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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:47 AM
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There was a time when Wright would have been lauded on DU
Toss out the AIDS comment and there was nothing that man said that I haven't read on DU (and agreed with) in the past six or seven years in one form or another.



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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 AM
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Delete Dupe
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:49 AM by jlake
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 AM
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1. Really? If I thought that were true, I would never post here.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:51 AM
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3. It's true, It's true! now you can delete yourself. nt
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:56 AM
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11. there was a reason I didn't pay attention to you....
you're just a friggen moron.

switch off.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:02 AM
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16. According to a friend of Bill and Hillary, Bill had more sex with more black women
in his lifetime than Obama has.

Yeah, I didn't think it was funny either.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:11 AM
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29. This is a man of God?
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:55 AM
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9. If Wright were a Hillary supporter you'd have no problem with it.
You'd have no problem with caucuses either. If they were beneficial to Hillary, a caucus would be the greatest thing ever. I see through your game of Cowboys and Indians. Your feigned outrage at Wright is measured by how useful it is to Hillary. Period.

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:56 AM
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10. lol okay.... can you give me tomorrow's lotto numbers Miss Cleo?
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
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17. No surprise you can't admit your preference of candidate clouds your view on Wright.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:07 AM
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21. Wright is a vile individual who I would despite no matter who he supported.
You see, that's the reason I support Hillary --- she has a strong character and doesn't surround herself with slumlords and charlatan racists.
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:08 AM
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23. Are you saying the Clintons have never associated with unsavory characters.
Reality says that is simply not true.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:09 AM
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25. Who has Hillary been so inextricably intertwined as Obama is with Wright & Rezko?
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:19 AM
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32. March Rich
Jim and Susan McDougal, Norman Hsu, sweat shop slave master, Peter Paul, international fugitive financier, Charlie Trie, John Huang and on and on. Look, you don't survive in politics as long as they have without rubbing elbows with some unsavory characters.

What you seem to be saying is unsavory characters are fine, as long as they're patriotic and are on Hillary's side.

The idea that Hillary would make a great nominee has a lot of merit. What is absurd is the notion she is somehow cleaner than other candidates.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:38 AM
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50. I Told You That Earlier
You have now been exposed as a liar too.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:00 PM
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55. No, Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a liar.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:36 PM
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60. It is true. So all that's left to say is...
Buh bye!
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:48 PM
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61. Fortunately for me, you don't control my thoughts.
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:52 AM
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4. 'lots of people on DU feel that way' - is that so.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
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18. I didn't say that
I said I am not disagreeing with the OP that many people on DU may feel that way. But I don't think that matters. I don't think most americans would agree with the sentiment "God Damn America."
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:12 PM
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56. Most white people have no reason to say "God damn America..." can you argue blacks don't?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:12 PM by rosebud57
Have any reason that is to utter those words. No sense of loss. No sense of sadness. No sense of outrage, over the unspeakable losses?
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:53 AM
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8. Listen to what the man said.
At no time did he say "I Revereand Wright, hate America". He did however draw a connection between imperialism and what happened on 9-11. I have seen that same connection made here thousands of times over the years and frankly, agree with it.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:07 AM
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20. It sure sounded like he hated America
I think you can stick a fork in Obama.
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:32 AM
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37. That's your opinion
But can't you see how that same interpretation will be made at FreeRepublic? I'd like to believe DU's worst poster is better than their best poster. I'm more interested in finding meaning on how he came to view the country that way than I am engaging in a knee jerk reaction to what he said.
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:09 AM
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52. Oh, please. Everything Wright said is true, so what's the
problem? Truth hurts, is that it? No, we as Amurikins don't see the horrible truths about our power hungry country over the years. And furthermore, if we can find a WalMart and a McDonald's, all's well with our little piece of paradise. And fuck those that can't find their bootstraps. IMHO.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:12 PM
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57. he was a Marine for seven years...
Of course, most of his detractors have never served anyone but themselves.

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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:57 AM
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12. I don't hate America
Far from it. But I love it enough to see its flaws. That USED to be the way it was here. Now we're reduced to flag waving and feigning outrage at things that 16 months ago wouldn't have produced a lot of outrage around here. Oh yeah, it must be primary season.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
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19. Go back to HIS44
Born Today Just To Spew Bullshit!
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:09 AM
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24. Sorry, what is HIS44?
Is that a pro-Hillary group or something?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:52 AM
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6. Can't remember when DU let anybody get away with the "n" word
that Wright is so fond of.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:53 AM
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7. Wright is right!
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:53 AM by ClayZ
It is a damnable thing the USA has done and is still doing in Iraq.



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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:57 AM
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13. You joined a week ago. Wtf?
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:00 AM
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15. I've been around in one form or another for 6 years
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:02 AM by DiggerDan
I was here for Andy Stephenson, Walt Starr, the great Freeper Trojan Horse capade on election night 2004, Bev Harris' cannonization and later fall from grace. Registration dates are deceiving.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:11 AM
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28. I always thought Bev Harrison was a nut ball too
Another one I predicted long before the fall. And I thought it was digusting when people said Andy wasn't really sick. I also hate when people assume just because you haven't posted before that you are new to DU. Not new. Just new to posting. Wasn't everyone at some point?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:59 AM
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14. Most of your responders are part of the Hillary Brigade, so they
aren't gonna agree with you. But most of them are only here on temporary assignment...and yes, of course, when DU was really DU, he would be like a Black Noam Chomsky!

Don't let these folks hoodwink you...and understand that this was the home of the brave and the land of the free that made up Wrights impression of America.

Wright was in Richmond Virginia from 1959 to 1961...and then joined up with the Marines. He must of seen quite a bit during those early days which were when the organizing started to come in full force to what would be known some years later as the Civil Rights movement--












































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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:36 AM
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39. Wright may be incendiary, but that doesn't mean he's wrong
He is a brilliant communicator for his circle, but he's not going to pull in many converts that way. It is ironic that many Clinton supporters wanted to blow off Obama because he wasn't a fighter enough. They wanted someone who wouldn't give an inch and wasn't going to "reach out" to Republicans. Now that there is someone in Obama's corner who seems to also share that vision of fighting, they want Obama to disavow him and reaffirm his desire to reach out. They say that Obama isn't liberal enough, but then when it is revealed that his pastor is a Liberation Theologist, he's suddenly too radical.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:59 AM
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45. Not a word about those extremely sad and disgusting pictures.
And, that's a huge part of Wright's anger. I was 18 and at the March on Washington.
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moxie_1 Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:08 AM
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22. Just the kind of message we need everyone to hear, if we want McCain to win
You Obama fans who say shit like this are more lethal to us than Wright is.

Don't you get it? You're too fukkin out there, even for me. Obama might pull this out, only if he can marginalize Wright's message as fringe talk no one should take seriously.

But you all are all over TV and the 'net as his fans, reminding everyone that you think those ideas are cool to you, setting everything back.

STFU and follow his lead, already.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:09 AM
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26. Oh cool, DU's PR agent checks in!
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:38 AM by Moochy
"for his circle" mmmkay...

Gotta always keep DU's public image paramount in our CONCERNS.. iggy
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:15 AM
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31. You don't even know what Wright says......
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:19 AM by FrenchieCat
I'm telling you, you are fucking with the wrong people.

If OBama is out, McCain is in. Cause Folks all over this nation will be keeping their asses home. Don't think that what Wright said is isolated to one church and to one person, because it ain't. He may have been a over the top fire brimstone in his delivery, but don't believe for one minute that Black folks have been hoodwink into thinking that America is the land of the brave and the home of the free. We know better....which is why we've had to fight for just about everything that we have gotten.

If I were you, I'd chill a bit, before you outsmart yourself.

Oh and by the way, please don't confuse Obama for Wright. They are not the same people....but yet, you appear to making them interchangeable. I realize that they all look alike to you, but they aren't the same people, nor have they had the same experiences.
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moxie_1 Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:40 AM
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41. Wrong, Frenchie
You're assuming way too much. First, don't tell me I'm fucking with the wrong people or presume to school me. I know wtf I'm talking about; I've been around the political block for too long as an insider and more over the years.

And although I would prefer Hillary, I expect Obama to win the nomination. I just want him to be competitive in November!

It is those of you who think you do Obama any favors by trying to convince people that Wright's views are cool who need to get a clue about who you are fucking with: Obama cannot win without distancing himself from them. It's a fact. Even he knows it, as demonstrated by his actions tonight.


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moxie_1 Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:27 AM
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35. I can't see the above message by "ignored"
...Interesting. In the decade I've been online, I've put maybe five people total on ignore in a few forums. 2 or 3 of the 5 are here, added when I first joined, just because I wanted to read threads without the endless clutter they created.

And one of them just replied to me. B-)

What are the odds? :shrug:

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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:10 AM
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27. Yes, I can't understand why Obama would reject and renounce them. nt
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:33 AM
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38. I believe he did that today.
The problem is how much denouncing and rejection would satisfy you? My guess is there is no amount that would satisfy you.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:37 AM
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49. Um, I said I didn't understand why he denounced it.
It being good stuff, and all.

He didn't have to denounce it on my benefit.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:14 AM
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30. You are absolutely right. I am surprised that did not occur to me
I have been here for six years. I guess I had forgotten how it used to be, but it is true, Pastor Wright would have been seen in a positive light by the DU of not so many years ago.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:21 AM
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33. I voted for Clinton, and there's little I've heard of Wright saying that I didn't agree with to some
extent. He's a preacher, he's supposed to be fiery and rhetorical. This nation's history on race has been and still is atrocious. It is just as bad on gender and sexual orientation--people are still being raped, beaten, and murdered because of racist, sexist, homophobic, and bigoted ideas held by attackers.

I even loved the way Reverend Wright expressed his "God damn America" sentiment--not asking God to damn America, or asking people to sing "God Damn America" as the media has reported, but stating that for specific atrocious acts God has damned America. No big deal to me--my love of my country does not force me to cover for its sins. I love to see them exposed. Cudos to Reverend Wright for doing so.

And I've not condemned Obama once for his association with Wright, and have no intention of doing so, even if it comes out that Obama has expressed agreement with some of his ideals.

Now that I've said all of that, I wonder if you can understand why Clinton supporters are so outraged with Obama and/or Obama supporters when he lies and misrepresents Clinton's views in the same way you are outraged when Clinton supporters do it to Obama. The whole race-baiting bit he pulled over her LBJ comments, for instance, when he clearly understood her. His misrepresentation of her vote on the so-called Iraq War Resolution, claiming she voted for the war when he, unlike many of his supporters, understands the IWR was an attempt to head off Bush's rush to war, and that the invasion would have happened even if the IWR was rejected, as Bush was continuously pointing out. On and on--corporate sponsors, lobbyists, Ferraro, etc.

Obama has been the portrait of disingenuity in this campaign, so I'm not overly bothered (though I am bothered) when Clinton supporters return the favor.

And in just in case you honestly believe Obama doesn't play that way, here's his own admission from the Daily Show that he does: "So we're preparing and one of my staff said, 'The thing you've got to understand is, this isn't on the level.' And I think that really strikes to what people are frustrated with in politics, is that so much of what we talk about, so much of what we say, it's not true, people know it's not true, all the insiders understand that we're just game-playing"

I'm not trying to change your vote, you should make your decisions based on whatever criteria you use, just don't give other people crap for doing the same thing, and stop assuming Obama is some clean campaigner. I've been in and around politics a long time, and he's the dirtiest campaigner I've ever seen in the Democratic Party (except in local races), despite his false image of a new type of politician.

Peace. I won't change your mind, you won't change mine. I'm just trying for a little understanding here.
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:29 AM
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36. I appreciate your post.
My point was that much of what Wright said I have read on this site before. I happen to think that's a great thing, by the way. DU is a great place to exchange ideas when we're not tearing each other a new a-hole.

I would never presume Obama is any cleaner than Clinton. My hope is that whoever our nominee is will win in the fall. I hope that nominee is Obama, but at the end of the day, all I care about, and all any of us should care about is winning. That's what matters. Period. If it doesn't, we need to take up quilting and assimilate.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:46 AM
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42. Sounds like you
are someone I really could sit down and have a beer with. :beer:
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:50 AM
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43. As long as it's a Red Stripe I'm down!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:24 AM
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34. And the people who said them here would also have trouble getting elected,
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:26 AM by PurityOfEssence
as would those who consorted with them.

You're using a silly yardstick. There are MANY truths that can't be said in public if one wants to get elected. Threading one's way through human hypocrisy while keeping one's idealism intact is the stuff of greatness, and we're shopping for greatness here, not just "gosh, what a smile" and "oooh, hope and change".

Some things you just can't say if you're running for office, no matter how true they are. Why do they hate us? It's not because of our freedoms, it's because we kill their children. Try saying that. Oh, and that religion thing, too, but let's not talk about that except to say that we like them all and they're all without fault. Our foreign policy isn't about nobility, either, it's mostly about securing and increasing profits. Go ahead; say that. All soldiers are sweet, innocent and noble, right? Not a bad apple in the barrel, is there? It goes on and on.

Politicians are held to high (and ridiculous) standards. We owe it to ourselves that ours actually cut the mustard.

(edited for spllling...)

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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:39 AM
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40. Nobody is running a campaign here
My point is that these things have been said before on this board and often met with much agreement. That's all.

Of course there are many truths that can't be spoken on the campaign trail. But unless someone here is named David Axelrod or Mark Penn we can all afford to discuss it in depth in our little arm chair QB kind of way with no real harm done. DU isn't the real world.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:33 PM
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59. What we say is one thing; what we defend a candidate or his friends for saying is another
That's my point. Sure, many of us are accepted here for believing and openly saying things that would render us completely unelectable as candidates. That's no excuse for candidates or their associates saying them; it puts us all in jeopardy.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:54 AM
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44. You've been here for less than a week. What "time" would that be?
I can't imagine a time where people would cheer God DAMN America. I think you're over-reaching. To be polite about it.

I can't help but notice on the DVD that the people behind Rev. W in the choir weren't digging that shit very much.
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:11 AM
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46. I didn't interpret it that way.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:11 AM by DiggerDan
I interpreted his words as someone who was lamenting the state of his country. Something not to be taken literally. Of course, most will be drawn to the knee jerk reaction and take it literally, which is why it is a problem for Obama.

You've been around DU since 2004. But I question how much you've been paying attention. In fact there have been those who support the notion that we as a nation do bear some responsibility when it comes to how muslims view us. That we are not infallible when it comes to foreign policy and at times flirt with imperialism. It has been discussed on DU that white men and large corporations run this country. It has been discussed that many of our own politicians are wholly owned and operated subsidiaries of these companies. These views are DU 101.

Now the Tuskgegee experiment thing is crack pot and I don't agree with Wright there at all. But many of the themes he touched on I do happen to agree with.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:20 AM
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47. I still don't understand the "when" of your assertion.
I am not interpreting. You've been here at DU a week, unless you are a "reincarnation" of someone who has gotten a pizza delivery. What "time" would Wright have been lauded? I can't imagine a time when God DAMN America would have been cheered.

There's not much interpreting to be had with God DAMN America. Sorry.

I lived in the middle east for many years, as well as Asia and Europe. I understand the issue of how America is viewed abroad better than most.

And I pay attention.

What I don't understand is how God DAMN America fits into a Sunday sermon at a Christian church.

It's not a very "Christian" thing to say.
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:35 AM
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48. I disagree
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:38 AM by DiggerDan
I've been around since March 2003, when the war started. I donated money to Andy Stephenson when he was ill. I've watched as Bev Harris went from hero to villain. I don't always feel the urge to post You can believe that or not, I'm having trouble mustering up the energy to care.


Moving on...

If you haven't seen some of the themes Wright talked in his sermon discussed here, then you haven't been paying attention. To be polite about it.

Look past the GOD DAMN America comment for a second and look at what else he said.

My view is that his meaning was "God Damn You America, look at how fucked up you've become". I didn't take it to mean "God Damn You America, I hope you burn, burn, burn."

Two very different meanings. You have your view, I have mine.

As to when those themes (not including GOD DAMN AMERICA) have been discussed in one form or another -- I'll go conservative and say EVERY FUCKING DAY. DO you realize we have posters here who believe MIHOP and LIHOP and all that tin foil hat weirdo shit? That the GOP brought Wellston'e plane down? What Wright said is small potatoes in the grand scheme.


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:26 PM
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58. I see you've been pizza'd. I'm guessing you'll be back, though.
That Christian Bible says something about Rendering Unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, you know.

God DAMN America doesn't fit into that theme.

Your "view" is wrong. I listened to the whole sermon. He meant GOD DAMN AMERICA. Not aww, golly Gomer Gawd Damn...he meant God, go about DAMNING America.

LIHOP and MIHOP aren't the subject. The subject is that sermon.

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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:57 AM
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54. Well said.
The phrase is not what one expects to hear in a church.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:40 AM
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51. My Thoughts Exactly
And you even excepted the one I couldn't see anyone here posting. I didn't get the AIDs quote but I'd love to hear his explanation for it.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:50 AM
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53. I can only speak for myself
I make no distinction between the right wing or the left wing when it comes to religious freaks.
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