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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:38 AM
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Another of Hillary's top donors is pressuring Dean personally about Florida.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:40 AM by madfloridian
This is getting a little out of control. I know there was something about this last night. Here is more detail from TPM. This is alarming, but maybe it is good we are finding out about it.

Top Hillary Donor Directly Pressures Dean: "Exercise Some Leadership" On Florida And Michigan

Here are details on Patricof, but other large Florida donors are threatening Dean with funds being withheld.

In an interview with Election Central, venture capitalist Alan Patricof, a member of Hillary's finance committee and one of the Democratic Party's most influential fundraisers, said that he'd privately urged Dean to do more to get the Florida and Michigan delegations seated -- something that's crucial to the Hillary camp's hopes of closing the gap with Obama.

"I've expressed to Dean my feeling that it's critical that this matter be resolved on a timely basis," Patricof says. "The voters in Florida and Michgan cannot be disenfranchised."

"He's got to exercise some leadership, and the sooner, the better," Patricof continued. "This is a party issue. We cannot afford to alienate this large a voting population in two very important states."

That such an influential fundraiser is unhappy with the DNC could prove problematic, since the DNC of course relies on such figures to keep the money flowing in.


Wanting the "as is" delegations seated can only be done by the credentials committee. Last night the chairman of that committee warned Florida:

TALLAHASSEE - Florida Democrats got a stern warning Friday from the co-chairman of a group that will determine whether the state gets a say in the presidential race: Hold a re-vote, or risk not getting seated at the party convention to pick a nominee.

"It's the responsibility of the state Democratic Party to come up with a proposal that complies with the rules and has the support and the planning that's needed within the state," James Roosevelt, who runs the Democratic National Committee's credentials committee, told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

Credentials panel leader warns Florida Democrats they should re-vote


I posted last night about two others, and TPM mentions them as well.

Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do.
If youre not going to count my vote, Im not going to give you my money, said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.

Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Floridas delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back.

If we do not resolve this issue, Mr. Korge said, I think its safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.

Donors threatening Dean with getting money back.


The Nation article called The Dean Legacy reported that Hillary was setting up her own campaign structure, sort of a shadow DNC.

The Dean Legacy

A few months earlier, The New Republic had reported that Clinton's camp was "laying the groundwork to circumvent the DNC in the event that Clinton wins the nomination." This shadow DNC had a number of integral parts: adviser Harold Ickes would develop state-of-the-art technology to help Clinton reach prospective voters; EMILY's List and Clinton's allies in organized labor would launch an unprecedented effort to turn out supporters, especially women voters; former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe would raise untold sums from wealthy donors and the business community; and communications honcho Howard Wolfson would direct an unrelenting war room. Ever since 1992 the Clintons had used the DNC as an outpost for raising money from big donors, and funding candidates had taken precedence over nurturing progressive organizers. That model would continue into '08. Dean could remain at the DNC as a figurehead but only if he stayed in line.


I believe that article to be totally true. We know now that Obama is using the DNC voter list and building it up in return to benefit the party. We suspect that Hillary is using Catalist, as we know she is using a private list.

These threats need the light of day. It is in effect trying to buy the nomination by threatening the chairman to financially destroy his committee.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:42 AM
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1. who do you suppose is pressuring the black super delegates to go for Obama?>
Where is the story on that pressure?>
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:44 AM
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2. Stop it...stop refusing to read. Stop refusing to think.
They are threatening to destroy the party itself, and you don't bother to read it.

Mindless attacks are going to kill our party.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 AM
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6. Do you know that the black superdelegates are getting pressured
to change their support to obama? Is that not concerning to you? Why is it only concerning when Clinton pressures?

What the hell is with this double standard?

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:51 AM
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8. That is NOT what my post was about.
My post is about big money owning the party. I posted nothing about race, nothing about black or white. You should start your own thread about it.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:45 AM
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3. There OUGHT to be a major backlash - this is EXACTLY the type of politics we don't want
It's one thing to believe that the two candidates have similar positions on the issues, but that is only a small part of governing.

To Hillary supporters (in case you're listening)... if you heard this report about any other candidate than Hillary, would you, in your heart-of-hearts, be able to support this candidacy, knowing that it could lead to parallel structures? This is what authoritarian regimes do (think Bush/Cheney)--destroy the established structures to replace them with one of one's one creation and where the only loyalties are to the creator.

Is this what you want for our country? Do you not see the potential for disaster?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 AM
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4. Good
They shouldn't donate if the DNC wants to disenfranchise them.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 AM
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5. K&R Thanks for keeping us up on the facts on just what is going on in Florida.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:49 AM
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7. Patricof is organizing more large donors to pressure Dean to give in.
I missed this paragraph.

"In the interview with Election Central, Patricof seemed to suggest that more top donors would be insisting that Dean resolve the situation: "I'm sure there are other like-minded people who want this to happen," he said. "It's critical."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03...
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:57 AM
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9. The comments attached to that article are pretty dang good too.
Thanks again!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:08 AM
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12. I LOVE the comments there at TPM. This one especially.
"If you believe in Dean and believe in the 50-state strategy that Clinton and her minions are so allergic too, then show Dean some love:

http://www.dnc.org/splashcrowd.php

If it weren't for Dean (and the online grass roots' support for a 50 states strategy), we wouldn't have taken 2006 as big as we did and Barack Obama's campaign would be a shell of what it is today. After all, he IS following the Dean strategy."

http://www.dnc.org/splashcrowd.php

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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:16 AM
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14. MF- DKOS also
has a top rec story linking Mcawful to use these Hill donors to dump on Dean. We need to donate to the DNC to support Dean. See Dkos.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:20 AM
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17. Aha...McAuliffe had a meeting? This last Wednesday. Interesting.
"About 250 top fund-raisers for Mrs. Clinton met Wednesday in Washington. Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton campaigns chairman and a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, encouraged the donors to pick up the phone and call party leaders, as did Mrs. Clinton.

But Mr. McAuliffe said in an interview Friday that he did not approve of donors holding back their contributions to the D.N.C."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate....

That is just too damn coincidental.


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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:02 AM
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10. A big ol REC from me! Thanks madfloridian, for all you do!
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 AM by KAZ
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:05 AM
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11. The DNC better wise up fast.
If they don't, they're going to destroy themselves. I suggest one of two things for FL:

1. Seat half the delegates, and allow NO superdelegates from FL
2. FL holds a "supplemental" vote for those that didn't vote in January.

Either of those should end the problem with FL. A new primary is unacceptable.

Michigan is a bit tougher.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:14 AM
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13. Dean better wise up fast. He's backing Obama, a dead horse for the nomination..
How does he bail out of this one and keep the Party intact?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:19 AM
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15. I would be banned if I posted untrue things like you do. I would be gone.
But you get away with it all the time.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:21 AM
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18. What is not True..
Dean, along with Kerry and Kennedy are supporting Obama, are they not?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:23 AM
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20. See, you just make it up and post it. I can not imagine having that much nerve.
I value truth too much.

You are hurting this forum with posts that are not true. Bye.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:34 AM
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21. But you refuse to have a conversation stating facts..
clarifiying your accusation why you think, I'm stating Lies..

The question is:

Is Howard Dean supporting Obama along with Kerry and Kennedy as the Dem Nominee?

If so, and Obama turns out to be damaged goods, when will he turn his support to the only Dem Left standing, Sen Hillary Clinton?
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:22 AM
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19. Apologies, madfloridian
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:24 AM by Birthmark
My eyes went wonkey and I thought that that post was directed at me. Sorry.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:19 AM
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16. I recommend compromise and flexibility
That leaves the DNC four years to figure out how to deal better with the problem of states moving up their primaries and shuts up people like me.

As to the Clinton-Obama politics, I don't know what he does. I've tried to stay out of that aspect of the thing since I don't have a preference between the two. I just wish their backers would quit pissing on each other.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:42 AM
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22. "I'm gonna take my marbles and go home..."
...is rarely a logical way to improve ones situation.

I hope those who are pressuring the DNC to allow votes from an unauthorized primary, one that the state party and politicians KNEW would be ignored is ludicrous on its face.

Perhaps they'd feel better moving their donations to the Greens, or the Republican party. Yes, they'll respect their support... :sarcasm:

Duke
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:06 PM
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23. More on Chris "don't call me a lobbyist" Korge...from 1998
Thanks to poster Billy Burnett for sharing this article. I found it interesting because some of the names are so familiar.

Don't Call Me a Lobbyist

"Even though my name is Chris Korge and Alex Penelas is my best buddy and all the commissioners are indebted to me and I guarantee you'll get that fat county contract
By Jim DeFede
Published: July 23, 1998

Toss out the name of any county politician and it's a sure bet Chris Korge has raised money for his or her election campaigns."

...." In other words, at one time or another Chris Korge has bestowed his special brand of munificence on every single county commissioner currently in office. "Right," he confirms with a smile. "I would venture to say I was one of the top five fundraisers for each individual commissioner in their elections."

If you know the names, makes for some interesting reading from 1998..

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:13 PM
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24. Obama's fundraiser to Korge: "beat us on the field you agreed to and stop whining."
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/17/State/Vice_President_...

"Democrats' fundraisers are going at it

Things are getting a tad testy between Barack Obama's top Florida fundraiser, Kirk Wagar of Miami, and Hillary Clinton's top money man, Chris Korge of Miami. Here's a just a snippet of the mass e-mails we saw hurling back and forth last week between the two about whether Florida should be seated at the Democratic convention:

Korge: "While Sen. Obama writes us off as irrelevant and Howard Dean tries to avoid the issue, Hillary has consistently supported the voters of Florida and ... maintained that our delegates should be seated."

Wagar: "Instead of twisting history to salvage your hopes of an ambassadorship, perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you didn't lift a finger when many of us were yelling, screaming and cajoling in the fall of 2006 and the first four months of 2007 when this travesty occurred. Beat us on the field you agreed to and stop whining."

I love it..."beat us on the field you agreed to and stop whining."

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:55 PM
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28. I love it, too! Kirk Wagar ate his lunch! Thanks, madfl!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:26 PM
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25. Classy DNC response to this onslaught by big donors.
"Stacie Paxton, a spokeswoman for the D.N.C., defended Mr. Deans handling of the dispute.

While Howard Dean has been working hard to be an honest broker, too many involved have been more concerned with headlines than results, Ms. Paxton said. Its never productive to negotiate through the press, but make no mistake, Howard Dean will continue to lead the effort to find a workable solution thats fair and consistent with the rules.

http://howieinseattle.blogspot.com/2008/03/delegate-bat...

Thanks, Howie.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:29 PM
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26. I am glad to see this. Dean is looking weak --he needs a push. BO should be pushing
to get this resolved also
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:03 PM
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29. Bull Hockey...this is a Hillary power play against the DNC. She has a shadow DNC.
.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:32 PM
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27. and, like everything relating to Shill and McLame
It'll be swept under the rug. MUST ATTACK OBAMA. MUST ATTACK OBAMA.
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