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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:39 AM
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NYT: Influential fundraisers for HRC threaten to withhold donations to DNC if FL, MI not seated!
March 15, 2008

Delegate Battles Embroil 2 States
By MICHAEL LUO and JOHN M. BRODER

Democrats in Michigan and Florida struggled Friday to resolve the impasse over their disputed January primaries, coming up with a plan to hold a June primary in Michigan while remaining deadlocked in Florida.

Reflecting how tense the situation has become, influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders to resolve the matter, with some even threatening to withhold their donations to the Democratic National Committee unless it seats the delegates from the two states or holds new primaries there.

The committee penalized Michigan and Florida for holding their primaries early in violation of national party rules, barring their delegates from being seated at the Democratic convention this summer. But with the Democratic contest now a scramble for every remaining delegate, the allocation of delegates from the two states could have a substantial impact on the nomination.

Mrs. Clinton won the primaries in both states, but the contests were not sanctioned by the party, neither candidate campaigned in the states and Mr. Obama did not even put his name on the ballot in Michigan.

Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do.

If youre not going to count my vote, Im not going to give you my money, said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate....
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:44 AM
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1. If youre not going to count my vote, Im not going to give you my money,
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:45 AM by DrDan
I feel the same way.

I see absolutely no reason I should support the DNC if they do not count my vote as well - either financial support or support for their nominee.

I am not suggesting I would vote for McCain - but there are other options available - for example writing in the candidate of my choice.


Any group that would impose a rule that would disenfranchise a voter for actions beyond the control of that voter - does not deserve any support. This rule was grossly unfair and should never have been allowed to go this far.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:46 AM
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2. Amen. Why should they be disenfranchised and give the DNC $$!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:47 AM
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20. Exactly.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:48 AM
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3. Fundraisers for Hillary that sucked so bad she had to write her
campaign a 5 million dollar check :rofl:

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:40 AM
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11. Fundraisers who will also be funding a "do-over" to benefit HRC, not to make sure voters votes count
This concern for having voters votes count is totally disingenuous on the part of Hillary Clinton's big time fundraisers.

Remember Florida and Michigan were two of four states where Republican turnout exceeded Democratic turnout--extraordinary for this primary season. And the reason was voters knew they were not legitimate contests and would not count. The other two states where Republican turnout exceeded Democratic turnout were Mitt's Utah and McCain's Arizona.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 AM
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4. Good for them
I sure wouldn't give them money if they tried to disenfranchise me.

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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:51 AM
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5. Hmmmmm Blackmail is such a nasty word
so let us call it extortion instead. Is Mr Cejas withdrawing his mony from the Florida Democrats for screwing it up in the first place??

I doubt it
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:55 AM
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6. Good. Fire Dean the incompetent and seat the damn delegates
Enough of his BS.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:13 AM
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7. Oh such disingenuous 'disenfranchisement'
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 08:17 AM by C_U_L8R
The states (and the voters) knew the RULES. They were warned what would happen if they broke the RULES.
It was covered in every media imaginable beforehand and practically everyone in this country knew the votes wouldn't count if the states broke the RULES.
AND they broke the RULES anyway. And now you're all screaming disenfranchisement ???

Do you assume that the country isn't savvy to your bullshit? The only people squawking about this are
Hillary operatives and supporters who are trying to weasel some kind of advantage because they have
botched the rest of their campaign. But you know what, the Clinton's are losing so bad that even if they
do manage to cheat, yes cheat, these two states... they still lose. The Clintons lost a long time ago when
they lost their message and their morality. Disenfranchisement? Hah ! As if any of the solutions you folks
are proposing are actually FAIR to the voters of FL and MI. You want fair.. do a revote or STFU.

I sympathize with the voters of those states that do want their vote to count. And they should unleash FURY
upon their state legislatures who totally fucked things up with their short-sighted and self-absorbed primary moving.
That's who cheated them out of their rightful vote... and they are the ones who should be fixing this mess.

Hillary's financiers and their threats to withhold funding to the DNC should be seen exactly for what it is.
The childish manipulative maneuvering of a campaign that has totally lost everything it is about.
Way to go.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:18 AM
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8. I believe that's called coercion or blackmail.
or possible even extortion. At any rate there is no good word for it.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:31 AM
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10. Money is power. But it's cloaked in "let their votes be counted" which is why they probably think
they can get away with it.

But obviously, the only way their votes should be counted is if they vote again, and Obama and Clinton both get a chance to campaign for the votes.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:20 AM
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9. Did he also ask the Clinton campaign to return his contribution to them?
Harold Ickes, who works for Hillary's campaign, is one of the members of the DNC Rules Committee that voted to take away all of Florida's delegates. If Mr. Cejas is still giving money to Clinton, then he is a hypocrite.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:29 AM
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12. Why doesn't Clinton just start her own damn party then
obviously the Democratic party is just a vehicle for her.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:32 AM
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13. Obama's 1,000,000+ small donors beats Hillary's big donors.
If they're looking for a party you can hold hostage with large donations, they should try the Republicans.

As for this party, we're taking it back.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:55 AM
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22. I have a question about his "donors"
When he first declared his candidacy, he already had almost as much money as Clinton, as everyone knew she was going to run. Where did he get it? He got so much money so fast that it was not possible that it was the little people who donated first. It wasn't until after Iowa that the small donations came in, and yet he was throwing money around like there was no tomorrow in Iowa. Where did it all come from?

Oh, and just for the record, I don't support Obama, Clinton or McCain. I've got no one, and none of them will notice me or my kind much less support us.

zalinda

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:34 AM
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14. OP I wouldn't be surprised about this
A lot of folks are'nt happy about there vote not counting. I looked at the list of donors to each candidate the other day, and, Hillary had more donors and had raised more money in Florida then any other candidate both repug/dem here in florida.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:39 AM
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16. It is votes for Hillary they want counted. Enough of their crocodile tears for rest of us FL voters!
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:46 AM
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19. Yes, the Hillary supporters do want there votes counted
And I'm not sure what will happen in Florida but my guess will be that Florida wont have a re-vote and the DNC wont count Florida. I'm just speculating but I wouldn't be surprised if Florida stayed red. I think 2 weeks ago Nelson stated 25% of democratic voters were disenfranchised about it and wouldn't vote. Where he got the numbers due to a poll or not I don't know but my concerns is we will lose Florida to McCain and I hate it. I don't want that to happen.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:53 AM
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21. It is Hillary supporters who are beating this drum about FL voters not voting in November.
It is a ploy to have the January 29th primary vote be counted or to have a mulligan, a "do-over" for a state who willingly and flagrantly voted to move up the Florida primary--when they were told exactly what the consequence would be.

It is trying to change the rules in the middle of the primary, any way you slice it.

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 AM
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23. Well, I think it's an issue that should be addressed
In my opinion, whether you agree or not agree, whether you support Obama or Clinton I feel it's a real issue. I'm just thinking, if Obama is the nominee, does Dean take a chance in winning the GE in spite of MI/FL? Dean can ignore the issue and hope for the best of these two states or address it proactively. My opinion is, Dean should say either we will address the issue, or tell Florida and Michigan to forget votes and delegates count and to shut up and sit down(not in these words but you get what I'm saying). And then from that point take a chance and hope one or both states come through in the GE.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:36 AM
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24. Remember Hillary's camp thought she'd have nomination all wrapped up by Feb 5th--why FL wanted an
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:37 AM by flpoljunkie
early primary date of January 29th to help her accomplish just that--only it didn't quite work out that way. Florida Democrats knew exactly what they were doing when they aided and abetted the Republicans in our Legislature to hold a primary they were repeatedly warned by the DNC would get their entire delegations stripped of all its votes at the convention.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:35 AM
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15. that is EXTORTION.......
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:41 AM
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18. I'd like to see a fundraising movement for the DNC, if nothing else, to support Dean
:)
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:41 AM
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17. Boo hoo, whaaaaaaa, hissy fit....
...pout....how mature of them ~~ NOT!

:eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:57 AM
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25. Here's another major donor I don't think is listed in the NYT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Alan Patricof...he is organizing more large donors.
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