Is it possible Clinton & McCain are colluding?

[Stephanie]

Clinton wants to run and McCain wants to run against Clinton. Right? Do you think they're collaborating on these smears against Obama?

[chimpymustgo]

1. Stephanie, really. The Church of Obamatology is going too far.

[Texas Hill Country]

4. yep... it's an obamanation! (lol)

Actually, more seriously, I am quite offended.

[Tellurian]

9. McCain would love to run against Obama... Clinton.. not so much!

[Stephanie]

15. I guess you haven't read the polling.

Obama polls far better against McCain than she does. Hillary & McCain are two peas in the pod. What are they going to argue about? They agree!

[Tellurian]

27. That was then.... the latest scandal will bury Obama in a week. Obama is finished..

NO country lovin American will vote for him now.. He supports "God Damn America"!

[polpilot]

30. Pr-War, Pro-NAFTA Clinton...now that's REAL CHANGE!!

In best case scenario she loses 6% to McCain. Best case.

[Tellurian]

35. If you knew what you were talking about, that would be one thing...

Let me know when you can post something credible besides your lame brained opinion.

[polpilot]

46. Denying Hillary's war vote is as bad as her defending it. Denying Clinton's pro-NAFTA

belief and support isn't helping your country, at all. These two bad decisions have done more to undermine America and the American family than any legislation in the previous 60 years. Spend your time trying to develop (in your mind) why, if she's nominated, that she lost. I'm sure you'll have brilliant reasons for her defeat. Unfortunately they won't be reality based.

[Tellurian]

49. Hillary is the only viable Dem we have as the Democratic Nominee..

Obama is wracked with Lies and Scandal. What part of that newflash don't you understand?

[Stephanie]

62. Jesus you're stupid.

It must be painful going through life like that.

[Hepburn]

56. ROFPIMPLMAO....

....your jokes are old...but still, anyone making this much of a fool of him/herself is worthy of being laughed at!



Sooooooo...why is the queen hiding her tax returns?

[Lucinda]

51. Mario Coumo said that Hillary has an easier road because McCain can't hit her about

Iraq. I agree with him. She voted, she funded, she's on the ASC, and most of the country agrees with her about bringing the troops home as fast as possible. McCain talking about surges and losing won't cut it.

I've never bought into the the "Hillary is the easy one, and they want to run against her" meme.

As far as current matchup polling goes, IMO it really doesn't matter. Everything changes once it goes head to head. Polling numbers can turn on a dime.

In GE issues, it's all about the economy. No one can get up to speed fast enough to debate Hillary or Obama about economic issues. Health care is a target for either Hillary or Obama, but again, a huge number of people want health care.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

61. Hilary's husband (in name) Bill - was on Limbaugh show day of Tx & OH primary

so, they have the same team structure.

[UALRBSofL]

43. chimpy I have already

Alerted the moderators about this thread. It's very offensive and divisive. It is against DU policy.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

59. well they both have same advisory firm - Mark Penn's

maybe all of this is to make sure that the Dems don't win. Fits right in with the DLC pattern.

Hillary is a multi millionaire anyway, her corporate masters are in power if she
or McCain win.

[VotesForWomen]

73. yep. Obama good, everyone else pure evil. nt

[jgraz]

2. Actually, I think it's just Hillary

Say what you want about McCain, he still retains a shred of honor and dignity.

[crikkett]

8. mccain has no honor or dignity and I don't think he cares about human life.

[jgraz]

10. You could make a good case for all of that

My impression is that he still cares a bit about how he's perceived in public.

[Swamp Rat]

25. McCain has no honor or dignity... He's insane in the membrane.

McCain on waterboarding: "I believe that it is torture, very exquisite torture."

[IdClaire]

32. insane in the brain nt

[Swamp Rat]

37. Welcome to DU!

[thevoiceofreason]

3. Over 50% chance.

But so what. They'll both lose.

[dajoki]

5. ANYTHING is possible...

but that doesn't make it LIKELY.

[GrandmaJones7]

67. I agree with you. The OP is dilusional. NTXT

.

[dajoki]

78. I won't go there...

I can be delusional at times.

[Saturday]

6. Of course, it's all Hillary's

fault.

[k8conant]

7. NO, but they're working separately towards the same end...

[Submariner]

11. Hillary and McCain are both neocons, so anything is possible

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[slinkerwink]

12. Mark Penn (Hill) and Charlie Black (McCain) own the same firm

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

65. It took 12 posts.

Now I don't have to.

[blm]

66. And they've done it before when neither wanted to face Kerry on a debate stage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Hillary KNEW for at least 24 hours at this point that the prepared remarks proved Kerry merely dropped a pronoun from a joke. Instead of defending a fellow Dem from the VRW lie machine, she found a camera to VALIDATE the smear.

[saltpoint]

13. It can't be ruled out but without evidence it can't be ruled in.

[Swamp Rat]

26. Yep

Good morning Mr. OC!

[saltpoint]

29. and a good mornin' right back, sir. Good to see ya.

[Swamp Rat]

31. After a hard week of studies, I took yesterday afternoon off to complete this:

[saltpoint]

33. I love it. Have you been to the Crazy Horse statue?

I got to see it when it was c. halfway done.

It's very impressive -- and long overdue.

Chief Joseph speaks for me.

[Swamp Rat]

52. No, not yet.

If I can't go abroad this year I will consider visiting it. My native roots are up that way (Ho-Chunk/Wisconsin).

You might be interested in this thread I started:

"Lakotah Unilateral Withdrawal from All Agreements and Treaties with the United States of America"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Stephanie]

38. That is beautiful!

Thanks Swampy for sharing that!

[Swamp Rat]

53. Thanks

[okasha]

54. That is gorgeous, Swamp Rat.

If you're selling prints, PM me how to order one, please.

[Swamp Rat]

55. I don't sell my work, but thanks.

You are free to download it.

[okasha]

80. Wa'do! Thank you!

I'm going to make it my new wallpaper.

[hisownpetard]

57. Poignant and beautiful. Thanks for that.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

69. Glad it wasn't this:

[Swamp Rat]

70. Ack!

Park Rangers would have to guard it 24/7 to keep people from dynamiting into little pebbles.

[GoldieAZ49]

They don't need to - The media is deconstructing Obama

with the scrutiny that should have been given his campaign long ago, when we still had options

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Is It Possible That You've Totally Gone Off The Deep End?

[rocktivity]

16. No, but I certainly think the Rethugs see Hillary as the lesser of two evils

Through her DLC ties, Hillary would be the easier Dem to for them to collude with if she DID win.


rocknation

[MNDemNY]

17. Or, could Obama's lies and less than half-truths be the cause?

[Stephanie]

20. Please name one

Thanks.

[MNDemNY]

28. He claims he was "unaware " of the pastors comments.

He says his only connection to Rezco is 5 hours of legal work, He claims to have a plan for "universal" health care, He claimed to be unaware of little Donnie's homophobia.............

[Stephanie]

36. He said he was unaware until he started running for president, when he was then made aware of them.

You don't have any evidence to the contrary.

He was accused in the debate of "working" for Rezco, and he truthfully stated he only did five hours of work, as a partner in his law firm confirmed. That was a truthful answer.

Hillary's plan is to universally force the public to purchase insurance. Neither plan is single-payer which is what true universal health care would be.

You have no evidence that Obama was aware of McClurkin's statements beforehand.

[MNDemNY]

41. Then why did he cancel the invocation that Rev Wright was to give at his announcement of his run?

Sorry doesn't fly, hell it doesn't walk. This story is the end of obamanation.Your arguments require one to take everything the lord god-obama says as truth. All you can say is that your guy denies it so there! Good argument, but as shallow as obama.

[Stephanie]

44. Because his team did the research when he decided to run.

And they found the disturbing statements. He said very clearly last night on CNN that he was unaware of the statements at the time they were made but he did become aware when he started running for president. You don't start running on the day of the announcement. Step One is to vet yourself, by having your team dig up anything that might be used against you. He distanced himself from Wright last year because he did not agree with these statements.

[MNDemNY]

47. Keep up the "hope" that's all you got.

Obama is as good as done. If he gets the nomination, hello president McCain. The fork is in.

[Stephanie]

48. Yeah. "Hope" is a bad thing, and smearing your opponent's church is good.

[MNDemNY]

50. His self admitted "spiritual adviser of twenty years".

Obama owns that statement.

[Stephanie]

58. So what? He doesn't have to agree with every word the man says.

Especially when he wasn't even aware of it. Are you going to ask Oprah to renounce him too? That's her church as well.

[High Plains]

72. Hannity, is that you?

[Up2Late]

18. No. Next ridiculous question.

If you want to know where "this" is coming from, just check the RW AM Talk shows (and their websites), and the RW-"news" sites, like "NewsMax" and the one that sound like "weekly worlds news," It's something like that, I just can't remember the name of in now.

[Stephanie]

21. Click the link in the OP

Obama's "opponents" have been pushing the story.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. After Hillary's endorsement of McCain, anything is possible

[Stephanie]

23. That's what I'm thinking.

And I think he'd much prefer to run against her.

[mtnsnake]

22. Yes, you finally figured it out, but PLEASE don't tell the media about it, OK?

We just wouldn't want this breaking news to ruin Hillary's chances (snicker)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. If Newton and Leibniz could invent calculus independent of each other...

it's not startling for two people to note the same vulnerabilities in a candidate.

[Skidmore]

34. Possible? Absolutely! Go to this link and I think you'll have no question..

http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-c...

[Recursion]

39. McCain was on TV saying it's not fair to criticize Obama for his pastor's views

And saying "I know Senator Obama and he does not share those views"

Not "as far as I know"

Not "I think he doesn't share those views"

So he gets the advantage of appearing to take the high road while Clinton slams his opponent for November.

In fairness, McCain was also pretty fiercely against the Swiftliars, and didn't go negative on Shrub in 2000. Maybe he likes to run positive campaigns.

[Stephanie]

40. You think McCain wouldn't stoop so low as Hillary's willing to go?

You might be right. She has no principles.

[Recursion]

45. I didn't say that. The only tough campaign he's ever had was 2000

The fact that he didn't go negative even after vile Rovian attacks on him (frankly some of the most disgusting attacks I've seen in politics: claiming he was mentally unbalanced because of his POW time, insinuating the girl they adopted was his illegitimate child, etc.) could mean a few things:

A) Maybe he has principles. Before the chorus of people accuse me of naivite, this is actually possible. His "maverick" status and distrust from the GOP rank and file come from the fact that he doesn't toe the GOP line all the time; it's possible he actually is a principled person with some wrong political views.

B) Maybe he saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to damage his party's eventual nominee (hint, hint)

C) Maybe he's a really bad campaigner and just couldn't mount an attack

D) Some or all of the above

[dansolo]

42. Clinton, no. Penn, yes.

[dailykoff]

60. Let's just say they're both "patriotic."

And that's what Hillary's senate record shows.

[2rth2pwr]

63. If you look closely at the videos of Pastor Wright, you can see that it's

really McCain in blackface.

[GoneOffShore]

64. Damn - I thought you said they were CUDDLING!

There's a visual I just don't want to contemplate.

[Moochy]

68. National Plutocratic Party

Their campaigns run by the same PR firm.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-c...

[Stephanie]

74. Do you suppose they have a firewall btw the campaigns at that ofc?

Yeah, I doubt it too.

[jillan]

71. And you wonder why we call some of you Obamites.

[Stephanie]

75. And we wonder why namecalling is your only response to serious questions.

Your girl has proven to be a dishonest, mudslinging dirty little cheat. I guess that's the kind of status quo you believe in. The rest of us are moving on.

[jillan]

79. And Obama is just perfect.

[AZBlue]

76. Possible? I'd bet money on it.

And I don't have extra money for frivolous betting - but this would be a sure thing.


Can't you just feel the love?

[dailykoff]

77. They are both benificiaries of the same events.

The both won NH, for example, after losing in Iowa, and what do you know, McCain wound up as the nominee.

Hillary is proving to be a much tougher sell, but she knows she's got the best fixers in the business behind her, and if they could foist Monkey Boy on us for eight years, they ought to be able to foist her.

Basically, she's McCain's understudy, and I think she fully expects Obama to be taken out in any way necessary.