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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:34 AM
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Obama - Wright - Rezko - - a pattern?
Long time lurker -- I had to sign in to post this question:

I have had a bad feeling that Obama wasn't the real deal since he pretended in a debate that he barely knew Tony Rezko. He has really tried to down play that relationship.

Now here is again doing the same thing with his pastor of 20 years by saying tonight on television that he had not heard these types of remarks by him. How do you go to a church for 20 years and not know the head pastor feels that way? I don't think that's possible.

Both of these claims by Obama seem so easily disproved. Seems like not only really bad judgment on his part, but also a pattern of not telling the truth. I don't see how he survives this story. I'm just really glad it happened before the primary season was over. I was very worried it wouldn't happen until after Clinton was out of the race.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:36 AM
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1. Let me help you with your theme...
"I don't think DU'ers will decide the election, do you?
The point is that this thing with Wright may very well make Obama unelectable. John Q. Public doesn't take very well to "God Damn America." Hell, I'm a lefty, and even I don't take well to it. I think it was his Dean scream moment."

"Well this is way worse than anything they had on Kerry I'm not sure how you can deny that. I guess you are a true believer and nothing will make you see reality if this story doesn't."

"Seems worse than the Dean scream to me And I think if he does still get the nomination it's an automatic defeat for us in the General Election. The republicans will have a field day with this kind of thing (and frankly, rightly so -- he's obviously not being honest about not knowing the pastor preached these kind of things)."

"The 527's will kill him with it McCain won't have to say a word. I think you Obama folks might have backed the wrong horse."

"I think Michelle Obama's comments When she said she had never really been proud of America before now pretty much dove tail into what I have seen on the media about Wright. I think it definitely will be an issue. Obama is going to implode. Let's just hope he does it fully before the nominination is lost to Clinton. She has been fully vetted over the years. He hasn't been, in my opinion. I was not surprised by this at all. Just a matter of time."
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:38 AM
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3. Yes, those are definitely my thoughts
Nice of you to summarize them. I think he's going to bring us down in November if he gets the nomination.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:42 AM
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8. Dean Scream says it all
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WTyler Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:27 AM
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27. Scream? Nah.
If it had been Obama himself saying that, yes. As stands the whole thing will blow over in a day or two as far as the primaries go. It'll come back in the general (sorry, Hillary isn't going to win), but by that time he'll have a very detailed rebuttal. In a lopsided way it might actually help him since talking about his Christian pastor is inoculation against the secret Muslim idiocy.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:04 AM
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38. There is no rebuttal to this. You are dreaming.
We would have heard it last night. He knows he is fighting for his political life. There is no next time.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:09 AM
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29. you're missing something
McCain won't need 527's against Hillary, he won't need a Dean scream, he won't need a dumb comment by her husband, he won't need anything like it.

He'll simply state the words, "Hillary Clinton" and he wins.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:38 AM
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41. Yep...
...except for a few, most hate Hillary. That is in both parties. A nomination of Hillary? Say, "Hello, Prez McCain."
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:38 AM
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2. A long time lurker
profile shows that you have been here for less than, what, 4 hours???

Welcome to DU... and welcome to my ignore list.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:40 AM
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4. He should have gotten a better name I mean it sounds so hopeless lol
Winonealready? he should have added pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:42 AM
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7. LOL -- it's pretty much how I feel
So it felt appropriate. I see us headed for disaster with an unvetted candidate.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:41 AM
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6. Well quiz me then
I was here when their was the big Dean fights. I was here when Kerry lost and you all turned on each other. I've been watching you all denounce and reject all the Clinton supporters. I read here at least once a week for the last 4 years. Since the last election, actually. I finally decided to jump in. Seemed like a good time to voice my qualms about Obama. Is there a problem with that?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:04 AM
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15. Voice away... but you are no long time DUer...
because it's very easy to set up a profile and donate to the cause.

You are using bandwidth that others have paid for, not to mention the time and effort of the admins.

So you have been reading but not contributing until TONIGHT??? Riiiight.

And thanks for your "concerns" (qualms).

Go vote for Hillary (if you haven't already).

Dean might have won against Bush.

You equate something someone else said in one sermon as if the candidate says it himself.

Look up The Fellowship and note that Hillary has been a faithful attendee at their functions for FIFTEEN years. Shall we attribute to Hillary the utterances of the leaders of The Fellowship?? Or McCain the fundie preachers that he has accepted into his inner circle (he sought the endorsement of this Parsley guy).

Why single out Obama and his pastor? And now you have concerns.

You can join all of the HillShills and their concern trolls with the Rezko issue (nothing there, no possibility of anything there).

And I'm sick and tired of people saying that it's gotten negative on BOTH sides. Only Hillary has gone negative. She went so negative that she endorses McCain over Obama. And that's enough for me. She is no longer a Democrat.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:16 AM
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20. No need to attack
Do you attack everyone that doesn't agree with you? BTW, I was a pretty ardent Dean supporter, and my heart just plunged when I watched the Dean scream live. I knew that would sink him. I'm not a "HillShill" I just don't agree with you about Obama.

I guess you can claim that Obama supporters aren't negative about Hillary, but that just doesn't jibe with reality. I don't know how you can read here and say that with a straight face.

Whether he likes it or not Obama is tied to Wright because he is on his campaign, has praised him pretty regularly, claimed him as an inspiration for his book, and attended his church for 20 years.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:23 AM
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24. Who said that Obama supporters are not negative on Hillary

I, for one, am beginning to loath her. I don't like her tactics or her campaign or her supporters.

She is no longer a Democrat. Pure and simple.


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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:25 AM
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26. You did
"And I'm sick and tired of people saying that it's gotten negative on BOTH sides. Only Hillary has gone negative."
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:22 AM
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34. Hillary's campaign has gone negative
Obama's has not.

Supporters are different from the campaign. But I guess that distinction is lost on your tiny brain.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:45 AM
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10. The person SAID in the post that he had to sign in (up) to post the question.
There was no dissembling by the OP.
Whatsoever.


It is possible to read the threads without logging in or signing in or even being a member.

It's just impossible to post without joining.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 AM
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11. Thank you. I really have no hidden agenda
I registered to give just the opinions I have given. It's something that has bothered me about him for a long time... this feeling that he wasn't very geniune, or at least not what he pretended to be.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:17 AM
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21. You're welcome.
Feelings as you no doubt know are raw here of late. I notice that many of the Obama team are putting anyone who disagrees with them on "Ignore." It's probably a helpful move, in the big scheme of things, so that they don't get too upset at any dissenting opinion.

Don't take it personally. This too, shall pass.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:53 AM
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13. listen to yourself
YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO LEGITIMATE CONCERNS
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leftrightwingnut Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:35 AM
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40. You can read this site for years without registering.
I've been on the receiving end of that particular brand of prejudice more than once. I don't like it.

It seems very possible that WinOneAlready has monitored DU all throughout the primary season and has only recently registered this month in order to spew tens of posts with Hillary's negative talking points about Obama at everyone. Why wait until now? Well, the fact that Hillary seems to be losing would be a good reason. (Don't let me talk for you, WinOneAlready.)

I'm glad to see that Hillary is finally getting her negative campaign machine organized and doing this right. It was downright embarrassing when she was standing up on stage actually spewing negatives *herself*. I'm far less than impressed; her campaign has been a disaster. And hiring Penn -- the same consultant that McCain uses!? -- brilliant in the very short term, sheer stupidity in the long run.

Take a long hard look at post #1, folks. It's tried and true right wing propaganda at it's best. I guess Hillary is getting her money's worth.
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DiggerDan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:40 AM
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5. What you should have written
"I really hope he DOESN'T survive this story".
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:43 AM
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9. Well, I really just want a democrat to win
I hope if he is going to implode he does it before it's too late for us to nominate a more electable democrat. Goodness knows HRC has been put through the ringer for years. Nothing new to find out about her.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:15 AM
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18. Yeah, HILLARY is so much more electable.
because 50 percent of the voters already either hate or dislike her. And she has been winning so many friends lately with her scorched earth negative shitstorm.

Not to mention ALL of the dirt YET TO COME on Zellary Clinton.

Contributors... give me a break. She has ties to all kinds of slime there, starting with Norman Hsu, but not ending with him.

Experience... she has been caught padding her resume so many times recently that if she wasn't in politics, she would have been fired. Peace in Northern Ireland? Opening up Kosovo with Sheryl Crow and Sinbad? and now the SCHIP scandal.

Judgment... Nope, she voted for the IWR and the Kyl-Lieberman. A war monger in the mold of the best republicans.

Religion... Good grief, here she has huge problems that aren't even talked about yet, but thanks to the Wright flap, I'm sure some folks will start looking at her "prayer breakfast" buddies at the Fellowship a little more closely.

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:00 AM
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14. Then you're clearly blind.
I guess we all choose to see what we want to see.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:09 AM
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16. The only pattern that you see is if Obama doesn't get the nomination
that he is winning because of church business, Hillary won't be the nominee either.

Please note that Black folks are not sheep. And if there is any feeling that Hillary set any of this up (and there is that feeling there already), you can kiss that vote goodbye. You make think that what I am saying isn't so, but trust me, it is. Listen and watch.

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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:20 AM
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22. Well it does seem clear that.....
Democrats in this cycle are intent on destroying each other. I would say the Obama camp is equally as guilty of that. You were all just crowing about Ferraro's stupid comments as if they came right out of Hillary's mouth.

I'm tired of losing because of the purity tests of the base, especially with candidates they have refused to even partially vet like Obama. It's foolish in my opinion.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:33 AM
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35. "vet the candidates"
like Hillary has been "vetted"? Right. Did she get her distemper shots and rabies shots on the same visit? Because the "Shame on You, Barack Obama!!!" shout sure seemed like she was foaming at the mouth just a bit. Maybe Bill brought something home. Take her to the "vets" so she can get some papers.

What a stupid phrase. And what a HillShill talking point.

Perhaps you should check up on all that "experience" she has been spouting about. Like how she engineered the Irish peace plan... or authored SCHIP. There is some "vetting" for you.

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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:57 AM
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30. The media
is finally starting to do their jobs by vetting Obama. Some Obama supporters would just "love" to blame Hillary; but guess what, CNN mentioned again tonight, that ABC got the ball rolling with this story. The church has the tapes for sale; and since questions were raised about this church, the media picked up the tapes. It's not the Clinton camp, or the McCain camp. Obama got himself into this, no one else; and now Obama's scrambling from one news outlet to the other doing his version of "damage control". It's Obama's total lack of judgment and character that got him in trouble. Simple as that.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:11 AM
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17. and yet I was laughed at when I talked about plants coming onto DU with the same theme over Wright
the op is my case in point.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:23 AM
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23. Can't you just accept that we don't all think....
the sun rises and sets in Barack Obama? Isn't this America, where we can all have a choice. I would have preferred to see Biden, Edwards, or Richardon win the nomination because any of those would have been a pretty sure bet in November. But at least Clinton has already been vetted. Obama hasn't been, and we are seeing only the beginnings of the problems with that.

And how can you claim he is honest? This is a pattern now. He must think all of the public is just stupid.
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WTyler Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:31 AM
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28. Not just here
The Wright thing was in the comment sections all over the internet; frequently in unrelated threads. Someone had a very coordinated campaign to push this story. While there's very little that I would put past the Clinton campaign at this point smart money would be it came from the Republicans.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:38 AM
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36. It's the Clintons...
The Repukes are saving their ammo until after the convention... anything they do now is only aimed at keeping one from winning over the other (keep this shit stirred up), not a campaign to destroy Obama... not yet. Vote for Hillary if se is behind, sure... but destroy either... no. This is way too much fun for the freepers.

Most likely source of the Wright stuff is Clintonistas. It fits with their scandal a day mantra. And we aren't talking about that racist white old lady, Geraldine Ferraro.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:17 AM
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33. Clinton doesnt need plants
Ever hear the term 'give a man enough rope and he will hang himself'?
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:15 AM
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19. Welcome to DU
:hi:

Your OP says it all. It's appalling that Obama claims he knew nothing about his mentor's "remarks" after 20 years being a congregant. I for one, don't believe him or his "words". This stinks to high heaven.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:24 AM
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25. Thanks for the welcome
As for Obama, I hate when a politician treats me like I'm stupid, and that is what it seems like he is doing.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:10 AM
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32. If the shoe fits.
I think it's pretty stupid to think Obama was pretending to not know Rezko in the debate.

I also think it's pretty darn stupid to think Obama is pretending to not know how his pastor feels.

The reason that you feel so stoopid, well, maybe you are.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:40 AM
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42. If you think you are fooling anyone...
...then you are stupid.

Welcome to my IGNORE list!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:06 AM
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31. Obama has been shady all along. Look how he stole Edwards platform & bussed in student in Iowa!
I'm disgusted with how people around here want to sweep this stuff about Obama under the carpet all for the sake of an "historic" presidential race. :wtf:
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:58 AM
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37. specifics please
I need to vet your opinion. What did Obama say in that debate that you interpreted as pretending to barely know Rezko? My understanding is that they are not friends; there is no indication that Obama knew him intimately or knew that he is a criminal.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:05 AM
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39. recall BO saying ---he did about 5 hrs of legal work for Reszo. ha ha!!
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:27 AM
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44. thanks
it looks like he did lie.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:41 AM
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43. Yeah, a pattern of the media making a big deal out of nothing.
Bush, Clinton, McCain can be caught red-handed with their hands in the cookie jar, and no one bats an eye, but Obama has a contributor in trouble or a Pastor who says something controversial and suddenly it's Watergate. Give me a fucking break.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:32 AM
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45. Locking
The thread starter is no long with us.
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