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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:09 PM
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Novak was right (Wright) about the machinations of the Clinton slime machine
Folks what is happening is not accidental. Too much money is being paid to make it happen for accidents to be tolerated.

The Clinton campaign is most likely behind the pushing of each of these recent flamebait stories that tend to create doubt and fear about the Obama candidacy. IMHO it is only a tactic of the Penn propaganda strategy to make it appear to be Republican driven. The are counting on the naivete of the majority of the audience for this crap.

The timing does not benefit the Republicans and even if RW channels have to be used to push these stories it is NOT the McCain campaign that benefits at this time.

Last November people pooh-poohed Novak column that stated"


Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/clint...


I guess the pressure to serve the public with important truths about "importance of being Black" and "being in the Black Church" etc became to hard to resist.

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:12 PM
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1. That's some prime paranoia
When FOX and Rush Limbaugh drive a story against the presumptive Democratic nominee, it's all about Hillary.

Why not just admit you hate Hillary a lot more than you hate Republicans and be done with it?
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:18 PM
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5. Because of axioms like "Follow the money"...
...Who benefits the most from this at this particular time?

Were the Repubs interested in making hay with it, they would have been best served by saving it until mid-October.

Yet only days after the Ferraro flap, this old info bubbles to the top again.

Granted, the media is looking for anything to keep the "juice" flowing in coverage of a contentious primary that will be dormant for a month, but again, why use it now as opposed to a couple of weeks from now?

I'm thinking this is more about Pennsylvania than anything else.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:23 PM
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32. I think Hillary has bet the farm on her hand, What's in her hand? The Race Card!
Nothing else. Consider:
Ferraro goes off about Obama's race - accident?
The Wright tapes come out - coincidence?
Rendell says people in his state aren't ready for a black POTUS - inside info?
Polling data! They think if they hammer hard enough the latent prejudices in the voting populace will win out. After claiming the mantle of "First Black President", Bill and Hill have thrown that voting bloc under the bus TO WIN. They must WIN. No matter what the cost.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:55 PM
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40. Stop drinking the bilgewater, bill,

it has diminished your reasoning ability and could be causing brain damage.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:00 PM
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43. LOL! You people crack me up! nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:26 PM
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7. The Clinton haters are out there, and if she gets the nomination you haven't seen anything yet
I think it was ABC who presented this story about wright. Remember ABC, they are the ones who revised history on 9/11, and effectively blamed the Clinton administration

Guilt by association isn't a good thing, but for those people who believe that Hillary will have no problem against mccain if she gets the nomination in the general election, must be smoking some good stuff

When the Clinton associations are brought up, it will ensure our defeat for the executive branch

There were so many more qualified women or people that could have been chosen.

The Clinton baggage will come back to haunt us in the general election

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:49 PM
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52. It would "haunt" us but hilary's
not going to make it.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:16 PM
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2. While knowing who the messenger is does matter, the message itslef
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:17 PM by Benhurst
is more important.

Whatever is out there probably will come out. The corporate media is not going to protect any Democrat the way it does Republicans.

Whatever it is, about whichever candidate, I'd rather have it come out now than during the general election.

If the story is overblown, there is plenty of time now for it to be deflated and dismissed. If it is about a serious flaw or vulnerability, better to be made aware of the problem now than later.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:28 PM
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9. Good assessment, though I believe it looks bad for whoever the
Democratic nominee is, for the very reason you gave, and because the Clinton campaign has not only supplied ammunition against Obama, i.e. experience, but also against itself


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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:34 PM
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25. I share your misgivings and hope the convention goes for a
compromise candidate. The stakes are too high for the party, the country and the world, for us to be held captive to the ambitions of failed candidates and their dogged followers.

Biden, Dodd ... ??? There has to be someone out there the party could unite behind. I really don't see the Clinton or Obama people coming together to reunify the party if either is the nominee.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:16 PM
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3. The article (dated 11/07) also says:
"Experienced Democratic political operatives believe Clinton wants to avoid a repetition of 2004, when attacks on each other by presidential candidates Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt were mutually destructive and facilitated John Kerry's nomination."

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:28 PM
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24. "Clinton wants to avoid a repetition of 2004..."
Right, but then she hired Mark Penn. Collapse of sincerity ensued.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:17 PM
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4. You are accusing people without evidence or proof. You should be better than that.
It is typical of immature people to want to blame someone else for their own misfortunes. That is usually easier than accepting facts as they are.

But it is immoral, unethical, weak and dishonorable to do so, as well as unfair, unamerican and undemocratic.

It is the kind of behavior one sees in pograms and lynch mobs. It is mob mentality, and you should try to restrain yourself from it.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:08 PM
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19. You make good points
I just want a Dem in the White House

I really don't think that there is much difference between Obama and Hillary's positions.

But I think the supporters of Obama and Hillary may give the victory to McCain and then Bush will have won.

Supreme Court

Tax laws that continue to give the money and power to the super rich and the corporations while continuing to shrink the middle class

Same troops sent back to Iraq again and again and again

Dismantlement of Social Security and Medicare

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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:22 PM
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6. Better dial-back the 'Sensitivity'. You're off the fk'n charts!!

Novak ... good gawd!

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:27 PM
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8. Sorry, this sort of thing would no way benefit Hilary.
The Right are proud to claim responsibility.

When Sean Hannity says he believes this should disqualify Obama
for the Presidency he is being sincere. Sean has been working on
this story for what seems like a year. Kessler at Newsmax, likewise
has been on this story.

I am not defending here. We can make serious meistakes when
we so willingly accuse the wrong people.

The Right sees through a different prism. Pretty much they hold
a belief--America, Right or Wrong. (One stands up for America
in all situations. Criticising the country is close to treason.)
I am certain, you have heard the expression--"the hate America
Crowd". This is the Right's peeception of the Left. Minister
Wright's comments reflect hate for America in the mind of a
Hannity and others on the Right.

The Right see this as a rallying issue to bring Americans to
support the GOP.

This issue in no way helps Hillary. Even Pat Buchanan at MSNBC
explained how the GOP will use this in GE not just now.


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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:47 PM
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26. Then why didn't Hannity beat the drum on it...
...when the latest video was made, months ago?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:28 PM
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10. Clinton made Obama's Mentor and Spritual leader say stupid thing? Clinton made him do that?
The DUbamas have jumped the shark...
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:42 PM
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12. This is old information. What is new is the provocative excerpts and the pushing via channels
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:47 PM
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15. The videos. Before it was just words. Now it words and pictures.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:47 PM
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46. The church sells the videos on its website, Clinton made them sell the tapes?
Blaming everything that ever happened in the history of the universe on Hillary is an odd hobby.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:06 PM
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50. ?
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:42 PM
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13. This is old information. What is new is the provocative excerpts and the pushing via channels
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 PM
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27. That's my point...
...Why now? Who benefits the most from the timing?
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:48 PM
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16. Pearls of wisdom
from the Douche Bag of Liberty. :rofl:
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:36 PM
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11. I know a little about modern "PR" or the manufacturing of opinion business Penn's is paid hugely for
I don't believe the way the NAFTA story was orchestrated, the way the Ferraro comments were allowed to float or the timing to the sudden "Outrage" at Wright's firey "Black Church" rhetoric is
accidental.

I don't believe in "fairy tales."
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:08 PM
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44. Well Hell She should have used these things about a month ago
Instead of waiting for the numbers to rise. You probably should have been her advisor to give her pointers since you know all this Rovian stuff so well.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:44 PM
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14. I remember when secret dirt used to really be secret
Scandals used to be something that it took a high level effort, big bribes, or special inside sources to unearth. Times have changed.

Reverend Wright's church has been opensly selling these tapes of his sermons to the public for years. The New York Times ran a story on how Wright might become too hot for Obama to associate with if he ran for President almost a year ago.

Back in Joe McCarthy's era there used to be a commie under every bush. The modern update seems claim now it's someone from the Clinton camp. No doubt a Clinton agent infiltrated Wright's Church years ago and convinced him to sell tapes of his sermons in anticipation of Hillary running against Barack for President some day.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:48 PM
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17. Try And Come Back Down To Reality When You Get The Chance. This Has Nothing To Do With Hillary.
Get a grip. You look ridiculous.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:53 PM
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18. The email's pushing these stories in RW and MSM are coming from know Clintonsources
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:14 PM
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20. When You Come Back Down To Reality, Maybe We Can Talk Then.
In the meantime, may the rest of your trip off in lala land be a pleasant one.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:24 PM
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21. So
Did Hillary book McClurkin also?
I'm sorry but Obama's judgment about relgious figures saying stuff on his campaign has been poor from last fall onward. Had he respected gay people and had his backers taken an honest look at that, and demanded a full apology and denouncment, Obama would now have a 'preacher cushion', having taken a stand against incindiary rhetoric long ago. Instead he said he disagees with some of McClurkin but will continue to listen to McClurkin's message and that he considers those who harbor religious bigotry toward others to be 'good, decent, and moral people'. Odd that some bigots are good people and others should be damned for bigotry, depending on which preacher of Obama's one asks. McClurkin says gays are to blame, he's at war with us for trying to kill children. Wright is inclusive of gay people and sees our struggle for what it is, a civil rights and freedom fight. Much contradiction, and all of it Obama's own doing. He wants to be pals with the hater and the hated. He want to sick bigots on me and still get my good word about him when bigots attack him.
He just looks so unfounded in a real philosophy.
Hillary did not do that. Barack Obama lost my vote when he stood with McClurkin's religous ignorance over truth and inclusion. He has yet to ask for it again in any meaningful way. Insult me, lose my vote. Simple.
I understand guys like Wright. But not mealy mouthed types like Obama who want it both ways. He cheers for the good guys and the bad guys. What the hell is that?
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:42 PM
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37. Heh-heh. Political expediency is all. NAFTA-just pol. rhetoric; J Wright-don't agree with him here,
although he attended the church for 20 years, calls him his spiritual advisor and mentor. And then there's this:

From AUGUST 2007:

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/1...

Eyewitness says BO was there at the sermon in which Wright gave such speeches, too!

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:25 PM
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22. Desperate much?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:28 PM
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23. You believe anything Novakula says?

:rofl:
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:08 PM
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28. Bonehead fucks up and its Hillarys fault.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:11 PM
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29. Why didnt it come out the week of PA?Hillary really should have waited.Ibetter call her.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:00 PM
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41. LOL! Yeah, her timing's off on this one! nt
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:11 PM
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30. How sweet, another divider in our midst.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:12 PM
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31. You believe Novak?!? No wonder some of you hate Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:28 PM
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34. these idiots are blaming Hillary. good gawd.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:26 PM
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33. SHAME ON YOU--digging that crap up and blaming Hilliary for BO mess.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:31 PM
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35. I know that it makes things easy for your
little pea brain if you can blame everything on Hillary, but she had nothing to do with this. The rightwing slime machine is out in force because Obama was in the lead. They want a brokered convention so McCain can skate until after the convention.

Suggesting that this is Hillary's doing is typical rightwing tactics.

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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:33 PM
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36. Yeah, Novak rules your world
This is stupid. You have zero evidence, except from your friend Bob Novak, that the Clinton campaign had anything to do with this. What about St. Barack taking some responsibi...oh, right. He doesn't make mistakes. :sarcasm:
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 PM
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38. LOL! Yup, Hillary made him attend that church for 20 years, made him call JW his 'advisor'..
..and 'spiritual mentor', even told him to give lots of thousands of $$$ to the church last year. All that, despite J Wright insulting the Clintons with such sexually suggestive and vulgar comments in a speech. In church. Yep, it's all Hillary's fault.

Go jump in the lake - any lake will do.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:52 PM
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39. Oh, yea...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


snip//

Hillary holds up her role as First Lady as the reason she's "ready to lead from day one," and there may be some truth in that. Among the things she learned during those days was how run parallel political and insurgent actions. She learned this when husband Bill helped negotiate a settlement in Northern Ireland. While the Irish Republican Army conducted the ugly part of their insurgency the leader of its political arm, Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams, stayed above it all making nice in Parliament. When his IRA fighters blew something, (or someone) up, Adams would bemoan the violence, even condemn it. Then he'd offer his political solutions/demands.

Likewise, each time one of her campaigner sets off an IED aimed at Obama, Hillary denies her campaign is behind it. If the uproar is loud enough, she even condemns it. Then she makes nice, assuring everyone that all she really wants is peace and reconciliation on her terms, of course.

Will she stop these IED attacks? Well, (have you ever noticed when on the spot Hillary always begins her response with "well.") Well, she'd just love to stop that kind of stuff, but she quickly adds she can't because, "you know, it's a free country and people have a right to say what ever they want."

But does she agree with the things people speaking on her behalf are saying? Well, of course not. "Well, I certainly don't agree with everything people who say the support me say," she demurely adds.

In other words, stop the IEDs "no way, Jose." Because this is all she's got left. Obama has already won the hearts and minds of the majority of Democratic voters. If she stops the IEDs now Obama would have a nearly unobstructed path to the nomination. She's can no longer count on just slowing him down, she's got to stop him. She needs to wound him so badly he can no longer win.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:49 PM
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47. actually, sweetie
Hillary Clinton has won the majority of DEMOCRATIC voters.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:51 PM
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53. There's no way to know that
Exit polls are not taken in caucus states, and many states don't have party registration.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:00 PM
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42. LOL...Talk about twisting in the wind
So now it's Hillary's fault that Wright said all those racist things? Yeah...Hillary twisted his arm till he shouted God Damn America!

What a dumb statement/question. Get a grip on reality and take responsibility. Stop copying GWB.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:15 PM
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45. And it's Hillary's fault McClurkin was a guest preacher for Obama
And it's Hillary's fault Wright made videos of his sermons and sold them to the public, but dang it, her timing is off. Maybe the OP should advise her.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:51 PM
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48. I've got your "Clinton slime machine" right here, pal.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 09:51 PM by Perry Logan
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:04 PM
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49. I feel sorry for you. I truly do
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 PM
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51. zOMG!!!
Hillary is the new Clenis!!!

:eyes:
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