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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:50 AM
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Yet another Obama problem
Obama says he never heard anything offensive in 20 years.
What about his wife and children?Do they attend when hes in Washington or wherever?
Does Michelle share Wrights view?
It could be an issue.

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:53 AM
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1. Please Tell Me Exactly What You Took Offense To
Because after actually seeing the tapes, I wasn't offended at all.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:54 AM
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3.  ITS "GOD DAMN AMERICA" STUPID
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #3
17. Well??
Look at some of the things we have done, Start with the Native Americans, slavery and move on from there. Hubris and ignorance are not positive traits.

Perhaps he should have said "God have mercy on America" instead!
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #17
23. Yes and Obama would have been the next president.BTW Sorry I didnt mean to call you stupid .
It was a reference to "its the economy stupid" from 8 years ago.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:22 AM
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42. Too bad he didn't say that instead.
He might have had a point then, but asking God to damn America isn't going to win many Americans' heart and minds. That much is for sure.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:28 AM
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48. Only Those That Can't Think Through It
I used to think those were only Conservative, tight-winged (I Saw the typo but decided it fit) assholes, apparently it applies to assholes of any persuasion.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:29 AM
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108. I've lived abroad for several years and I find "God Damn America" offensive.
Living abroad tends to make you very patriotic.

I want a President and First Lady who are patriotic. So many in my family have risked their lives defending this country, I find "God Damn America" offensive.

About slavery, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism#Slave_Trade_A...

The northern states in the US had abolished slavery by 1804. The slave trade became illegal in England in 1807. Slavery existed in Africa for a long time before and after it existed in the US. (Some people think it still might exist in West Africa.)

By the moral standards of the time, which were also very discriminating towards women, the US, especially the northern states, doesn't look so bad when compared to the rest of the world.

There is a quote about how you can't go through history and judge based on current morals. If we did, the way women have been treated in every country, we would say "God Damn the Earth."

Having said that, the current war in Iraq is inexcusable, but I still love my country.

I just love the US in spite of it's flaws, not because of them.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:11 AM
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21. Wasn't it
"... God Bless America, no, no, no, God damn America, its in the bible, you are killing innocent people..." He is right, God doesn't like the killing of innocent people and its in the bible - how can God bless America when we are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands.

You don't like Obama, we get that.

Your nit picking and focusing on his pastor and not real issues is just pretty sad.

At the end of the convention we will have one candidate. It will be either Obama or Hillary.

If it is Obama will you vote for McCain or not vote at all?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 AM
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:19 AM
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37. Especially when aired alongside the picture of BO in front of the flag during the National Anthem
Obama is already finished. His supporters just haven't figured it out yet. No amount of bullshit will secure the middle in November after this.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
43. To Hell With You, My Flag Is Still Upside Down
and will remain so until Obama is elected.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #43
51. no need to get nasty. I'm just telling it like it is. You can expect this
it's going to be very hard to fix this with a speech.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #51
54. Thanks To You Guys Helping The Repukes
You can stop it. Start telling the truth and quit playing Rovian politics.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. Don't even try to pretend like "you guys" haven't scorched a little earth
along the way.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Please Elaborate nt
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #57
63. OK. Just for you.
labeling Bill, Hillary, and anyone who supports them as racists.
labeling the Clintons and anyone who supports them as DINOs, Republicans, NeoCons, etc.
Tossing around comments about Bill's infidelity like a group of freepers at a Republican convention.
asserting that Hillary is so vile that you won't vote for her if she is nominated.
Fighting to disenfranchise two states to maintain the status quo.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #63
68. and hillary saying McCain has the experience.
nuf said
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #63
70. Funny How I Missed The Post Calling Hillary Or Bill A Racist
what I saw were people saying that Ferraro who spoke on behalf of the campaign made racist comments on the record to the press. That was a fact and we simply thought Hillary should denounce her like she insisted Obama do to his campaign person for calling her a monster off the record.

Second Point: If the shoe fits... You do sound like Freepers.

Third point: Must have missed those but I'm sure if anyone did it was in rebuttal to something your side said. I don't know a single person here who cares who or how many Bill had sex with.

Fourth point: Still grappling with that one myself. I've voted for the Dem nominee since I was 18 but if Hillary wins by using Rovian tactics it will be very difficult for me to do so. So far, I am still going with doing so but she better start acting like a Dem once she gets in or I will drop the party forever.

Fifth point: WTF?? Hillary agreed to disenfranchise them until it wasn't in her best interest. Why aren't you addressing this to her.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:21 AM
Response to Reply #51
102. I think you're wrong. You are underestimating the thirst of American people
for authenticity & inspired leadership, dignity & unity. The loudmouths and bigots are not the majority.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #37
49. And obama can use this image


Or this one



or this one



its about defeating McCain, get it?

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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #49
76. and McCain WILL use these pics







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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. What's wrong with the last one (that negates the impact of the 3rd one)
and they in no way top McCain's loving relationship with the man that has caused our nation to be in such sad shape today.

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:33 AM
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79. That One Had Me Shrugging Too nt
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #79
116. desperation
it makes folks do some stupid stuff, doesn't it. ;)
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:32 AM
Response to Reply #76
78. LOL WTF Is The Point Of The Last Photo
The others have long ago been debunked.
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MediaBabe Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #49
121. And those images will gain votes in Middle America n/t
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #37
107. And Hillary secures the middle...how???
Don't you get it? Hillary is hated by a majority of the population. Just HOW do you expect someone with her negatives to win?
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #107
117. Wrights comment "God Damn America" is vehemently Hated by 80%
of the population.Dont you get it?
Those are fight'n words.Those are the best get out the vote words ever uttered.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #37
111. I agree - He is toast in the general election.
Hilary is probably toast too, even if she could win the nomination. McCain is a sorry excuse for a candidate, but...... he'll probably take the general election.

The Democrats shouldn't have dismissed Dodd and Biden.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #30
40. We've Said It Here
Maybe not so directly but we've made the point. As I recall lots of us wanted to leave, the rest were going to stay and fight to try to save it. same point, different terminology and his fit his audience and the pulpit (where preachers are known to say outrageous things to keep people awake).
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #30
45. I have thought about.
Let me give you a clue about DU. Personal and rude comments are not welcome. If you can't discuss the issues without first throwing out insults then you need to find another board. You won't last long at the rate you are going.

Obama didn't say "God damn America" - a man he knows said it.

What is a commercial in the making is Hillary saying that McCain has the experience to lead. That comment alone will haunt whoever it is that gets the nomination. Think about that and how many times you will see that comment from now until the election.

What will she use to campaign against McCain if it she gets it? She can't say he isn't qualified, now can she?

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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #45
118. Thats why Wes Clarke will be her VP ,he trumps Mccain experience
Mccain was in the military.Wes Clarke COMMANDED the military and was opposed to Iraq.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #118
126. It won't matter
She has already said that McCain is qualified. She has given him that and can't campaign against it, against her own words.

And Clark has attacked McCain, which makes it unlikely that HRC could afford to make him her running mate as he contradicts what she has said.

"Clark also told reporters that Clinton was more qualified than Sen. John McCain to be the next commander-in chief because McCains service as a naval fighter pilot did not prepare him in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved in being president. Clinton, in Clarks estimation, has had the necessary experience to make high-level national security decisions because of her tenure in the U.S. Senate and her time as First Lady."

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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #126
133. Looks ggod to me
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:58 PM
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135. Of course it does, you are biased
you can't see how that campaign wont work - she is not about to bring on Clark who downgrades McCain's heroism after she said McCain is such a good man, a hero and so experienced.

Not to mention that she and McCain are close friends, as Bill has put it, if they run against each other the race will be boring. They just like each other too much.

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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #21
32. who gives a shit about what an ancient and irrelevent superstition thinks anyways?
Most Americans won't be when they consider Wright's words. Damn, we sound like a gaggle of fundies debating what God does or doesn't like. Give me a break.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #32
44. I'm sorry.
I :rofl: when I read "gaggle of fundies." I always wondered what to call a group of them. Now, I know. I love it. :P
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #32
46. Gaggle Sounds Like A Sexist Term For Hillary Supporters
to me.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #46
103. Only to you
Silly goose.
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:44 AM
Response to Reply #21
95. It's not just the Pastor...it was the entire congegation! Look at the video.
They were ALL mocking whites. mocking Hillary. There is no way that Obama missed that type of display thru t w e n t y y e a r s.
That crappy attitude filled that church to the rafters.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #3
31. There is no god to damn America, so don't sweat the guilt by association BS
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #3
39. Every time I hear that sentence, I think about Fred Phelps.
I can't stand the thought that we have a Fred Phelps type religious nut representing our party this go around. It's sad, really.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #39
62. If that bothers you
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 AM by merh
then this little religious connection may cause you concern too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

religious nuts, powerful elites, neo-cons, oh my!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #3
86. Yeah! What has America ever done to black people?!
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
129. I take offense at fellow 'Dems' calling another one 'stupid'
not surprised though.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
11. How do you feel about Obama rejecting and denouncing these
tapes that were not offensive?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Feel Like He Had No Choice Thanks to Our Own Side
pretending to take offense.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #11
58. I feel like...
at least now it will be difficult to paint him as a Muslim. Much beyond that, this story has puny legs.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #58
71. I think we are in for this until November.
The GOP is already painting Obama as unpatriotic, with the lapel pin and pledge issue. They will also play his wife's "first time I am proud" clip over and over, all in context with these clips.

It may well die down for the Democratic primary, but we haven't even began to fend this off from a republican onslaught yet.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #71
131. They didn't need this to make those points...
and it sort of goes to the heart of my point. I don't think this is persuading anyone. Those who really want to run with this already didn't like Obama. It's just more grease for the machine. And if they couldn't use this, they'd be making it up..so ultimately, it changes nothing.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #1
100. Humping like a dog while in the pulpit is pretty offensive!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #1
101. Too much to put in one post. And it doesn't matter
what I think. I only have one vote. It does matter what the electorate thinks. (If we want to win and I do)
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #1
112. The one I extremely took offense to was where he was...
HUMPING the podium and yelling, "Hillary is F@#$ing America like Bill was F@#$ing Monica."
And a camera shot of children in the audience.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #112
119. Did he actually say "fucking"? Im guessing no
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:53 AM
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2. and it never bothered Hillary when Bill was cheating on her for decades
I wonder how many people attend a church where things are said that are offensive, and still continue to attend that Church

Guilt by association is never a good thing



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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. Are you pointing a finger at me to tell me I lied?


OK, I forgive you................. but not anymore after costing two elections
convincing the opposition that there is a very small difference between
Clinton , bush and McCain.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #2
18. BRILLIANT,OBAMA SHOULD CHEAT ON HIS WIFE WITH KRISTEN
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:09 AM by MojoMojoMojo
The Wright stuff will be ignored in the diversion.Smart tactic.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #18
134. Problem with your caps lock key? nt
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:56 AM
Response to Original message
4. Wow, you guys just won't let it go, willya?
Amazing.

- as
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. LOL
Read post 2 above you and then tell me who can't "let go"
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #7
22. Not my post, not my problem.
I personally don't bring up anything from Bill's tenure. Not really relevant if you ask me.

- as
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. Well this is way worse than Ferraro
And Obama supporters acted like that was the end of the world. Why the about face now? What did you expect?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #8
24. You're right.
I'm definitely expecting too much.

- as
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 AM
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26. No One Acted Like Ferraro Was The End Of The World
We simply suggested that she should be taken off the campaign for her racist remarks like your side did for the monster remark. Just struck us funny that monsters were now a considered a minority since the Repukes have so many of them.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #26
34. Well it's just my opinion, admittedly
I saw a lot of people saying Clinton was a racist for the things Ferraro said, which made no sense to me. I don't see people calling Obama a racist because of the racist things Wright said. I'm glad for that.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #34
69. The difference is that...
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:07 AM by Puzzler
... Ferraro worked for the Clinton campaign, Wright does not work for Obama's campaign. He may be an avid supporter, but that's not the same thing.

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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #69
113. Sorry, yes he did have a place in Obama's campaign.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #34
83. Ferraro Spoke To The Media As A Campaign Member
Wright spoke to HIS Congregation as a Pastor not a campaign member. Hope that clears that up for you, though I doubt it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #26
67. "your side" - WTF!!!!!!!
you DO remember who the enemy is, right?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #67
80. Not So Sure Anymore
And you are included in the "not".
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #80
82. you've gone beyond all reason
it is very, VERY disturbing to see
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:46 AM
Response to Reply #82
85. I Could Say The Same
and will.

You think you can throw little almost innocuous comments out here and there and make snide remarks without taking a real stand. Well, I am calling you on it. Do you or do you not think Wright's comments are that off base with what most DUers have been saying for years?

Why could the Clintons get away with all this black support for years without you saying a goddamn thing? And why did you never bring up all this dirt on Jackson or Sharpton who would have deserved it a lot more than Obama except for the fact that you never thought they could win.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:52 AM
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87. I only woke up not long ago and missed most of it
I caught a clip of the Wright stuff - was he in church? Because if he wasn't in church I'd think nothing of it - but church is not the place. And I still have not read much about Obama's connection to him to form a real opinion. I did see Obama talking about it on TV and he did not seem as sure of himself as he usually does.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:01 AM
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88. Of Course It Was A Church, He's A Pastor
and they tape the sermons to sell online. Not that unusual at all. Obama was a member of he Congregation and a friend. The quotes used were taken over a 17 year time span and amounted to 5 minutes or so of air time (although Hannity and Colmes claimed to have hours). And none of it sounded any worse than what you have seen on DU.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:04 AM
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89. I only heard an audio clip
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:05 AM by Skittles
I thought perhaps he was giving a speech much like Al Sharpton would.....hmmmmm....I'll be back on high speed soon where I can watch the clips but I didn't catch the 17 year timeframe stuff.....HA, if someone took the hits of what I've ever said in 17 years...er.... :o
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:07 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Heck, If They Took A Weeks Worth Of My Posts
I'd be out.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:15 AM
Response to Reply #90
91. LOL
Damn....usually stuff like this, anything that gets the repukes foaming at the mouth....I take great satisfaction in but I am worried about the general election - I would advise the Obama campain to get it all out there now; the earlier, the better.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:22 AM
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92. I'd Advise Hillary The Same
But of course, she is keeping lots of her stuff hidden. I wonder why. Plus, I'd love to ask her about Dubai, Nafta and some other little tidbits.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:24 AM
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122. Might as well get Michelles thesis out.I bet its very influenced by Wrights sermons
Why let it be hidden until after the nomination?
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #4
15. Do you think that God
approves America for: slavery, our treatment of American Indians (a only good Indian is a dead one), Jim Crow Laws, KKK (which was the leading political party in some states in the 1920's, interment of the Japanese, 2nd class citizenship for Blacks until the last few decades, Homophobic preachers, the Iraq War, corporate greed, America's rape of our environment, global warming, our consumption of natural resources and food while Millions die and we turn the TV channel with our remote because we are too tired of looking at it.

I think he has many things he could of damned us for.

Do you really think that we are a God fearing nation with the blood on our hands?.



What he said was said very poorly, I have problems with the way he said it, but not what he said.
This being said, I love my country, we are a giving nation like no other. We do have much to be ashamed for.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:19 AM
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38. This is not your vanity show.This is a race for the White House.You do not know the American Public
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:20 AM by MojoMojoMojo
They are and will be digusted with Obama .
In their eyes he will be the anti Christ.
Personally I agree with your view .But Im not running for POTUS
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #38
52. Only If We Keep Giving In To Them
And that includes you. And if you do, you are part of it.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #15
123. Nearly all Americans are offended by Wright .It doesnt matter if hes correct or not
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:57 AM
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5. Sure, the guy only talks shit like that when Obama has left the building.
When Obama is there the whole thing is different.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:01 AM
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9. I think Obama HAS left the building.
Good riddance.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #5
73. yes---really odd. and this for over 20 yrs.. !!!!!!
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:58 AM
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6. I think Michelle Obama's comments
When she said she had never really been proud of America before now pretty much dove tail into what I have seen on the media about Wright. I think it definitely will be an issue. Obama is going to implode. Let's just hope he does it fully before the nominination is lost to Clinton. She has been fully vetted over the years. He hasn't been, in my opinion. I was not surprised by this at all. Just a matter of time.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:07 AM
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16. wow...a whole day
perhaps you should get the lay of the land before jumping in feet first. Or maybe you're a "reincarnation"?

Oh, welcome to DU :eyes:
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 AM
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29. Oh I have been reading here for years
Not a huge fan of Obama or Hillary, but would still like to see a democrat in the white house. Of the two, I would definitely prefer Clinton. I've always kind of worried that Obama wasn't all he pretended to be. Plus he just hasn't been vetted much. I'm glad this came out now, before it's too late for Clinton to get the nomination.

Thanks for the welcome, but I have the feeling that if I don't back Obama people won't be very nice.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:32 AM
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53. They won't be.
Obama supporters, overall, tend to be rather boisterous in their condemnation of anyone who hasn't drank the Kool Aid. There are some nice ones around, but a lot of them will only laugh at you and ridicule you. There's blood and guts everywhere and it's hard to drag your own entrails back to stuff back into your body by the time they get through stomping them. It's the primaries on DU. Not a pretty picture this year, if you don't support Obama.

Welcome to DU, btw. :hi:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:42 AM
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60. koolaid? I won't tell you what you can drink, but I think you get my drift
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:41 AM
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59. You've been lurking for years...may I ask what brought you out of hiding?
No, I really am interested. We've just noticed that a lot of newbies coming out of the woodwork, and normally they're here to bash Obama, and of course they get a hardy welcome from the Clintonians. As another poster pointed out, it's just very strange how the o.p. can have very similar threads going in two different places. And it looks like he brought a few friends along.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #16
33. you would be surprised at the reincarnations that post freely
here with thousands of posts.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #6
19. And you telling us all "I Am An Obama Supporter". You are transparent, is what you are.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:13 AM by BushDespiser12
Better get your thrills in fast.
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:18 AM
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35. No, not really
I'm not thrilled with either of them, but I think this kind of thing could have been predicted. I have always thought that he wasn't who he pretended to be.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 AM
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28. Is she proud of America now because Obama is a candidate?
Not clear why she said she is NOW proud of America.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:19 AM
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36. Exactly, and Welcom to DU
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WinOneAlready Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:21 AM
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41. Thank you!
I'm a fairly long time lurker, but this stuff was too good to resist. I've thought for a while now that Obama was due to implode. I couldn't understand why the voters would go so ga ga over a person who really hadn't been vetted. Media hype, I guess.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:29 AM
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50. Obama's campaign
will try their damnest to divert this sad commentary on Obama's character. ABC broke the tapes, not the Clinton camp, not the McCain camp. Once again Obama brought it upon himself with his total lack of judgment. Funny, Obama only denounces his friends,pastor, and whoever else, only when "they" become a "political" liability to him. What a disgrace! Why don't you just level with the American already; or do we have to sit and wait for the next "friend" or "pastor" to come out the closet.

I am very offended as an American to hear such derogatory statements made about our country by Obama's mentor. It does bring up two old questions that bothered me months ago: 1) why can't Obama make a simple gesture in pledging alliance to our flag; and 2) Mrs. Obama's several statements, about not "being proud" our country ..., etc.

My Dad served in the military, and is very much offended by these remarks. This will not sit with anyone who has served our country. I don't trust Obama, or believe him, or his message of hope, or his "damage control" statements tonite. How can anyone who belongs to a church for 20 years, not know? What a bunch of crap.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:35 AM
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55. My dad a WWII vet would have a heart attack if he knew the "God Damn America" statement.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:36 AM by MojoMojoMojo
And hes a UCC member of 72 years.Thank god he lost his hearing and is senile.
Hes a liberal Democrat BTW
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:25 AM
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115. Exactly, my Dad was a WWII vet, lifelong Democrat, and he would turn over in his grave.
I don't think he'd like Hilary though either.

I am a lifelong democrat, I realized the world was not good when Reagan beat Carter and Quale beat Birch Bayh.

However, I think the Democratic party has lost it, and it makes me very sad. Good people with good ideas who are realistic in what they can accomplish and how they can accomplish it, like Biden and Dodd, are totally dismissed.
This was our election to lose, with such a numb-skull like Bush who ruined the country for 8 years, how could we lose?
Yet the Democratic party looks like a bunch of unorganized idiots. Hold primaries in Florida and Michigan, but don't count the votes, two very popular states. Then decide, oh well maybe we should have counted them, but no one really campaigned, uH.... lets hold a SECOND primary!!! This makes the Democrats look like they aren't fit to run the country. I'm sorry, but it is true.

Then the rock star of the Democratic party has raised suspicions that he doesn't even like the US all that much.

This is all very sad. We are going to keep this hideous Republican government until we can get our act together. Very sad.
Everyone I work with is Republican and they never stop laughing at the idiot Democrats. We have become a punch line. It makes them all smug and comfortable in their votes for Bush. Very sad.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #50
64. Patrick Murphy would disagree, just saw him on Tavis Smiley,
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:55 AM by Tarheel_Dem
and his wife, who is a lifelong Republican has switched her party affiliation since this story broke. She now supports Obama, and plans to bring many more into the fold. Most reasonable people know that Obama isn't liable for what Rev. Wright says.

People keep saying how could he remain a member of that church? I ask you, how did we remain loyal Democrats once we learned that our president had repeatedly lied to us about his MANY extramarital affairs? And only came clean after he knew the infamous blue dress had been saved for posterity?Because we knew that Bill Clinton was only human, just as Obama is. Bill didn't walk on water, and neither does Obama. We didn't all go running for the exits then, and we won't do it now, much to your chagrin.

Bill Clinton was probably the most brilliant president of my lifetime, but he certainly was not infallible, and I don't think Obama should be held to any higher standard than Bill.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:45 AM
Response to Reply #64
84. I just love the
way every thing that goes WRONG in the Obama is somehow the Clinton's fault :rofl:

You can accept Obama and his mentor's comments, don't care. But many people are offended by this, and Obama's creditability and character are destroyed. Try to justify what Obama's stands for after listening to the rantings of his pastor. I can't. It's offensive, disgusting, and a slap in the face to the American people, especially those who served our country. These kinds of comments goes right into heart and soul of the Obama camp. This guy was his fucking "mentor". Can't get any clear than that.

So Clinton had affairs, but he did not associate with an anti-American pastor (for 20 years) who hates our country; and teaches hate and division; and then Obama's brazen attempt to distance himself from the same pastor who Obama said was clearly a mentor and spiritual leader----You can't rationalize that away with a Clinton slam; no matter how hard you try. It's a stretch, even for an Obama supporter.

Try for once, to deal with Obama's problems, without pointing fingers at the Clinton's.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #84
93. we shall see who gets the last laugh...
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:18 AM by Tarheel_Dem
you guys tried snub-gate: failed; rezco-gate: failed; xerox-gate: failed; muslim-gate: failed; and this too shall pass. Your main problem is that you've backed a candidate that the media can't stand. Unlike Obama & McCain, who are two media darlings, Hillary tried to muscle out one of their own, and they won't forget it.

Obama's national lead has widened, Clinton is static and hasn't been able to get to 50% since coming out of the gate. Her negatives keep increasing. She's got a dotty old fool doing the talking head circuit, scared to death of what might come out of her fool mouth next. She's had to lend her flagging campaign money. She's committed credit card fraud. She's taken credit for legislation that she never had anything to do with, and the list goes on.

And as for being anti-American, I can't think of anything more anti-American than sending our brave young men & women off to die in an unecessary war to advance one's political career. Millions displaced, tens of thousands of children orphaned, thousands maimed for life. And the height of Anti-Americanism has got to be supporting the person who has shown that she has no problem being a party to the death and destruction that is the Iraq War.

I'll bet no one died as result of Rev. Wright's sermon. Live with that.
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MediaBabe Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:38 AM
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124. No one ever died from stirring up black discontent?
I'm not sure that people who study that kind of thing will agree with you. Any group of people who are validated from the pulpit may have radicals who take action detrimental to society - like Christian abortion activists, for example. Blacks are no different.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #124
136. WTF are you talking about?
Can you provide any proof that anyone died as a result of Rev. Wright's sermon? If so, please feel free. Still doesn't address the fact that Hillary voted for this war, and has blood on her hands.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:15 AM
Response to Reply #6
74. Good point. yes. MO comments do dovetail.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:04 AM
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12. Joined Feb 19th.... and...

Almost every post of yours uses "Freeper" code words...


and almost every one of your threads CLOSELY mirrors a thread that popped up on FreeRepublic just minutes before.




Just sayin'...... You either think EXACTLY like a Freeper... or ... well, you know the "or" part.


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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:05 AM
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13. Another new poster with an anti-Obama post. There are getting to be quite a few...
of 'em. They consistently post similar things.

Hmmmmmmm.

It's one thing to post an anti-Obama message when you've been on the forum awhile. Or, like me, if you've been posting a while AND you're an Obama supporter who is reconsidering supporting him. But I am not fooled when I see these newbie posts. Obvious.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. He's a fast worker, seems he uses his limit to slime Obama, but
offers nothing in the way of positivity for his "chosen" candidate, whomever that may be.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #20
47. I prefer Kucinich .But realistically I'll take either Obama or Clinton.
But I think Obamas a liar so its an easy choice for now.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:56 AM
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66. I see you brought some of your "playmates" along from your other site.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #13
75. ha ha---what a joke.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:13 AM
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25. Your concern is really touching.
Thanks for keeping us up to speed. :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 AM
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27. Pathetic.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:46 AM
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61. It has already become an issue for the right wingers.
Turn on your TV.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:56 AM
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65. Good. Let them focus on that. Meanwhile, we'll be offering comprehensive economic recovery plans
to the millions upon millions of americans who will need them as our economy continues to implode.

People don't have time for this superficial shit in the midst of a depression. (sorry, but slump is a made-up term because people were too afraid of recession - recession is a made up term because people were too afraid of depression. A depression is what we've got on our hands, if you cut the politics out of it.)

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:11 AM
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72. Can't brush it under the rug anymore.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:37 AM
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81. why not fight?
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 03:39 AM by Two Americas
We are going to have one of the two candidates, and yes it seems more likely that it will be Obama, but I do say let the rest of the people vote. I don't have a preference between the two remaining candidates, and have been critical recently of the tactics and rhetoric of many Obama supporters. There is only one reason for that - the tactics being used on behalf of Obama here, will, in my opinion be disastrous in the general. We should all be open to constructive criticism, should we not?

Wright's remarks were a little extreme, but he is speaking for the oppressed and persecuted, and I think white people are oblivious to the realities of race in America and that is reflected in most of the comments here about this issue.

The right wing will use Wright's remarks, and that will get traction with the public, and I think Obama supporters are being naive when they ignore that. While many Clinton supporters may be seeing the flap over Wright purely in terms of how it may help their candidate, there are many of us who are more concerned about how this may hurt all of us going into the general. It is very difficult in this crazed atmosphere here to have a serious discussion about that. I do not believe that we can take the rhetoric and behavior we see here out to the public in the general and have any chance of succeeding. For those who say that the Dem candidate is going to win the general no matter - so what? Let's win by more. Let's have longer coat tails. Let's have a stronger mandate.

This is an opportunity to fight, not back down. Talk about racism, talk about oppression and persecution, talk about economic injustice, about poverty and homelessness. Reclaim the agenda for the discussion from the right wing. Talk about the conditions that lead pastor Wright, and many, many others, to speak the way they do about America.

I don't know how we can do that if we cling to a "healing the divide" theme while ignoring the root causes of the "divisiveness" that Obama supporters want us all to transcend. But I am open to hearing people's ideas of how to reconcile those two.

Pastor Wright was not being "divisive." He is speaking about the divisions that already exist, from the viewpoint of people who suffer daily from the divisions, the divisions that those with privilege are oblivious to.



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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:26 AM
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96. From what I've seen
it isn't that uncommon for black churches to address the past and present racial divides in this country in a forceful manner. Older pastors - ones that lived through the civil rights movement (like pastor Wright) - tend to be particularly fiery about it. If you where a part of the civil rights movement in the 60's you would know why.

I certainly don't see it as being "blatantly awful behavior" (and I wonder what you see in his statements that are) - they are simply unhelpful in a modern political campaign where a sense of PC patriotism is such an ingrained part of our society.

My wife ran a political campaign for a black man in '04. It was the first time she had worked with an african american politician in that capacity. We quickly figured out that black churches were often different enough in tone and environment from white churches that they could make quite a few white people uncomfortable (I'm white as well - but all churches strike me as being odd, and I only darken their doors to help politicians, I also found the excitement in the black churches to be fun). We came to the realization that bringing white folks to events at black churches wasn't such a good idea.

Black churches tend to have a different cultural tone. Different seems to equal evil or awful to many people, that's a shame, but in our society it is also a reality. I would certainly recommend to anybody that finds pastor Wright's comments to be off the wall (or any white Christian that has never been in a black church) that they go to a few of their local black churches.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:40 AM
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109. From under what rock have you crawled ?
:puke:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:56 AM
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97. Oh leave me alone anyone who has seriouslystood against racism knew what he meant.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:58 AM
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98. Ever read the Constitution? Article VI
Article. VI. - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:06 AM
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99. You're desperate.
Clinton is going to lose.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:24 AM
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104. Leave now and never come back
You are what makes us bad.

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:26 AM
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105. Ummmmmmm....I guess you have not noticed that...
...Michelle is NOT the one running? Nor are the young Obama children running.

:eyes: The more Hillary loses, the more desperate you get. This OP is beyond pathetic.

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:26 AM
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106. her college thesis is very telling...
...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 AM
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110. How do we know Bill did not cheat on Hillary since 2000. Do we know a Spitzer-like scandal will
not appear in the next few months. I could be an issue.

If you have to worry, worry both sides.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:14 AM
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114. Good point. Put Obama's kids on Faux News to explain themselves.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:00 PM
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127. very funny!
:spray:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:18 AM
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120. of course Michelle does. She has said similar things in the past
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:19 AM by Evergreen Emerald
It should be an issue, but..hey lets focus instead on how fat Clinton is.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:38 AM
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125. How often do you think they attend church?
I doubt they go every sunday.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:18 PM
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128. I bet every Sunday
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:27 PM
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130. Yet Another Non-Issue
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:42 PM
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132. For someone who uses the word "Mojo" three times you sure seem to be lacking it.
Maybe you're trying to convince yourself?
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