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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:42 PM
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FOX NEWS ALERT!
Warning: African Americans Speak for Themselves! *gasp*

I just watched the Fox Alert on Hannity with Major Garrett drilling Obama on his connections with Trinity Church and his pastor, Rev. Wright. (I haven't seen the other Fox News alerts where Hannity allegedly calls for Obama's resignation from the Democratic Primary race and from his Senate seat.)

Last year, Hannity and Colmes had Rev. Wright on their program. Here is an excerpt of their exchange:

HANNITY: Now, Reverend, if every time we said black, if there was a church and those words were white, wouldn't we call that church racist?
...

WRIGHT: No, we would call it Christianity. We've been saying that since there was a white Christianity; we've been saying that ever since white Christians took part in the slave trade; we've been saying that ever since they had churches in slave castles.

We don't have to say the word "white." We just have to live in white America, the United States of white America. That's not the issue; you're missing the issue.
...

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the 60s, (INAUDIBLE) black liberation theology, that started with Jim Cone in 1968, and the writings of Cone, and the writings of Dwight Hopkins, and the writings of womanist theologians, and Asian theologians, and Hispanic theologians...


So, as Rev. Wright encourages Hannity to do, I encourage others to, as well.

A good place to start: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=black+liberation+t...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+James+H.+Cone&btn...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Dwight+Hopkins&btn...

Only then can we have a meaningful discussion on the matter at large.

If we are unable to understand the deeper context, we are otherwise viewed, like Hannity proves above, as not 'allowing 'African Americans to define the scope and meaning of black existence for themselves in what they view as a white racist society.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:47 PM
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1. Rev Wright
is a lunatic.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:51 PM
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3. Are you a Christian? Do you agree that all Presidents must be a Christian?
Are you better than the pastor?

Do you know more than he?

Have you done as much for any community as he has done?

WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:56 PM
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6. Where is the SARCASM icon?
Are you serious? The President "must" be a Christian?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:05 PM
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22. no, not serious
its bizarre that anyone would criticize Obama on his religion
and also criticize his pastor.

Most probabaly aren't "Christian", but fall in line with the media in
demanding it of our Presidents.

Certainly nothing Christian about the vote for the Iraq war, nor Hillary's
refusal to vote against Carpet bombing.

Sorry, I WILL put a sarcasm icon in the message next time.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:51 PM
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4. Case in point
One perpetuates racial divide and adds nothing to the conversation with knee-jerk reactions such as this.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 PM
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10. Are you looking forward to Hannity tonight?
OH BOY Can't wait to see what FOX news says tonight!!

*sarcasm*
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:34 PM
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25. LMAO!
Really?

Tell you what, tell us what he's said of substance that is wrong.

Sure, he's gone over the line on his use of language, but let's see what he's said that makes him a 'lunatic'. Include quotes please.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:49 PM
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2. Great links, thank you.
Are we going to shout at each other or are we going to act like we traditionally have at DU?

A rational discussion of issues is what I always looked forward to here, up until about 3 months ago, when we were invaded by people who don't. They make us all look like a bunch of freepers.

I am having none of it, anymore.

Ignoring people removes their posts, their replies, and their filth from my viewing, and I have discovered that I can once again enjoy DU for what it truly is for me: My source for news and intelligent discussion of issues that matter..
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:31 PM
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11. I agree, jhuth, that a rational discussion on DU is sorely lacking these days
The daily infiltration of news sources such as Fox News and such has degraded the level of discourse.

On a related note, regardless of the outcome of this unprecedented election, people will be examining the racial (and sexist) aspects of this Primary (and General) for years to come. Electing a black man or a woman as POTUS rehashes much of what the status quo of American white male dominated politics and social structures have been avoiding for so long.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:36 PM
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12. True that!
It is a great time for either of our candidates to lead America, and will raise the character of all Americans in the long run.

I would just like to show the public that we can rise above petty he-said she-said politics and actually intelligently discuss issues as a nation.

I am sad that some have to stoop so mind boggingly low at DU.

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:49 PM
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26. I asked a rational question;
Is Wright Right?

Turns out, there's nothing anyone can think of that he's wrong about. It's just the way he says it.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:14 PM
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27. I'm of the opinion, Dr_eldritch
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 06:51 PM by Emit
That those who choose to continue the hyperbole about Wright's comments have not read his comments in the context with which they were originally stated, nor have they read about Rev. Wright and others in the context of American history and various black movements.

My concern, too, at the risk of being rather inflammatory, is why do certain posters refuse to attempt to understand either context and prefer, instead, to mirror, and thereby perpetuate, the prejudiced views of Fox News and Co.?



edited to add link
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. That is a well-founded opinion...
And I'm about to post a thread about it now.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:52 PM
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5. Klintons are using this to attack Obama, they don't care about the truth
its all about dividing the people.

Klintons can't get the black vote anymore, so they are going after the
Archie Bunker vote.
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:57 PM
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7. I guess I missed the Clinton's using this to attack
Obama. However if a white Pastor said these things in reference to Black people he would be in deep shit. Why is it ok for a Black Pastor to do it?
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:59 PM
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9. In case you've been under a rock for the past few days
It obviously isn't "ok" for a black pastor to talk like this.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:44 PM
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16. when did the blacks oppress or enslave whites.
I must have missed that part of history, have you got a link?

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:07 PM
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23. I think there is a subliminal fear of just such a payback
maybe those who have oppressed African Americans, or who have benefitted from it,
or condoned it - fear that having a black (I say latte') president will mean
getting the tables turned.

I expect that Obama would instead be a president for all.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:29 PM
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33. And we all know how fear motivates the masses
I hate when I see race and religion used as tools to motivate people playing upon their fears and prejudices.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:40 PM
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29. I think the game plan is to goad the media into attacking Obama and drive up HC's vote in PA.
Then, even though she's still behind, she can claim that she's entitled to the nomination (but, really, wasn't she always?) and that the supes have to give it to her even though the voters didn't.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:46 PM
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30. Neither candidate is
"entitled" to the nomination, the people will decide!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:49 PM
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31. That's the whole point. Hillary would have been smarter to run an actual campaign
instead of basing her entire early strategy on brow-beating the democratic base with talk of "inevitability".
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:06 PM
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32. That's politic's you have to appear confident!
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:09 PM by laugle
Obama does the same.

And no one is brow-beating the base....come on. What you fail to realize, is Hillary's supporters are just as passionate about her!

The blame Hillary campaign will not work. People hate whiner's.......

Frankly, the media annointed Hillary in the beginning, and then Obama. They wrote her off totally twice. I think Obama has been lucky that they haven't done that to him, yet!

Obama supporters are feeling the same thing now that we did. I hate the media for doing this. Their influence is wrecking our election.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:09 PM
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34. No, several Hillary SUPPORTING pundits have pointed out how bad her campaign strategy
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:10 PM by impeachdubya
has been, particularly in the early part of the campaign.

Rather than developing a good "ground game" and effective organization, the plan a la Penn et al was to go on as many talk shows as possible with talk of inevitability, to act like she already had the thing in the bag.

Confidence is one thing, presumption is another. Particularly when it's done at the expense of real-world political organizing and making the sale to voters on a candidate's merits.

That's not a "blame Hillary" campaign, that's a cogent analysis of a situation that, by any reasonable estimation, has deteriorated severely--- from the perspective of her actually winning the nomination.

And if you don't think the base was browbeaten by Hillary supporters, all I can say is you must not have been hanging around DU much 8 months ago.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:39 PM
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35. I've been here a long time, but seeing your
post count in you profile, you spend a lot more time here. Anyway, I agree with you about the ground game. She has made mistakes and so has he.

She's too smart to think that she had it in the bag. Many people, including some BO supporter's didn't think he would get past super-tuesday. Hell, I think Obama was even surprised.

The main thing is she has come back from the dead twice, and her supporters are glad she didn't give-up.

Obviously, I don't care to rehash her mistakes here, I'm looking towards the future.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. They're both fighters, I'll give em that.
And one way or another, eventually we'll have a nominee.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:55 PM
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37. We agree!!!! Now go take a break!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:58 PM
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8. k&r
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:38 PM
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13. Nice work lately, SR. I always am entertained by it.
I did a "Bush face on Mccain head" that turned out pretty interesting.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:41 PM
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14. dupe
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:42 PM by Swamp Rat
:D



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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:45 PM
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17. NICE!
I love it. Did you vectorize and then re-rasterize that?

I did that for this piece and it turned out great.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:50 PM
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19. I mostly use raster, except for text.
All I have is an old copy of Photoshop Elements, so most of my pix are done by hand (computer airbrush, eraser, smudge) in dozens of layers.



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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:41 PM
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15. LOL!
Bushler has a peanut-shaped head! :D

:applause:
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:12 PM
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24. It's McSame! Good work with the photoshop.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:47 PM
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18. One never has to say white because it is implied
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:20 PM
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20. Our silence ... is one reason we have so much difficulty coming to terms with race in America.
Bill Moyers: Welcome to the JOURNAL. Our subject in this hour is one you don't hear discussed very often in politics or around the dining table. It's buried so deeply in the American psyche that rarely does anyone bring it front and center. Our silence on it is one reason we have so much difficulty coming to terms with race in America. I'm reluctant to raise it even now, because it's anything but a comfortable subject for television. But I went online not long ago and listened to a speech at Harvard University that I simply can't forget and I wanted you to meet the man who delivered it.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11232007/watch.html

With the noose and the lynching tree entering the national discussion in the wake of recent news events, Bill Moyers interviews theologian James Cone about how these powerful images relate to the symbol of the cross and how they signify both tragedy and triumph.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:25 PM
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21. K and R
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:28 PM
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38. Well I guess I better jump into this one
I don't feel sorry for any of you. Until the day comes the government tells you, oh, you can't get married, you can't adopt children, you can't join the military, you can't have an insurance family plan, you can't prepare joint taxes together, you can't go back to see him because your not a family member, oh, your house goes to his family because your not a family member. Until you can say these things I really don't have a lot of sympothy for you. That's my 2 cents worth.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 PM
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39. Sorry, his theology is more fucked up.
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