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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:14 PM
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If the Kitchen Stink strategy yields its intended result
It will be with a touch of regret that I will not be voting for the first time since 1976.

It isn't as if my vote here in one of the reddest red states has amounted to anything more than pissing in the wind, anyway. But there was a feeling in the air the night I attended the largest caucus in US history that maybe, somehow, we could turn things around this year. I know, I know -- sheer delusion. But in the state that gave Obama his highest winning percentage (80%), it was impossible that night (Super Tuesday) not to feel the possibility of just such a thing occurring, with an energized crowd making it seem more like a basketball championship game than a political event.

But the tone of this campaign has been more vile than anything I have witnessed, even given the bizarre nature of Idaho politics over the past three decades. The latest attack of the flying kitchen sink (or should that be toilet bowl?) will not be the last. I cringe to think that the trophy of Most Ridiculous American Political Entity is being pried from Bush's grip by the Democratic Party.

There realistically may have only been an atom sized chance of Obama taking the Idaho electoral vote, and that would have had to include a major insult to Idahoans by McCain; something like confiscating their guns and their snowmobiles.

The chance of Hillary taking this state is less than atom sized, less than subatomic particle sized. But, like all subatomic particles, she certainly has the spin property down to a science.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:18 PM
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1. Sunk by their own sink
The Clintons have somehow gotten clogged up in the
slimy drainpipe of their very own kitchen sink.
Somebody better call Roto-rooter.

(...and away go troubles, down the drain)
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:19 PM
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2. Oh Boo Hoo Hoo.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:23 PM
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5. Speaking of pissing in the wind
OperationMindless shows up to spray down another thread.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:26 PM
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6. Tantrums... So Annoying....
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:30 PM
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8. Doesn't your mommy know how to password protect her PC?
Go play on the trampoline or something. Just try to keep the screaming down, OK?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:37 PM
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11. Wow. Talk About Projection.
Just take your ball and go home already. Boo hoo hoo.

:rofl:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:52 PM
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17. i see I'm not the only one to run afoul of OperationShitBox
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:54 PM by JackORoses
Have no fear.
The long dark night is drawing to a close.
Can't you feel the Sun's warmth already?
;)
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:21 PM
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3. Last time I checked the presidency was not the only office on the ballot
There are races for Congress--Idaho has a big senate race this year--state legislature, local offices, ballot initiatives.

I can never understand the logic of people who sit out an election because they don't like any of the presidential candidates, as if there are not other offices on the ballot that can affect your life just as much.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:22 PM
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4. Not is why a potential depression is loomingso wiserto vote I feel despite flying toilet bowls.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:28 PM
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7. Rove's sink is bigger than Hillary's
And the repugs are looking at losing the WH and losing substantial numbers of house and senate seats. Do you think they are giving up? Of course not - but a big part of their strategy is to get you to give up.

So again, current polls give us the WH and more seats in the Senate and the House. Perhaps just enough of a majority to actually get some legislation passed (does anyone remember how long it has been?). What part of that makes you want to give up and just stay home?
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:34 PM
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9. Read the OP. Hillary has zero chance of winning here.
I will correct my initial statement, however. We do have a very important Senate seat ("Wide-Stance") up for grabs, so I will vote in that one. Just not for Hillary, if she's the nominee.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:43 PM
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12. Your probably right...
and good to see you didn't mean you would just stay home.

My stance on Hillary is that quite a bit of her public perception has been manipulated by her repug enemies. And that her current problems include repug smears against her which come with Obama's sig cleverly attached, and so she and her supporters see democratic treachery and haul out the "kitchen sink", losing all good judgment in the process. It is typical rovian manipulation, and terrible to see it work and bear fruit...
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:35 PM
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10. She may force a draft candidate
If she is able to so tarnish Obama so he can't win the nomination, she will have destroyed her own chances as well. It will be a pyrrhic victory and the party will have to draft a candidate. I hope it doesn't come to that.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:03 PM
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13. I already made that choice.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:13 PM
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14. If the convention is not brokered, giving us
an acceptable candidate in November who is neither HRC nor Obama, I will not be voting either. At least, not for the Democrat. Neither will I vote for the Republican. I may write in a better Democrat, or vote a 3rd party choice.

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:24 PM
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15. Let me tell you of my dream IDemo
My dream is to be in Washington DC on February 12 '09. I will be at the seat of the Obama Reconstruction along with many of our fellow DUers to witness President Obama's re-dedication of the Lincoln memorial on the 200th anniversary of President Lincoln's Birthday. That is my dream. I am not letting go of that dream, I am not letting the shitbirds here in the DU soil that dream either. Obama promises HOPE. I'll not let them take that away from me.

I too am seriously considering renouncing my vote for Senator Clinton should she get the nomination. Not because I am mad at the shitbirds around here. (Trust me, I am!) But for the very reason I won't be cornered into voting for mCcaine over bush should for some reason those be my choices. Senator Clinton keeps proving to me that she is closer to what I do not like about America than to what I like about my country. I feel the need to draw a line in the sand: American Democracy ends here! To me Senator Clinton straddles that line, Senator Obama is close to that line, President bush and Senator mCcaine are on the wrong side of that line. I believe many many many Americans sense this as well. So far she is barely hanging on to my vote...but just barely. The shitbirds around here won't take that away in-spite of their efforts. That will be something only Senator Clinton can bring upon herself.

I live next door to you in Washington State. I am not convinced who we will turn out for in November. I feel pretty good that we will go blue for Obama but I lack that confidence if it comes down to Clinton vs mCcain. Most on my side of the Cascades are Democrats, most on the other are republicans. We barely BARELY squeaked out a Democrat for our Governor. A lot of my fellow Dems here are highly alarmed at Senator Clinton too...much to the joy of those repukes in eastern Washington. Many of those folks in eastern Washington don't like mCcain and will consider voting for Obama or even sit this one out but those same folks utterly despise the name Clinton and most assuredly will not sit this one out should Senator Clinton be our nominee. For that reason we may indeed become a red state come November.

I have two homes in my neighborhood which are repuke only households. In one of those homes are two elderly people, both are two time bush voters. The wife, who has voted Republican ONLY since Eisenhower, wants to vote for Senator Obama. Her husband who has also only voted republican since Ike, thinks he will sit this one out but may be persuaded to vote for Obama. Neither of them like mCcain, but BOTH passionately assure me that they will vote against Senator Clinton! If that same thing holds true for Western Washington AND if Senator Obama gets the nomination...we may indeed go blue! With Senator Clinton getting the nomination...well my vote may not matter much at that point. We will just have to see what we will see I suppose.

I have learned more than enough here in the DU that this country may have passed a tipping point when it comes to losing our democracy. I have no arguments to counter this! I can see the results of this everywhere. Houses being left vacant in my neighborhood due to bankruptcies, they remain vacant yet the homeless populations are growing. Potholes are everywhere none are getting repaired and those streets are getting harder to drive on. Good jobs are deteriorating into not so good jobs...if you can even find them these days. Gas has gotten ridiculous yet we see Hummers advertised on TV marketed to those with $$ most of us don't have. My step kid reports the homeless are subsistence hunting in the parks of San Fransisco...so why don't they eat cake?

The good citizens of Tehran who have done to us NOTHING, fear a nuke on their city and rightly so because America is a bully out to steal their oil, now that it has stolen Iraq's. Gold is rising and rising while the dollar is falling falling. The chance that this recession which we all saw coming will turn into a Great Depression which we also see coming shows no signs of reversing. I simply do not see Senator mCcaine changing ANY of this for the betterment of America. I see him as someone who will fuel the fires of our final demise. Frankly I am not seeing Senator Clinton helping us much either considering how beholding she will be to the very forces who have put us here: The emerging corporatocracy which includes The Military Industrial Complex. Remember WHO voted for the war in Iraq AND voted to open the door for the next one in Iran? I don't know about you but I am weary of business as usual! So are most of our fellow Americans. I don't want to again see a DU that wakes up to that bitter disappointment that Madam Speaker dealt us when she threw away our ability to impeach an obvious criminal, an obvious murderer.

Senator Obama gives me the HOPE that somehow we may yet make it. In spite of all that I have learned here, I feel that he is the last one standing who has a chance to turn things around for America. He rises from We The People. Can we say the same for Senator mCcaine or Senator Clinton or President bush? That is why Obama gives me HOPE! I am willing to roll up my sleeves to help President Obama and I know in my heart that millions of us are willing to do the same. That is why I hold on to my dream, my own audacity of hope.

I'll not let the shitbirds here take that dream away from me. I still believe that I'll be attending that ceremony in Washington DC on February 12, 2009. I believe that it will be sunny on that day in our capital city. I hope to meet you and many of our fellow DUers there on that sunny day. Perhaps by then, we will have found it in our hearts the means to forgive a few of our fellow DUers for what they did back in early 2008.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:25 PM
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16. Go n-ithe an cat th is go n-ithe an diabhal an cat.
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