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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:30 PM
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white over 50 middle class and STILL for obama
i just finished watching the reruns of all the msm shows
i saw obama twice explaining his relationship with his pastor
i was raised a fire and brimstone baptist in tennessee
i walked away more resolved that obama is americas man

why do i feel the clinton slime machine is neck deep in this?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:32 PM
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1. White and almost 40, and right there with ya.
Obama's pastor has been known about for quite a while and all of a sudden BAM this blows up on the MSM. And whaddya know? Gerri Ferraro's off the front page now.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:33 PM
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2. I don't think Clinton's campaign was behind this one
There's no evidence of that...there's some evidence that McCain's campaign may have been behind it.

Wolfson declined to criticize Obama for this...they are not the ones doing the attacking here.

We as Democrats all need to stand together to fight right wing smears like this, and blaming Clinton is not going to help. We need to reach out to Clinton supporters and ask them to stand with us in fighting this right wing slime, as I would hope that we would do if Clinton were the victim of a swiftboat attempt like this.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:36 PM
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5. Yeah, the Republicans were definitely behind this one, using their surrogate Faux Noise.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 11:37 PM by Tatiana
And kudos do go to the Hillary camp for not inserting themselves into the controversy to score a political cheap shot.

Bottom line is I support the open form of government Obama will bring and this sideshow has not caused me to waver one bit.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:51 AM
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33. This is one of the few times that I've actually been proud of the Hillary campaign.
It was noble of Hillary not to dredge the depths on this ridiculous story. I've had some huge problems with the campaign she's run, but her integrity on this story has been noted.

(And I'm really hoping we don't find out that her campaign was actually behind this...)
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:38 PM
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8. hmmm
if thats true then mc cain is pretty sure obama is his opponent in nov.
he knows he wins against hillary so taking shots at obama is a double payday for him
amazing the way mc cain and hillary play so well together
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:35 PM
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3. I choose to believe the Clinton campaign is not behind this.
I'm praying the Democratic party will not be ripped apart by this nomination process. And I believe that the Republican party is blood-thirsty and frightened of both Obama and Clinton, in different ways.

They are the first enemy.

I think Clinton now knows that she cannot actively destroy Obama and expect to win the Superdelegates.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:36 PM
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4. I think this whole thing is a discussion this country really NEEDS to have. I say . . .
Bring it on.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:37 PM
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6. I am there with you as well.. White over 50 male and not raised in religion...
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 11:38 PM by LakeSamish706
Of course I rebelled from the religion part, but.... (Tried to raise me in religion)

I agree with the second post, I think that the Clinton Campaign had something to do with bringing this into the lime light of our notorious MSM...
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:40 PM
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10. clinton-mccain is there a difference any more?
seems like they got a tag team goin to me
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:38 PM
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7. I am in the same Dem boat 2 years short of 60!
K and R
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:40 PM
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9. You too?
That goes both for the over 50/for Obama AND the Clinton slime machine being neck deep in this... slime.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:55 PM
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15. Yes, just because they are quiet, doesn't mean they aren't involved.
They are letting it play out for now, but don't kid yourselves.

I will NEVER give the Clinton slime machine a pass. Each time a new mud ball is thrown at Obama I am amazed at some people on this board who so easily reject Clinton's involvement. They did say they were going to throw the kitchen sink at him, and "let the vetting begin," and this is the "fun" part. Or when she makes the non-apology apology about Ferraro, they accept it as genuine.

How many times do you have to be fooled before you wise up? They have done this repeatedly in the campaign.

There is NOTHING that the Clinton campaign will not do, and I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton was in this WITH McCain, as it serves them both.

The Clintons have cozied up with RW talk and Fox and didn't I hear that Ferraro is a Fox analyst?

Take off the blinders, people.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:41 PM
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11. White, over 50, and not blaming Clinton.
I think this was a Hannity/Faux hit job to try and drive up Obama's negatives.

Luckily, he was able to reverse it and come out looking better.

His kung fu skills are unstoppable.

- as
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:43 PM
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12. yup
he is the kung fu master
i havent seen the use of charm and wit like this since bobby k got shot in LA
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:47 PM
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13. I grew up
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 11:48 PM by sorrybushisfromtexas
in a Baptist church where half the congregation walked out because a black nurse wheeled in one of our members.
I heard Catholic bashing almost every week.

I was made stronger by it and resolved to be better than many of my parent's generation were.

By the way I am 58 also and a liberal in Texas.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:51 PM
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14. White, almost 70, Female,
who used to be middle class, but since my husband passed away, I have been poor. I live on Soc. Sec.only, so you could say I'm dirt poor. Obama is the only one I can trust to make sure I get to KEEP what little I have, which includes my Medicare coverage and prescrition coverage. The State of Ct. pays for my Medicare coverage 'cause my income is so low. I'm glad I'm not rich, otherwise I'd have to worry about my bank failing and my stocks being wiped out before my eyes. My daughter and her husband, about 10 years from retirement, have seen their 401 k retirement savings CUT IN HALF this past year. They are getting ready to send my twin grandsons to college. I have no idea how they are going to make it, so folks.......WE NEED OBAMA.....desperately!!!
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:30 AM
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16. White Near 50 Female - still for Obama!
I agree with a poster above - amazing this drum is being beaten to a pulp right now - with no attention being given to Parsley's association with McCain, or Hillary's association with members of the Fellowship.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:31 AM
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17. Obama also pushing back on Youtube against Rev. Wright!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:32 AM
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18. Wow, "white people" are voting for Obama?
Imagine that? I thought we were all "devils" and stuff?

Welcome swampg8r. :hi:
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:21 AM
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38. well actually
im only half white
the other half is native
does this make me 1/2 a devil or just devilish?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:19 PM
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48. I'm going to go with devilsh.
;)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:42 AM
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19. Is it possible Clinton & McCain are colluding?
Clinton wants to run and McCain wants to run against Clinton. Right?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:49 AM
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20. gray here.
my skin is whitish, beigy, but I am of colour, we all are.

i refuse to accept my skin makes me a better person.
gray matter, that's what counts.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:24 AM
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39. oh man
why do the gray people have to come here
they will just ruin the place!!!
and their cooking
oh my god what a smell
why cant they all just go back to graybekistan!!
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:49 AM
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21. Because your paranoid and afraid to acknowledge that Obama has not been vetted, has
some skeletons and you want to blame someone - so Hillary seemed to be the best target. There you go. 5 cents please.

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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:51 AM
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22. LoL
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:54 AM
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23. 30ish, female, Assyrian Christian
and still with Obama! Refuse to allow the swift boating of ANY dem candidate to affect my stance, and if anything will dig in my heels even further and fight for my candidate. Bring it Hannity & Co :spank:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:57 AM
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24. White, 52, Lower MC, And Right There With Ya !!! - K & R !!!
:bounce: :patriot: :bounce:

:hi:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:59 AM
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25. Fifty-six, Straight up honkey, for Obama,
That's how I role...(sic) :hi:
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:01 AM
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26. Obama WASN'T raised a black race-warrior. He CHOSE that church of his own free will.
/nt
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:11 AM
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27. Yeah.... so?
...

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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:15 AM
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28. The OP said they were "raised a fire and brimstone baptist in Tennessee."
Sure enough. And I'd never blame him for anything a pastor said back in Tennessee when the OP was taken off to church. Obama, if he was raised anything, was raised an atheist. Yet it was at Pastor Wright's church that Obama took the step of having himself baptized as a fully-grown adult man.

Wright is not just some random pastor. He is a foundation-stone in the architecture of Barack's self-made identity.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:17 AM
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29. corporate machine is scared of a candidate with over a million donors
it needs hillary to save it.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:18 AM
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30. Why is everyone saying what color they are?
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:31 AM
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45. i will as OP answer your querie
we are all making a point of race because race is being made a point of by msm
they say whites back hillary
not me or anyone i have ever heard in my life
they are trying to paint the election in a racial light and the truth is that we are making our choices without regard to it
if each poster on DU represents a number of americans then read the responses
whatever that number is we represent
hillary mccain the msm all are alienating us by focusing on the single issue we have decided is not important
if this many old settled secure white folks are with obama
what does that speak of our feeling toward hillary
she is the tired old way we want to leave behind
she is the tired old way we have been against most of our lives
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:21 AM
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47. That's right
I'm listing stats on myself to show that even though the media claims I'm in Hillary's demographics...she is NOT my candidate.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:27 AM
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31. White, upper middle class, over 50, agnostic
and I think this whole issue is crap.

And it's the faux outrage of the day. We aren't talking about racist people like Ferraro today.

And I'm pretty sure I saw a few poo flinging flying monkeys on their way back to the castle. Yet another "Mission: Accomplished"

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:31 AM
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32. White, female, mid 50's and backing Obama all the way! nt
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:25 AM
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34. White female, over 50, middle class...
raised Catholic, aethist since I was old enough to decide for myself...

still supporting Obama!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:26 AM
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35. white 30 ,, even stronger for Obama
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
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36. White, over 50 and still
for Clinton - with all my heart.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:26 AM
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37. White, over 50 and voting for Obama nt
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 07:26 AM by whutgives
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:25 AM
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40. "white over 50 middle class and STILL for obama.."
Ditto! :thumbsup:
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:25 AM
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41. white over 50 and middle class (today, I think) Still for Obama.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:26 AM
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42. Middle aged white and still for Obama
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:27 AM
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43. Why do you feel the Clinton SLIME MACHINE is neck deep in this?
Because....it is what it is!
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:28 AM
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44. White, 44 Middle Class and STILL for Obama. (But I think Hillary is clean so far on this.)
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:35 AM
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46. White, 50, still supporting Obama
This was supposed to be a political campaign, not "Survivor - Denver."

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