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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:17 PM
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Clinton: Delay the Delegate Count (Because I'll Lose)
The Hillary Clinton camp has tried every avenue to delay reporting on the delegates from the Texas primary. They tried to intimidate the Texas Democratic Party prior to the primary. That failed. On election night, they threw up a duststorm of objections about irregulatories. Now, the Clinton camp us urging the state party to delay the March 29 county and senate conventions, where details of how 67 delegates picked in the county caucuses will be announced.


Why are they doing this? Because they are losing.


http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03...
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:18 PM
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1. It doesnt matter, Obama is through
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:19 PM
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2. Keep dreaming on your Hillarite-addled brain.
Are you that fucking moron with the large Hillary banner at your house?

Hawkeye-X
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:24 PM
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5. Thanks.
I must have put that person you replied to on ignore for good reason. Nice to have some validation, though.
jen
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:54 PM
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11. Me too! I can imagine what it said, though.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:25 PM
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14. Yeah, he's local like us, Jennifer.. You watching the Avs game on TV?
I just realized the game's just starting....
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:16 PM
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17. Thanks for reminding me!
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:26 PM
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6. No
I don't live in Five Points.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:22 PM
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4. There's a Rocky Mountain/Mile High Comment if I ever heard ...
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:24 PM by GalleryGod
"through" with what? Carrying Hillary's dead ass around for another six weeks...?

She is truly a 60 year old, RL version of the character Tracey Flick :rofl: :spray: :rofl:

Too bad Frank Rizzo's DEAD..she could recruit Philly's Old Mayor, to once more, run round to her Rallies shouting "Vote WHITE!"
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:26 PM
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15. Heh. I agree, Greg...
:hi:

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:35 PM
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9. What you have not yet considered is the fact that this isn't simply
an Obama victory but a repudiation of Clinton. In the event that Obama were gone then the party would simply coalesce around another anyone but Clinton candidate.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:36 PM
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10. Obama is through"? -I disagree -but the OP thread ignores letter's substance-its reasonable comments
there are significant questions about whether the precinct conventions were conducted in accordance with the Party's Delegate Selection Plan and Rules. On the night of the caucus itself we brought many instances of these irregularities to the attention of the State Party. The campaign received in excess of 2,000 complaints of rules violations, indicating widespread violations of the Party's rules, including the following specific occurrences that are clear violations of specific rules:

Temporary Chair packets were released by the election judge prior to 7:00 pm
Sign-in sheets were filled out before 7:00 pm
Precincts were consolidated for purposes of holding a convention
Precinct caucuses began before polls closed for the primary
Ineligible participants voted or ineligible delegates were elected, including participants who were not registered voters, participants who did not vote in the primary, provisional voters whose votes were counted, and no verification was made of the eligibility of participants or delegates
Accurate written records of participants, presidential preferences, and elected delegates were not kept
Participants' names and presidential preference were entered on sign-in sheets by someone other than the eligible individual participant
Results were taken from a head count or hand count rather than the written roll
Delegate votes were not ratified by the precinct convention
Failure to follow Robert's Rules of Order at the precinct convention

We have had several conversations with the State Party since March 4, including conversations with Chad Dunn, regarding the procedures that the State Party intends to follow to insure that the rules were followed and that only the votes of eligible participants would be considered. We understood that we were to receive a memorandum regarding that process, but were advised yesterday that instead we would be invited to a briefing on Monday, March 17.

Last week our Counsel, Lyn Utrecht, was told by Mr. Dunn that the State Party intended to verify the eligibility of participants and that the Party's IT people were working on a system for doing that electronically. On Tuesday the 11th, when Ms. Utrecht contacted Mr. Dunn to inquire about the status of the memorandum regarding the procedures, she was advised that the State Party no longer intended to verify the eligibility of participants or delegates because the Party would not have the ability to do that before the County Conventions. This was confirmed by Mr. Dunn yesterday.

Therefore, it is our understanding that the results will be counted and delegates awarded based on a count of votes without any determination by the State Party of eligibility of the participants, and without any certification by the Precinct Chairs or County and Senate District Chairs that they completed a thorough review of the eligibility of participants and delegate candidates.

Thus it will be left to the campaigns to file credentials challenges against those delegates awarded based on the votes of ineligible participants, without the State Party making any effort to identify ineligible participants. We were advised yesterday that we will begin to receive copies of the scanned sign-in sheets sometime early next week and that it will not be until the end of next week when we will receive all of this data. In order to review this, the campaigns will also need access to the voter rolls to determine who voted in the primary held that day. While the State Party has indicated that it will request this information from the larger counties and provide it, it is unclear how soon that information will be available. For the smaller counties, the campaigns must request it from each county.

We believe this is in direct contravention of the Rules, which require that the Party determine the eligibility of participants and that only the votes of eligible participants are counted. Moreover, if the Party's reason for not ensuring that only eligible participants are counted is based on the fact that the Party cannot complete the review process prior to the scheduled date of the County and Senate District Conventions, the campaigns can't possibly complete this review in a timely fashion. Credentials challenges are presently due March 26.
We believe that (1) it is a violation of the Party's Delegate Selection Plan and Rules for the Party not to ensure that the eligibility of participants was determined before their votes are counted; and (2) if the Party cannot complete this task in time to hold the next level conventions on March 29, those conventions must be postponed until such time as accurate presidential preference counts can be made based on a review of each and every sign in sheet to determine eligibility of participants and delegates.

It is a violation of the rights of legitimate participants to have their true vote count distorted by violations of the Party's Rules. It is the Party's responsibility to ensure the integrity of the precinct convention process by making sure that the Rules were followed and that the final official results of the precinct conventions are accurate and in compliance with the Rules.

Therefore, we respectfully request that the Party explain to both campaigns what procedures will be followed to ensure the accuracy and integrity of the precinct convention results and agree to postpone the County and Senate District Conventions until such time as that process can be completed.

We look forward to working with you to ensure that the votes of the people who participated in the March 4 primary and precinct conventions are accurately counted.

Sincerely,

/s/

Garry Mauro
Authorized Representative
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:58 PM
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12. Riiiiight.
How's that complete denial working for you? Not too well, huh?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:21 PM
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3. We knew she'd do something.. now we know what. Cheating.. again. Yes, she is truly Presidential
material.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:27 PM
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7. The last thing we need is another whiney crybaby occupying the WH.
:puke:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:32 PM
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8. I hope NY start to work HRC out soon sheis a destructive force without question.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:37 PM by barack the house
I don't know the good things HRC did for NY personally but HRC is real embarasing the state now. Respect democracy Hillary this takes the piss. The world is watching this temper tantrum. Never seen anything like it in my life.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:02 PM
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13. This is Harold Ickes mode of operation
And it can be very effective. We should get used to it.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:52 PM
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16. I thought it was fairly clear how the 67 delegates would be picked.
At the state convention, 6/6-7/08, in Austin.

The 3/29 meetings just select delegates for the June meeting.

BTW, we were told at my irregularity-run precinct that all those that signed in would have their eligibility checked--which was the reason that *nobody* verified that the people there were in the right precinct or had voted in the dem primary election. (The only people that were concerned were some of the voters, lest their caucus vote be disqualified--you said you were in the right precinct, it was good enough for the volunteers signing people in.)
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