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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:59 AM
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"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just" -
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that His justice can not sleep forever."

Whether you agree with Rev. Wright or not, he's not the first person to go there. "Inflammatory" is in the eye of the beholder.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:00 AM
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1. Article VI U.S. Constitution
Article. VI. - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:00 AM
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2. Hi effie :)
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:02 AM
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3. Well, this whole Rev. Wright thing has opened my eyes. I
never would have believed the hate being preached from the pulpit. How does that kind of speech bring us together?
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:05 AM
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5. Obama has never made those remarks in any way
We can't be responsible for everyone we know who does or says something controversial
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:09 AM
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6. If you ever want to witness a huge gathering of hypocrites, visit
a church. Quite often the one behind the pulpit is the

King Hypocrite and Biggest Fraud.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:13 AM
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7. I don't often agree with you - but on this I definitely do.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:17 AM
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8. Was a bit taken aback myself actually
How can Obama have had such a close association with this guy?
Where's the hope?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:18 AM
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9. I don't see the comments as hateful...
He was trying to stir the congregation ~ inspire them to action.

I don't have much use for church, but I wouldn't confuse Wright's impassioned performance with hatred.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:27 AM
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12. I don't think that Wright preached "hate"
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:29 AM by EffieBlack
I didn't hear him encourage anyone to hate anyone else. He simply stated how many people actually feel -

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:04 AM
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4. Why did Obama turn his back on his roots?
I understand his mother - who sounds like an amazing person - brought him up as an atheist.
(If i am wrong on that then help me out).
Too bad he did not stay that way (imo)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:25 AM
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13. It's been a while since I read The Audacity of Hope
but what I recall it saying is that his mother did not bring him up as an atheist at all, but exposed him to many different religions so that he could make up his mind for himself whether or not to choose to believe in one.

She was the kind of atheist who, while she could not and chose not to believe for herself, did not attempt to preach or impose the gospel of atheism on anyone else by telling them that religion was illogical and stupid.

I, for one, am glad Obama was raised by such an open-minded woman.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:18 AM
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10. God has nothing to do with it.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:18 AM
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11. Thanks Effie. I've always loved that quote.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:19 AM by Catherina
Commerce between master and slave is despotism
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