CNN : Black Ministers will Denounce Obama for Denouncing Wright

[sunnystarr]

I can't believe this shit!! This will surely keep the attacks going through next week. I think I need a vacation....

[2rth2pwr]

1. Are you in favor of silencing these ministers? nt

[stray cat]

16. Not at all - but how about a representative sampling and not just finding one who wants on TV

News chanels never focus on one person's opinion because it stirs up controversy. If they find 80% are not offended do you really think they will show that. At best they will show one person who represents say 5% of the people and one person to represent 95% and act as if they are equal in their representation.

[musicblind]

42. That IS an overwhelming problem with the news media

not ALL viewpoints deserve equal consideration.

[skooooo]

2. well whatever...

That may help Obama, actually.

[slinkerwink]

15. possibly

[Pirate Smile]

24. That is what I was thinking too.

[jefferson_dem]

30. Hate to say it but that's true.

An unintended, unplanned "Sister Souljah" moment.

[stray cat]

CNN and Fox will at least find one black minister someplace somewhere.

[Texas Hill Country]

7. Yeah, Al Sharpton

[stray cat]

19. Probably - if he cooperates he is usually the go to guy for all racial opinions

[Texas Hill Country]

83. he already warned Obama not to reject...

[cottonseed]

64. Yup. They are now manufacturing stories.

I think Obama needs to start calling for debates again. As much as people are tired of them, it will atleast give the media something to cover instead of creating their own stories.

[ihavenobias]

3. I figured they might be some backlash in that regard

but it'll be short lived in this case too.

PS--- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Solomon]

57. No, no. The other ministers are going to explain Wright, not

denounce him. If they put up pictures of the waterhoses and dogs of the sixties in defense of Wright's alleged anger, then they will teach america all over again, that which it has been all too unwilling to remember, the awful history of this country in regards to race relations. Obama represents the new consciousness that can finally arise above all that.

[slinkerwink]

62. really?

[Solomon]

67. The last thing they're gonna want to do is ask Al Sharpton about

it. And the "they" I'm referring to is the media.

[Texas Hill Country]

4. I KNEW IT!!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

5. That'll be spun as "good news" by the DUbamas.

Probably.

[QC]

Everything that happens is good for Obama! n/t

[IdClaire]

92. LOL, its the yummy Kool Aid

they drink.

[Quixote1818]

22. See my post below. It will likely work to his advantage.

Unless it is a massive wave of attacks.

[Drunken Irishman]

54. Hey Meth, you don't think this could be Obama's Sister Souljah moment?

Doesn't this make Obama look mainstream?

How can YOU spin it as bad news, unless you think it will lose Obama black support, which I don't think it will do.

[andym]

65. Looks like a Sista Souljah moment

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[rucky]

79. No need to spin. It separates him even more

from the scary black ministers.

[Quixote1818]

6. How many? One or two, or a whole bunch of them? nt

[sunnystarr]

13. From what Malveux said it was many ... she didn't give a number tho (nt)

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. who cares if a right winger black pastor tries to frag Obama?

why the hell did you post something without a link or any explanation of whether you
actually saw or heard this somewhere?

[JoFerret]

122. Black ministers come in all varieties too.

Just like white ones.

[sunnystarr]

127. I saw it on CNN and Suzanne Malveaux (sp) said it (nt)

[Quixote1818]

14. Well, since the Clinton's are trying to make Obama the "Black" candidate. This will undermine

that message and I doubt it will effect his support from Blacks much. So, this is probably a net positive for Obama.

[malik flavors]

8. I think this will actually be good for Obama.

[bluestateguy]

9. Good

That establishes some further distance between him and Pastor Nutjob.

This story will be fading away by Monday.

[GarbagemanLB]

10. This helps Obama. Go Obama!

[rocktivity]

32. DING DING DING! GarbagemanLB, you're our grand prize winner!

...This helps Obama...

It sure does. Obama's strength has been his colorlessness; the line of attack has been to turn him "back" into a black candidate. If black ministers feel he has done "anti-black" thing, his colorlessness is re-established!


rocknation

[JoFerret]

124. And we are back where we started with

....a weak candidate with a silver tongue.

[rocktivity]

128. Better that than a candidate with a self-serving tongue

and pro-corporatist ties.


rocknation

[Lost-in-FL]

11. This could be a positive thing. n/t

[UALRBSofL]

12. The problem is Obama never denounced Wright

He said last night and it ran on MSNBC today in a soundbite, "I will not denounce Rev. Wright." I do disagree with some of his sermons. So now, Obama will have to go back and explain to the MSM he did not denounce Wright to keep the black ministers happy.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. rut roh

[loveangelc]

118. OR he could just say something like "the words that wright said were unacceptable.

I realize my denunciation could have the effect of potentially losing some of my core constituency's support. However, there is no place for that kind of divisiveness, it is not what I stand for."

He never addresses denouncing the man or whether or not he denounced him the first time by saying this.

[writes3000]

17. Let's see what they say...

I have a feeling it will be about defending Wright, the man. Not about saying that Obama was wrong for distancing himself from those statements.

Obama has consistent about the positives he's gotten from Wright.

[scheming daemons]

18. LOL! This is Obama's Sister Soulja moment! Awesome.....

I know it is cynical... but if Obama can have black ministers publicly denouncing him on TV, it will ironically make WHITE folks more comfortable with him.


....and he'll still get 80-90% of the black vote.

[ecstatic]

27. exactly!! nt

[anamandujano]

97. Does anyone recall how Jesse Jackson reacted to SS? I was watching

on C-SPAN when the incident happened. Jesse did not like it and it became big news. The story went on and on and on.

This may not work out for Bama the way you guys are hoping.

BTW--who among you took the stance that the Wright story did not have legs and would be over by Monday? HELLO! this is part of that story, not a new one.

[bhikkhu]

21. White ministers will denounce black ministers for denouncing Obama for denouncing Wright

Then we are all even and squared up again - no problem

[UALRBSofL]

28. Actually MSM will rerun what Obama said last night in a soundbite

Where he said "I do not denounce Wright". And y'all know Fox et al will call this a cover-up. They will run last night's KO soundbite on the stations and on the radio. Then they will say, look at Obama, he is trying to bam-boozle us because he never denounced Wright. Then, reporters will pester him in trying to say, you denounced Wright and he will not answer.

[bhikkhu]

38. With the result - supporters remain satisfied, opponents remain opponents

Net Change = 0

and on to the next problem - this one has lost all of its newsworthy bite.

[ecstatic]

23. Actually, on edit: This plan is brilliant

If he's denounced by so called black ministers, they do the job of distancing Obama from the entire situation with Wright, while comforting some jittery white voters.

[sunnystarr]

26. It must be confirmed since it was an announcement

and not a speculation.

[slinkerwink]

29. when is this "denouncing Obama for his rejection" going to happen?

[ecstatic]

31. ok cool. I hope the ministers get a lot of airtime too.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

25. Politics for $500 please... The naswer is: Jerks and Firing Squads

Q: What are things that are circular?

[UALRBSofL]

37. Ewww in the debate in PA Hillary needs to ask Obama

Did you denounce Wright or just rebute some of his sermons. Put Obama on the spot. Then he will have to tell the truth because it's in his interviews.

[merh]

82. When will Hillary denounce Moon?

She has supported his efforts and he is truly an odd duck.

Will she denounce David Coe and the Fellowship?

get real -

[anamandujano]

91. N f'ing O, she can't say anything. They are searching for a way to

change the story from hate-filled Bama mentor to dirty Clinton politics.

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. what, all of them? And if so, did they take a poll?

[sniffa]

34. Rev. Eugene Rivers didn't denounce him for it

He said Obama should have dumped him years ago, and that calls into question his judgment. He's a Hillary supporter, but they didn't mention that.

[anonymous171]

35. This will be good for him.

Like McCain being attacked by his own party for not being "conservative" enough(campaign finance and stuff) , this will help restore Obama's image as someone who stands up against wrongheaded beliefs and comments. Also, it will calm the scared white people.

McCain sucks ass.

[DemGa]

36. Whoops, another front opened up on the Obamanation ---NT

[UALRBSofL]

39. Lets see Obama talk his way out of 20 years of friendship with Wright

Regardless of black ministers denouncing him. We know this will be called a political move by Obama and MSM will cover it.

[theboss]

45. Why should he?

I've yet to see anything that proves Wright is a monster.

[scheming daemons]

43. LOL... you are politically tone-deaf. This SEPARATES Obama from radical black churches....

Please google "Clinton's Sister Soulja Moment"


I realize you were probably a baby during the 1992 election.... but look it up. The Obama camp is following that playbook.

[slinkerwink]

47. this should be interesting. anyone know when this denouncement is to happen?

[UALRBSofL]

46. My main concern is calling into Obama's judgment with Wright

Poor judgment with Wright calls into his qualifications to be commander-in-chief. Then from the reaction of the black ministers it seems Obama is a divider of the democratic party in many splinters. Tragic I tell ya.

[DemGa]

48. Indeed, his "qualifications to be commander-in-chief."

Obama sitting silently by and funding hateful rhetoric aimed at America -- I'd say he's failed that test already.

[Unsane]

40. Good. See Sista Soulja circa 1991

[slinkerwink]

41. I'm hoping this will be the sister souljah moment

[jenmito]

44. He should point out to them that he specifically did NOT denounce Wright the man-but those comments

he made.

[scheming daemons]

66. He doesn't need to do ANYTHING except say... "I'm sorry they feel that way..."

This gets white people to realize "oh.. .maybe he's NOT a radical".


Sister Soulja, Jen.... it's brilliant.

[jenmito]

77. True. Good point.

[NorthernSpy]

49. Now we're cooking with gas!

THAT's how you do it. Nice to see somebody's using their brain.


Whites will get the point. Blacks will get the other point.

[boston bean]

51. this place has really jumped the shark! nt

[slinkerwink]

53. yeah

[Swamp Rat]

73. Yes indeed!

[boston bean]

50. This is just too rich, first you defended Wright and now you want the black

ministers to come out and condemn Obama, so he doesn't look like Wright.

WTF

You guys are sick.

[Drunken Irishman]

55. Hey Mass, can you read?

Did the person sound happy about this?

It isn't good, but it CAN be good, whether you agree with Wright or not.

And I don't think there has been on person on this board who hasn't said Obama needed to distance himself from those comments. But if you paid attention instead of blindly attacking posters, you'd probably know this already.

[boston bean]

58. can you read the replies? that is what I was replying too.

[Drunken Irishman]

61. Then why not reply to those posters instead of the original poster?

And again, how many on DU were advocating Obama EMBRACE the message of his pastor? Some have said they agree with much of what he said, but I've not seen people say he should actively endorse that message. Have you? And if you have, I'd love to see a bunch of links making your point. Because it would seem what little point you had was built around this false notion Obama supporters didn't want him to denounce these comments, when that isn't true. Most of us knew it would be political suicide if he didn't reject those comments, so I don't know where you're seeing these wide ranging posts of us Obama supporters defending the idea of Obama supporting Wright's message. Some may agree with Pastor Wright, but they understand many won't and that Obama needed to speak out on these comments.

But regardless of that, this COULD be spun into a good thing for Obama and even you can admit it. If the more radical black preachers are coming out against him, it'll appear he is a bit more moderate on this issue than many may have thought. Now it could hurt him with some black voters, but I doubt that.

[scheming daemons]

60. It's called "framing the issue"... you're a Clinton supporter... "Sister Soulja" should mean ....

...something to you.

[golddigger]

89. Yep, I thought I seen it all but this takes the cake. They are sick.

[NMMatt]

52. This isn't good news, of course, and this story will come up again

I'm sure... we'll see campaign adds featuring it. But the campaign is handling it well and it will ultimately be burried by the economy as an issue. It is really more distraction for us and base rallying for right.

Of course some black ministers will denounce Obama, but that actually isn't necessarily bad. I mean you can't have it both ways - he either agrees with Wright or he doesn't. Having people who agree with the comments Wright made denounce Obama only reinforces the fact that he doesn't agree with him.

Ultimately it is what comes out Obama's mouth that matters. When a voter gets no reinforcement from Obama of this it won't stick (apart from racists who weren't going to vote for him anyway and are just looking for an excuse). It's a way to undermine him on part of his whole premise, sure, but we don't have the Obama making Senate testimony and Obama throwing away his medals that reinforces it for the voter (which is why swiftboating Kerry worked). If the best they can come up with as far as reinforcing this as who Obama actually is, is his middle name and a picture of him not holding his hand over his heart to sing the national anthem - there is no way this trumps the economy as an issue.

[still_one]

59. So what. What does that mean anyway? Obama stated his position very clearly

on the issue. If these "black ministers" don't like it, that is their right, but they don't speak for all African Americans, or ministers

The media is worthless, and bears a major responsibility for our pre-emptive war in Iraq based on a lie.

Why would it matter what "CNN", or any of the worthless so-called MSM outlets report?

Unfortunately, because of the MSM no matter who are candidate is, I suspect we won't win the general election for president, unless Americans wake up and stop allowing themseleves to be manipulated

bye, bye supreme court

[ClayZ]

63. Anouncement: Denounce those who denounce the denouncers!

[GoldieAZ49]

68. round and round and round it goes

what is left of the party afterwards?

[scheming daemons]

69. Goldie... the black preachers aren't going to switch sides in the election...

..if Obama is the nominee.


They are HELPING him... by separating him from Wright a little more.



Think strategically..... Go google "Bill Clinton's Sister Soulja Moment" to see the strategy at work here....

[GoldieAZ49]

78. It can cut both ways

Sister Souljah moment
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In United States politics, a Sister Souljah moment is a politician's public repudiation of an allegedly extremist person or group, statement, or position perceived to have some association with the politician or their party. Such an act of repudiation is designed to signal to centrist voters that the politician is not beholden to traditional, and sometimes unpopular, interest groups associated with the party, although such a repudiation runs the risk of alienating some of the politician's allies and the party's base voters.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Souljah_moment

[Karmadillo]

70. No Unity Ponies for them.

nt

[JoFerret]

71. He can't win. Now it's his trustworthiness, loyalty and judgment

in question.
Screwed for supporting Wright.
Screwed for condemning him and disavowing him.

[scheming daemons]

81. Opposite is true.... look at the headlines today...

"Obama Denounces Pastor's Inflammatory Remarks"


That was in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette this morning... on page A-5.


This story is WAY overplayed on DU compared to the MSM.... except for Fox/Hannity, of course.

[loveangelc]

119. yeah. and freerepublic.

i really and genuinely thought this would be huge. idk if it is besides fox and freeper land/talk radio now.

[Swamp Rat]

72. Very smart, tactical move. This will help Obama win the primary.

The Rovian smear campaign is being shot to pieces.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[sueragingroz]

74. He threw Wright under the bus. He's going to lose the black vote too...

Clinton wins PA 80-20 and he resigns from the campaign the next day.

You heard it here first.

[writes3000]

76. You have no idea what you're talking about.

But I'll enjoy bookmarking this page and proving you wrong. Again.

The black vote and the youth vote aren't going to abandon Obama over this.

[scheming daemons]

80. LOL... want to bet Obama wins 90% of black vote in PA... that ALONE gives him 300K edge from Philly

...and makes it impossible for Hillary to get more than 60% state wide.

[NorthernSpy]

85. I think they'll figure it out just fine...

[jenmito]

101. He specifically said he will NOT denounce the man, but those statements he made. n/t

[rucky]

75. That's good for Obama.

Not so good for black ministers.

[barack the house]

84. I kno w the feeling. Can't they see he is trying to get elected sometimes people gotta be cool.

[NorthernSpy]

87. It's theatre! They'll get angry with with Barack, and he'll reason with them...

... and he'll win, and white voters will see what they need to see.



Get it?

[Swamp Rat]

90. I do

hee hee!

[anamandujano]

94. Like NAFTA-gate. LOL! I'm looking forward to it.

[Cha]

86. Denouce 'im all you want ..who cares..

Obama's going to be better than okay.


Edit~ Besides, didn't Obama stick up for the Reverend Wright but denouce some of the more incendiary stuff he preached?

[kid a]

88. NO they won't. One maybe two...most will see the BIG picture.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

93. No they won't...

It's a *wink* *wink* denouncement.

Dream on if you think DU is a sample of the general electorate.

[LoveTruth]

95. Give Me A Break...

These pastors are fake as hell. Where were they when it was time to defend Rev.Wright for the entire year. These pastors are Hillary Clinton supporters!!! The ones whose churches her and her husband frequents when they need to pander. Its those ministers. Where were they before? they just want attention.

[anamandujano]

103. Good luck with that spin. You can be sure the Bama campaign organized this.

A flub to be sure but they are the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

[LoveTruth]

110. Thanks.

[susankh4]

96. I am so proud of Hillary

for staying out of this Jeremiah Wright mess!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/15/clinton...

[anamandujano]

99. YES!!!!!!!!!

[TwilightGardener]

102. LOL! You have really low expectations for her. Sometimes she even meets them.

[anamandujano]

104. Too bad for you that she's not going to help Bama turn this into a

dirty campaign story.

[TwilightGardener]

109. The media is beating this to death. It's already getting boring, because

at the end of the day, Obama didn't make those statements, and he doesn't come off as an angry black man out to get whitey. And apparently he's not a Muslim either.

[susankh4]

105. It is truly his problem

he needs to be a big boy and deal with it.

Hill has nothing to do with this.

[TwilightGardener]

106. He has dealt with it. And guilt-by-association only goes so far.

[woolldog]

111. It's classy of her

One of the few classy things she's done during this campaign.

[Texas Hill Country]

98. Wonder what this does to his reliance on the black vote... really, just curious.

will be interesting to see

[anamandujano]

100. Probably nothing, but it will have repercussions with the other voters.

It was a losing strategy for him to go for the black vote by tarring the Clintons as racist.

Now he has the black vote. Good for him. It's not enough to win. End of story. Full stop.

[LoveTruth]

114. Tarring the Clintons??

To get the black vote. He had nothing to do with that it was people who did not like her statements and the media. Do not blame Obama for that. By the way, thank you for insulting the intelligence of black folks.

[LoveTruth]

113. Nothing.

Not from what i'm hearing. Those black ministers are probably some of the ones for Clinton. She has a lot in her corner. They have been waiting to pounce on Obama so they can get black support from him . I dont think Hillary or her campaign is behind it. I think that these ministers are trying to get attention. If they felt so strongly for Wright then they would have stepped up a while ago. Oh please.

[EffieBlack]

107. To them I say: I didn't hear or see a single one of you

step forward to denounce those who falsely accused Obama of being a Muslim

And I didn't hear or see a single one of you utter a word of denunciation against those who are trying to use Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright as a club against him.

But now that, partly because of your silence, Obama has to step up and deal with this situation that you could have helped tamp down, you suddenly decide to jump into the discussion to denounce HIM?

To you, I say - ypu're a day late and a dollar short.

Now, go away.

[malletgirl02]

115. I agree

It is too damn late for them to say anything about the Wright situation now. I really would like to know why they are doing this.

[EffieBlack]

116. I have my suspicions

You can't assume that all black ministers are Democrats. Bush"s Faith-Based Bribes - I mean, Initiative - and anti-gay marriage efforts bought a lot of loyalty from some of these folks.

[citizen snips]

108. Wright is delusional and indoctrinating.

Which is just like most ministers. It will be wise for Obama to continue to denounce the man.

[woolldog]

112. So what happened?

Has this already taken place?

[slinkerwink]

117. no clue

[CreekDog]

120. That's perfect actually

Looks like he might come out of this stronger.

[madrchsod]

121. i agree--the swiftboat sunk

big john sided with barack thus eliminating the swiftboating from the right...so who does this benefit?

[slinkerwink]

123. who's big john?

[madrchsod]

125. John McCain

basically vouched for obama...did`t include any patented hillary snarks..why would the right wing swiftboat him now?

[Freida5]

126. What he needs to do is switch churches.