's the end of it. Obama has distanced himself from the piece of shit and that should be enough for anyone.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:50 AM
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103. What's wrong with that quote?
It is absolutely true

We have met the terrorists, and they are us
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 PM
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105. Actually
I don't disagree very much with what the Pastor had to say. Especially in the context of his life experiences. And how come he doesn't get any righty cred for having been a Marine?

-90%
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:28 PM
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106. "today", that was taken in the Zeitgeist of MLK, this is sad to compare Wright to MLK, MLK was a
great man, a true christian man. I know he never would've said "God Damn America" or humped a podium talking about a President of the United States.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:37 PM
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110. Thank you. I'm with you! Democrats need to find heart for all. n/t
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:06 PM
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118. I think Wright's comments illustrate that African-Americans and Caucasians
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 03:08 PM by Flatulo
see our society through very different lenses. How could they not? On balance, American society has not been fair to our minorities. We're still inherently rascist by every metric one can imagine.

While I personally find Wright's sermons to be over the top, I can understand that his life experiences may have been the catalyst.

Electing an African-American as president would go a long way towards healing our national racial wounds.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:35 PM
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128. Exactly
I am a little uncomfortable with some of Wright's words, but I understand the anger harbored by some African Americans of his generation. And I certainly don't believe Obama shares that anger, and that's what matters.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:21 PM
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119. Unfortunately, not every American has come to understand that --- even now --- !!!
And even yet that is more true than ever --- !!!!


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:31 PM
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121. Let's look out into the world of harm that has been done and actually ask ourselves . . .
who has been responsible for this---??

Mostly it has been a corrupt American foreign policy ---

How would we begin to atone and account for this stolen land and genocide against the native Americans?

How would we begin to respond to the stolen lives of Africans in America and their stolen labor?

Another 100 years of Segregation?

How would we repair the whole damage done to Japan with the dropping of our atomic bombs?

How would we begin to make amends to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos for our violent policies there?

Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I . . . a half a million Iraqi children dead.

Gulf War II --- 2 million Iraqis civilians killed. 4,000+ American soldiers.

Five years of occupation of Iraq ---

There is no question but that we have white male patriarchy made insane by its own violence.

Certainly it looks like a number of our presidents have been clinically insane ---
LBJ, Nixon --- and more than likely W Bush --

On the other hand, Rev. Wright is seeing the world quite clearly --- !!!









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