HRC's connection to "The Fellowship" is a hell of a lot more dangerous than Obama's

connections to an Africentric church, but you will have to take the time to read about it, because you likely won't see it on Fox News or hear it from Rush.

Hillary belongs to "The Fellowship" and they worship capitalism and power.

For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

“You guys are here to learn how to rule the world.”

~~~ In a document entitled “Our Common Agreement as a Core Group,” members of the Family are instructed to form a “core group,” or a “cell,” which is defined as “a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.” A document called “Thoughts on a Core Group” explains that “Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people.” ... And what the Family desired, from Abraham Vereide to Doug Coe to Bengt, was power, worldly power, with which Christ's kingdom can be built, cell by cell. ~~~

~~~ The Family was founded in April 1935 by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian immigrant who made his living as a traveling preacher ... In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called “the new world order.” ... He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of “the predictable type” (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having “the faintest connection” with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison “to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.” Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of “strong” government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler ... Even in Franco's Spain, Vereide once boasted at a prayer breakfast in 1965, “there are secret cells such as the American Embassy (and) the Standard Oil office (that allow us) to move practically anywhere.” ... Vereide began to worry that the movement he had spent his life building might become just another political party. In 1966, a few years before he was “promoted” to heaven at age eighty-four, Vereide wrote a letter declaring it time to “submerge the institutional image of .” No longer would the Family recruit its powerful members in public, nor recruit so many. “There has always been one man,” wrote Vereide, “or a small core who have caught the vision for their country and become aware of what a 'leadership led by God' could mean spiritually to the nation and to the world. . . . It is these men, banded together, who can accomplish the vision God gave me years ago.” ~~~

The above is excerpted from various links at: 'The Fellowship' & "How Hillary Clinton Turned Herself into the Consummate Washington Player"

Jesus Plus Nothing:
Undercover Among America's Secret Theocrats

... The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.”

~snip~

... Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”

~snip~

The day I worked at C Street I ran into Doug Coe, who was tutoring Todd Tiahrt, a Republican congressman from Kansas. A friendly, plainspoken man with a bright, lazy smile, Coe has worked for the Family since 1959, soon after he graduated from college, and has led it since 1969.

Tiahrt was a short shot glass of a man, two parts flawless hair and one part teeth. He wanted to know the best way “for the Christian to win the race with the Muslim.” The Muslim, he said, has too many babies, while Americans kill too many of theirs.

Doug agreed this could be a problem. But he was more concerned that the focus on labels like “Christian” might get in the way of the congressman's prayers. Religion distracts people from Jesus, Doug said, and allows them to isolate Christ's will from their work in the world.

“People separate it out,” he warned Tiahrt. “'Oh, okay, I got religion, that's private.' As if Jesus doesn't know anything about building highways, or Social Security. We gotta take Jesus out of the religious wrapping.”

“All right, how do we do that?” Tiahrt asked.

“A covenant,” Doug answered. The congressman half-smiled, as if caught between confessing his ignorance and pretending he knew what Doug was talking about. “Like the Mafia,” Doug clarified. “Look at the strength of their bonds.” He made a fist and held it before Tiahrt's face. Tiahrt nodded, squinting. “See, for them it's honor,” Doug said. “For us, it's Jesus.”

Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their “brothers”: “Look at Hitler,” he said. “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden.” The Family, of course, possessed a weapon those leaders lacked: the “total Jesus” of a brotherhood in Christ.

“That's what you get with a covenant,” said Coe. “Jesus plus nothing.”

~snip~

Two weeks into my stay, David Coe, Doug's son and the presumptive heir to leadership of the Family, dropped by the house. My brothers and I assembled in the living room, where David had draped his tall frame over a burgundy leather recliner like a frat boy, one leg hanging over a padded arm.

“You guys,” David said, “are here to learn how to rule the world.” ... “King David,” David Coe said. “That's a good one. David. Hey. What would you say made King David a good guy?” He was giggling, not from nervousness but from barely containable delight.

“Faith?” Beau said. “His faith was so strong?”

“Yeah.” David nodded as if he hadn't heard that before. “Hey, you know what's interesting about King David?” From the blank stares of the others I could see that they did not. Many didn't even carry a Hebrew Bible, preferring a slim volume of just the New Testament Gospels and Epistles and, from the Old, Psalms. Others had the whole book, but the gold gilt on the pages of the first two thirds remained undisturbed. “King David,” David Coe went on, “liked to do really, really bad things.” He chuckled. “Here's this guy who slept with another man's wife—Bathsheba, right?—and then basically murders her husband. And this guy is one of our heroes.” David shook his head. “I mean, Jiminy Christmas, God likes this guy! What,” he said, “is that all about?”

The answer, we discovered, was that King David had been “chosen.” To illustrate this point David Coe turned to Beau. “Beau, let's say I hear you raped three little girls. And now here you are at Ivanwald. What would I think of you, Beau?”

Beau shrank into the cushions. “Probably that I'm pretty bad?”

“No, Beau. I wouldn't. Because I'm not here to judge you. That's not my job. I'm here for only one thing.”

“Jesus?” Beau said. David smiled and winked.

~snip~

David explained that when Genghis entered a defeated city he would call in the local headman and have him stuffed into a crate. Over the crate would be spread a tablecloth, and on the tablecloth would be spread a wonderful meal. “And then, while the man suffocated, Genghis ate, and he didn't even hear the man's screams.” David still stood on the couch, a finger in the air. “Do you know what that means?” He was thinking of Christ's parable of the wineskins. “You can't pour new into old,” David said, returning to his chair. “We elect our leaders. Jesus elects his.”

He reached over and squeezed the arm of a brother. “Isn't that great?” David said. “That's the way everything in life happens. If you're a person known to be around Jesus, you can go and do anything. And that's who you guys are. When you leave here, you're not only going to know the value of Jesus, you're going to know the people who rule the world. It's about vision. 'Get your vision straight, then relate.' Talk to the people who rule the world, and help them obey. Obey Him. If I obey Him myself, I help others do the same. You know why? Because I become a warning. We become a warning. We warn everybody that the future king is coming. Not just of this country or that, but of the world.” Then he pointed at the map, toward the Khan's vast, reclaimable empire.
...

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

what prayers they say, who their frickin' God is. What are my taxes, how much is gas, where is my next door neighbor's kid in Iraq and why can't I send my kid to college... those are the real issues

it has to do with power and who's really running the show. I think that's relevant, no?

Americans, average voters, are not interested in detail like a prayer group. Pointless. As to who is running the show---look around. Multi-multi millionaires...thing they're interested in a prayer group? Get real.

of related or unrelated facts that sum up a supposition that is suspicious to you. Fine. Freak out. The rest of us will mosey on over to things like moeny for schools, end of Iraq...tawdry stiff like that.

Does anyone ever read on DU anymore, or do they just let Fox News and Co. do their thinking for them?

religion for their own selfish aims. Look who is involved with this group-not the stellar list of Dems I would like to see lead this country!

these people have a goal. Theocracy.

Fix Washington DC list? Are you concerned that the right wing has funded think tanks, non-profits, Universities etc., to change our social structure, and in so doing has saturated our society with utter bullshit?

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/?sort=title_tagl...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...
When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

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These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.

leadership.

You must not have any idea what this group is about or how inappropriate it is for Clinton to consort with this group.

Standing next to a criminal

As Your Economy goes to hell

WHY IS THIS MAN SMILING?

Two of my favorite DUers ~ we should all take the time to read their posts

I :toast:

to them both, and you for acknowledging them.

and the sad, sorry Democrats who turn a blind eye.

And for the love of mike, where did that first image come from?

How about this one of the two, standing with their hands by their sides and not on their hearts during the anthem at the superbowl.

I am supporting Obama, but not by flinging the "crazy preacher" crap at Hillary. Not gonna do it. If there's "crazy preacher" crap that needs flinging, it needs to be flung at McCain.

If Obama wins the nomination, he could use Clinton's support. If Clinton pulls some sort of come-from-behind nomination win, she does need this crap piled on her plate by us.

We need to cut this shit out.

And it is not a knee-jerk reaction to the events of the last two days. It is about a much deeper matter -- a longstanding history of politicians and corporatists involved in this group seeking power and control -- and it as posted previously here on GD: P long before the Obama pastor craze.

...and I certainly agree with the anti-corporatist sentiment on DU!

Still, given the options, I'd take Clinton's corporate ass over McCain's any day, any time. There are much bigger issues.

no wonder shes jumped. her god abandoned her, according to her own belief

This is friggin scary!

~~~ In a document entitled “Our Common Agreement as a Core Group,” members of the Family are instructed to form a “core group,” or a “cell,” which is defined as “a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.” A document called “Thoughts on a Core Group” explains that “Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people.” ... And what the Family desired, from Abraham Vereide to Doug Coe to Bengt, was power, worldly power, with which Christ's kingdom can be built, cell by cell. ~~~

"One night, while lying in bed fretting about socialists, Wobblies, and a Swedish Communist who, he was sure, planned to bring Seattle under the control of Moscow, Vereide received a visitation: a voice, and a light in the dark, bright and blinding. The next day he met a friend, a wealthy businessman and former major, and the two men agreed upon a spiritual plan. They enlisted nineteen business executives in a weekly breakfast meeting and together they prayed, convinced that Jesus alone could redeem Seattle and crush the radical unions. "

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1

Maybe Hillary prayed to Jesus for similar intercessions while on Walmart's board?

Then I read somewhere in the articles, that only the elite have power, and making the people obey :wow:

-Bush/Clinton/BCCI/Walmart/WTI financier!

you are either on to the story of the century, or are a dishonest ninny.

is that she belongs to the Senate Prayer Group - a group John Edwards co-chaired when he was in the Senate.

John Edwards was as well. at least neither of them said their support for abortion rights wasn't infalliable b/c of their christianity.

When are we going to hear more about this little danger group?	goclark	Mar-15-08 12:07 AM	#1
NONE of this shit matters to anybody	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 12:14 AM	#2
Then why don't we just keep the current leadership in power?	mod mom	Mar-15-08 12:17 AM	#3
Here's a little more information gbefore you cast this off as nothing:	mod mom	Mar-15-08 12:20 AM	#4
Read the lips of America--we're hungry and we don't care what church they go to,	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 12:24 AM	#6
In the case of this OP, it has little to do with church and religion	Emit	Mar-15-08 12:27 AM	#9
Oh baloney. This is the inverted version of the right - wing stink think	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 12:31 AM	#13
You know nothing about this group if you think it is merely a prayer group. n/t	Emit	Mar-15-08 12:36 AM	#17
So where's the tragic intent. Can you prove it? No you can't. Its all a bunch	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 12:45 AM	#21
We're living the tragic intent. n/t	Emit	Mar-15-08 12:51 AM	#23
We're close. Its all in the planet baby. Prayer groups are nothing compared to that.	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 01:02 AM	#24
And you still think it's about prayer groups	Emit	Mar-15-08 01:05 AM	#25
Read the articles and ties the pieces together. It's about power and corporatism and control-using	mod mom	Mar-15-08 11:27 AM	#31
well this "Fellowship" is about making sure many people STAY hungry. Educate yourself.	cryingshame	Mar-15-08 12:28 AM	#11
Educate myself over a prayer group by one candidate? WTH is that about?	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 12:34 AM	#15
Hillary's "Fellowship" involves a lot of extremist, rightwing politicians with an actual Mission	cryingshame	Mar-15-08 12:38 AM	#18
Yeah sure. Yawn. Its definetly at the top of my Fix Washington DC list	MichiganVote	Mar-15-08 12:43 AM	#20
What is at the top of 'your'	stillcool47	Mar-15-08 01:07 PM	#35
Hillary's Prayer Group	stillcool47	Mar-15-08 01:02 PM	#34
It SHOULD matter to well informed Democrats and anyone who cares about secular political	cryingshame	Mar-15-08 12:26 AM	#8
Screw this shit, what about this shit that Octafish and BLM have found?	Ichingcarpenter	Mar-15-08 12:23 AM	#5
Octafish and BLM	Emit	Mar-15-08 12:25 AM	#7
It's about the nasty lengths men in power go to keep control. And women who enable them	cryingshame	Mar-15-08 12:27 AM	#10
And/Or Democrats who are complicit. n/t	Emit	Mar-15-08 12:29 AM	#12
do you have a link?	merh	Mar-15-08 04:17 AM	#29
No no no no no and no	theredpen	Mar-15-08 12:32 AM	#14
I can appreciate that sentiment, but this is not about religion, theredpen	Emit	Mar-15-08 12:40 AM	#19
I know about about the anti-religion sentiment on DU	theredpen	Mar-15-08 01:28 PM	#36
K and R	ClayZ	Mar-15-08 12:34 AM	#16
the fellowship is twisted and disgusting. this explains a lot of hillarys mind	meow mix	Mar-15-08 12:50 AM	#22
...	SunsetDreams	Mar-15-08 03:30 AM	#26
This group was setup as an anti-socialist fascist 'charity'	Moochy	Mar-15-08 03:43 AM	#27
This is unbelievable!	SunsetDreams	Mar-15-08 03:58 AM	#28
The voices she heard was not Jesus but JACKSON STEPHENS	mod mom	Mar-15-08 11:30 AM	#32
K & R	Scurrilous	Mar-15-08 11:14 AM	#30
k & r	PerfectSage	Mar-15-08 12:51 PM	#33
Since John Edwards and Carl Levin were part of the same "dangerous" group...	Kurt_and_Hunter	Mar-15-08 01:34 PM	#37
Her "connection"	MonkeyFunk	Mar-15-08 01:35 PM	#38
Eh, I don't know about this. McCain has the only truly dangerous situation WRT religous figures	ihavenobias	Mar-15-08 01:36 PM	#39
let's find out more about who else is in the fellowship. Someone here stated...	annie1	Mar-16-08 04:05 PM	#40
Thanks for posting this.	Scurrilous	Mar-17-08 01:00 AM	#41