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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:07 AM
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Hillary Clinton and John McCain
is there a difference any more?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:11 AM
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1. Yes
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:11 AM
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2. is there a difference any more?
About 12 years of "life experience".
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:12 AM
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3. I can think of one
One is old, and the other is over 9000 years old.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:13 AM
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4. Hillary has bigger balls
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:14 AM
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5. no. they are BFF and somehow hillary got a pass on that one too.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:14 AM
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6. I think she bathes more often.
as far as I know.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:30 AM
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7. I think they made a pact a few years back.
She assumed that she'd be the primary winner. They both assumed that the public would be ready for a real change in direction so Dem's would likely win this year. As long as he goes easy on her she'll give him a high level position, Secretary of State?

That pesky Obama ruined the master plan.

But I have no idea why she's acting like such a Republican lately. I can only think that desperation has driven her to it. I can't imagine any level-headed strategy could be behind it. They're going for broke and the Republican playbook has proven to be a successful model.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:58 AM
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9. She needs to keep Obama's numbers lower than 50%
Hillary can't make it that high. Its the math.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:52 AM
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8. 10 years and some anger management issues
I'll leave to the reader to decide who has what...
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:03 AM
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10. Hillary is a democrat.
A "false flag" op is one where a group does something evil while flying the flag of its enemy, to make its enemy appear evil.

Now who would do such a thing? If you can't answer, you shouldn't be posting crap here.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:17 AM
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14. appear evil?
what possibly could be less in the democratic tradition and more evil than endorsing the other parties pick over your rival in the primaries?
i cannot ever think of anything lower or more evil
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:20 PM
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18. The reasoning would be:
Imagine three fighters in a ring. One tactic of fairly evenly matched fighters is to insult or enrage the other, as most people's judgment and skills are impaired by too much anger. In this case the third fighter is relaxing in a corner, while surrogates do his work.

Now, I agree that Hillary's "endorsement" was bad judgment, but I am inclined to give her a pass on it as I believe it was a matter of anger impaired judgment, which can be sourced to the surrogates of the "third guy". Perhaps Obama is less prone to anger, but his staff's "monster" comment is a good example of how that is not enough to avoid manipulation.

So the Dem's have been played like violins in this primary so far. At some point we need to take the GE as seriously as they do, and cut the strings.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:45 PM
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19. bad analogy bub
it holds up only when each fighter is acting as an independant force
2 of these fighters are on the same team
yet one turned from her team mate and gave help to their common foe
again i ask
what could be more venal
more evil
more coldly calculated
than what she did?
ill expand your analogy

A B and C battalions are at war
A and B are together against the remaining C
of A and B,A begins to work in concert with C
now what would we call that when they turn on their fellows and help their enemies?
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:08 PM
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25. To restate a bit
A and B are against each other. The winner is to fight C.

C is able to whisper in the ear of both A and B, using the voice of each. A is thus convinced that B is treacherous, and the gloves come off. B is thus convinced that A is a lying scoundrel, and the gloves come off. They tear each other to shreds, while C laughs his ass off and waits for his turn against the remains.

Analogies are generally bad...in this case C is not so much McCain but the repug apparatus of maipulation - media connections and so forth. They have been masters of this for years, and at the moment are at the top of their game, it seems.



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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:48 PM
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29. well replied
i dont agree with you but
your analogy has as much to be discussed as mine
good job brain
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:55 AM
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11. The Dream Team
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:07 AM
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12. BFFs Forever
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:07 AM
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13. yes.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:36 AM
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15. Not that I am aware of. Hillary said McCain has the qualifications. McCain never rolled over on
his fellow Republicans to get the nomination, so I would say he has a little more character than Hillary. I don't think Hillary has even began to realize the pschological damage she has done to the Democrats come November. It's completely demoralizing.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:51 AM
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16. Why isnt anyone calling this person a troll? Low post count, etc... i have been accused many times
Oh, that's right, he supports Obama...
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:47 PM
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21. im new but im no troll
i have opinions hence i have posts
so yep
im new
but nope
i aint no troll
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:12 PM
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26. Saying something nice about a Dem candidate would be a good sign
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:52 PM
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30. well
if you mean dem candidate=only hillary
then i guess your right
but if you are going to make broad statements then please do a lil bit of work
i know
hillbots think work is for people who cant lie their way out of it
look my threads up
see if im supporting a dem
i am
you just dont see him cause your blinded by that clinton shine


go obama
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:52 AM
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17. Yeah, I think Hillary may be the dirtier player
She also might be the bigger conservative.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:46 PM
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20. Stupid Flame Baiting Trolls: Do They Know How To Hide Themselves Anymore?
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:51 PM
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24. ok my friends
see the response this gets?
hilarious shrill screaming and name calling from clintonistas
its hitting a nerve
lets keep the pressure up
write to every news outlet and ask why they arent reporting on the issue
and yes i am for obama
that would make me a democrat im pretty sure so....
if im not for hillary and have different opinions
even tho im a democrat
im a troll?
shrillary better concentrate on her day job
if shes counting on what ive seen here in DU
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:16 PM
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27. Well, Either A Troll, Or Mind Numbingly Stupid.
Take your pick of which. Doesn't change much...
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:46 PM
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28. thanks omc
you have become so lost in the hillary reality
i wear your calling me troll
as a badge of honor
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:48 PM
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22. John McCain is more civil. nt
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:51 PM
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23. McCain is less abrasive (nt)
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