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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:37 PM
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Obama debates with Republican! ** must-see, video, serious **
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:27 PM by anigbrowl
...in 2004. I came across some links of Obama in debate with Alan Keyes when they were both running for the US Senate seat in Illinois. Don't be put off by the fact that the debates are 4 years old - it's striking just how many of these issues are still very much on the table 4 years later, and the arguments have not changed a great deal in that time.

These are on Keyes' own site - believe it or not, he is running for President this cycle. I had hardly heard anything about this, presumably because he hasn't been trying that hard - perhaps he's going to do an end-run around everyone at the GOP convention.

These are interesting because we haven't really had a chance this cycle to see Obama debating with a Republican on issues that really divide the two parties. Keyes is a very good speaker - of course I don't agree with much of anything that he says, but he's well able to articulate Bush administration and Republican policies in general. Indeed, when he gets on to a bit of a rant (saying that government assistant programs are tantamount to socialism) it's actually a good thing because he's articulating what most core Republicans feel rather than editing himself for a national TV audience, and it gives Obama both the opportunity and the chore of articulating what democratic values and policies are about.

Ironically, Keyes is really funny on free trade, which he's against because he's an isolationist. Obama articulates a pro-trade position that takes all levels of society into account.

Another good thing here is that the moderators in the debates are not national figures and (obviously) the audience was only for Illinois, so there's much less grandstanding and silly format stuff taking up time. Instead there's a lot of hard, aggressive questions, yes/no rapid-fire questions, and so on. It's C-Span, rather than bu$ine$$ television, and so much better as a result. Indeed, it makes we wish all presidential debates were held on C-span by law - this is how it should be.

These are real bare knuckle arguments, with a tough moderator and tough arguments from Keyes - even if you don't like him, he's a smart and confident speaker. I don't know why the GOP hasn't parachuted him into a safe seat elsewhere, and maybe they will with all the Republicans retiring...without agreeing with him, I think he is largely sincere and would do them GOP good, and do the Democratic party good by being a good legislative opponent.

Each debate contains far more than the summaries below - these are just the 'headline' issues in each debate. There are SO MANY issues in each debate that are debated every day here on DU, where people complain they don't know Obama's real views are. Well, they're right here. For example, the last debate also touches on terrorism, trade, why Obama doesn't support gay marriage but supports LGBT equality and argues strongly for gay rights (he doesn't regard marriage in general as a civil right).

http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/play.php?video=6 ...on the war in Iraq, the 'axis of evil' and the economy
http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/play.php?video=7 ...on gun control, legislative experience, and abortion
http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/play.php?video=8 ...on trade, poverty and globalization

There are video links in multiple formats and transcripts as well. The videos are about an hour each. If you're interested, ple kick the thread so other people can see this, rather than having the thread sink and disappear while you're watching.

Edited because I messed up the order of the links and the topics.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:51 PM
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1. self-kick - don't want this to sink
I really think that people who say they want to know more about Obama should see him in debate with an articulate Republican.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:54 PM
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2. Have bookmarked your post......and I will watch,
thank you for bringing the finds here.

:hi:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:02 PM
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3. Interesting. Thanks for the links. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:02 PM
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4. I will watch. I'm guessing Obama handed Keyes his ass as he won 70%
of the vote, I think.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:30 PM
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8. He did, yes...but not because Keyes is a poor debater
there's a lot of the country that agrees with his line of thinking. It's so interesting to see Obama debating a Republican after 20 debates of watching him debate with Democrats.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:15 PM
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5. I'm listening, and I wonder if Obama has been holding back in the dem primary debates
There's no way McCain can lay out the GOP side as articulately as Keyes did, so what I've heard so far gives me great confidence in how Obama would do against McCain.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:18 PM
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6. K&R
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:23 PM
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9. Just kicking it again...see Obama in action vs a Republican!
I did go looking for some video of Hillary Clinton debating for her senate seat, but I haven't found any. Perhaps someone else can help for balance.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:27 PM
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7. will watch this later. i'm sure i will get a chuckle out of keyes
now that i am safe from the prospect of having him for my senator.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:32 PM
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10. I'm listening now and thinking about the "good old days"...
the war cost "only" about 200 billion...
subsidizing the oil companies was only about 40 (I think that's right) billion per year...

sigh...

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