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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:40 AM
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If Obama loses in November, it will make it that much harder for a woman President.
I see an awful lot of people here (Hillary fans) who seem to be hoping Obama will lose this year so they could face on McCain in 2012.

Well to start, first let me make something very clear, Hillary would not win the nomination in 2012. Many people, especially blacks, would blame Hillary for Obama's downfall and would be very against her. She would not win the nomination ESPECIALLY if someone like Gore runs. We still do not know who will run, and if a big name like Gore goes at it, it will be completely over.

So first and foremost, I think Hillary would have no shot in the future if Obama loses something we should win. Practically endorsing McCain over Obama is stuff that will hurt us in the GE. Hillary has crossed the line.

Now as far as other women (or people of other races) goes, many Democrats would be very nervous to elect a woman or a black. Obama has a RIDICULOUS amount of hype. I have never seen anything like it. Many will think that if a guy like him can't win, how could another minority win? They would see America as a bunch of bigots.

If we go through the next 4 years with McCain, it will causes Democrats to become incredibly bitter, and they will want someone to blame. One of those people will be Hillary, and they will be beyond pissed at her. She could very easily become the Nader of the party. If she decides to run in 4 years, I doubt many Democrats are going to want to risk the election by going for her. As far as any other woman/black goes, they will also be worried to elect them after witnessing Obama lose.

Trust me, in 4 years (if Obama loses), we would care about only 1 thing for the sake of the party: GETTING BACK THE WHITE HOUSE. We would not risk it.

HOWEVER, if Obama wins, most will see America as a completely changed country. This will make it far more likely for a woman/black/etc to run and be elected in the future.

Point is, if many of you really want to see a woman in office (which it seems is the main reason for many voting Clinton here...), you should go for Obama in the GE.

I have said it over and over, Hillary will NOT be the nominee. We need to rally around Obama not just for the sake of this election, but for the sake of the future of our party.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:41 AM
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1. A qualified, strong, ethical woman with a history of good judgment can win.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:43 AM
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2. yea but that woman
is NOT Hillary Clinton
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 AM
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6. It sure is Hillary Clinton. She will win the nomination
and we can worry about 2016 then!

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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:50 AM
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7. no, she won't
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:51 AM by adoraz
Hillary will NOT win the election. Just look at the math. There isn't any chance she will. IF she does, it will divide the party and she will certainly lose in the GE.

The Supers will back the person with the most delegates. If they don't, Obama supporters would be beyond angry.

People need to accept this. I'm sorry, but its the truth. Obama will be our nominee.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:44 AM
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4. not the point.
yes she COULD win under either circumstance, however if Obama wins I feel she would have a much beter chance.

Obama fits the description you posted (except he is black).
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:44 AM
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3. I agree....
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:44 AM by busymom
Clinton will lose the nomination. As much as I love and support her, I don't see a way for her to pull this out without alienating 1/2 of the party. If she somehow won the nomination, I think she would sink in the GE. Unfortunately, I think the Rev. Wright stuff is too damaging to Obama. The republicans will get a lot of mileage out of it and the comments made by his wife...the soundbites that will be replayed over and over again just....ugh.

I think as a result of this, the dems may lose in Nov. now. Clearly, I'm supporting the dem candidate...but this has been very damaging. It isn't just in the microcosm of GD: P that I hear it.....a lot of people are talking about it. :(

ETA: I hope i'm completely wrong and that we win the GE.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:46 AM
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5. glad to see a Hillary supporter agreeing with me
thanks :)
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:56 AM
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8. Democrats will vote for our nominee because we'll lose the Supreme Court for generations.
All of the progressive rulings WILL be overturned with a solid far-right conservative majority. And you think Terry Schiavo was bad? Just wait.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:00 AM
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9. WRONG
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:02 AM by FreakinDJ
Hilary and Hilary alone will make it that much harder for woman candidates.

AND by all the polling to date Hilary DOES NOT STAND A CHANCE of beating McCain.
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