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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:47 PM
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So let me get this straight
As of this morning,

Obama is dean screamed because of some crazy preacher he quotes
Hillary is in some freaky christian cult in the government
John Edwards was in it too
Obama was in it too?

And this is who we had to choose from?
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:48 PM
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1. Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:50 PM
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2. al gore nt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:51 PM
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3. The horror! The horror!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:51 PM
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4. You forgot John Edwards... it's the ultimate conspiracy
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:54 PM
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5. religion is important
otherwise the underclass would hold the overclass responsible
Now we can say that God's will is mysterious
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 PM
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19. In a nutshell.
:thumbsup:
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:54 PM
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6. No, this is who the all-wing noise machine wants you to think you have to choose from
You actually have to choose from candidates who want to make America a better place for all her people. You have candidates to choose from who want to fix health care and help working people.

Clinton and Obama are different, but they are both a measurable improvement over what we have now. The noise machine doesn't want you to notice that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:55 PM
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7. Where does it say Obama was in it?
Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voterGodand a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers....The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."

When Time put together a list of the nation's 25 most powerful evangelicals in 2005, the heading for Coe's entry was "The Stealth Persuader." "You know what I think of when I think of Doug Coe?" the Reverend Schenck (a Coe admirer) asked us. "I think literally of the guy in the smoky back room that you can't even see his face. He sits in the corner, and you see the cigar, and you see the flame, and you hear his voicebut you never see his face. He's that shadowy figure."

Coe has been an intimate of every president since Ford, but he rarely imposes on chief executives, who see him as a slightly mystical but apolitical figure. Rather, Coe uses his access to the Oval Office as currency with lesser leaders. "If Doug Coe can get you some face time with the President of the United States," one official told the author of a Princeton study of the National Prayer Breakfast last year, "then you will take his call and seek his friendship. That's power."

"If you're going to do religion in public life," concurs Schenck, a Jewish convert to fundamentalist Christianity who's retained his sense of irony, Coe's friendship is a kind of "kosher...seal of approval."

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protg, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by Godleaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.
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The depraved Ed Meese speaks And they think Wright is crazy?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:02 PM
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12. Obama has been a featured participant - and 6 weeks ago was at he Fellowship's prayer breakfast

Sen. Salazar to co-host National Prayer Breakfast
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
Originally published 10:07 a.m., February 6, 2008

Sen. Ken Salazar will mark his first National Prayer Breakfast as co-host by inviting New Life Church Senior Pastor Brady Boyd and introducing President George W. Bush.

The 56th annual breakfast will be held Thursday in Washington, D.C., and will be hosted by Salazar, a Democrat, and Sen. Michael Enzi, R-Wyo.<snip>

Salazar and Enzi currently serve as co-chairs of the weekly senators' prayer breakfast.

Past participants at the breakfast have included U2 band singer, Bono; Coretta Scott King; former U.S. Supreme Court Justic Sandra Day O'Connor; and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:09 PM
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13. It doesn't say he's a member of the fellowship. Clinton is, and considers Doug Coe a mentor. n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:43 PM
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14. So Obama just attends "Fellowship" events - and co-hosts them in the past?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:55 PM
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8. Your sig belies the objectivity you're trying to portray.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:56 PM by patrice
NO ONE is saying just believe and things will be different.

But, belief in hope is the pre-requisite for right action.

Those who mis-characterize others act out of desparation, not hope.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:57 PM
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9. You've got the surface stuff right. But stay tuned--

we'll be learning about the Rosicrucian underpinnings by tomorrow. :evilgrin:
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:57 PM
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10. Okay even if true . Do you want McCain? He's so much worse.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:58 PM by The Wielding Truth
Pick the best of the undesirables and the one who seems like they can represent the People and vote. All gossip is silly. Are you perfect?
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:01 PM
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11. Hell no, I don't want McCain
I just wasn't expecting to wake up to all this creepy cult stuff and ponder why that's all we had to choose from.

I'd rather have someone who saw a UFO than someone in a scripture cult.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:54 PM
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16. Obama seems to choose the best thought out answer for our
country, our people, and to defend himself from being misrepresented. Hillary seems to choose what is best to get her the power to run this country in a way that will help us.

McCain is there to get power for McCain so he can continue to consolidate the power for the powerful. We have had enough-too much of this.

So we can let everyone pick apart Obama and Hillary or we can get the power back by opening the sewer that runs through the Republican-McCain campaign.

You can find something wrong with Jesus,Gandhi,Mohamed,JFK,Martin Luther King and crucify them while you let Bush,Hitler,Nero,lead you to ruin.

It also seems true that when you have an image of that perfect candidate; the easier it is to see and focus on their mistakes.

We want the perfect candidate and they are not in our mist so it's save our rights,economy,and country or hand ourselves and our children a worthless remnant.

Next time someone slights one of our democrats think of the direction you want your future to go.


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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:57 PM
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18. I didn't really address this to you. I just started ranting.
:pals:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:47 PM
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15. In other words, do you choose the one you know - warts and all -
or the one who was very careful not to generate any track record that can be held against him and is going to surprise us? Maybe?

Or, worse, will rely on behind the scene "advisers" that will never be held accountable?

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:56 PM
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17. Well, first you have it all wrong
Never use the phrase "Let me get this straight". :crazy:
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