HRC's connection to "The Fellowship" is a hell of a lot more dangerous than Obama's

[Emit]

connections to an Africentric church, but you will have to take the time to read about it, because you likely won't see it on Fox News or hear it from Rush.

Hillary belongs to "The Fellowship" and they worship capitalism and power.

For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

“You guys are here to learn how to rule the world.”

~~~ In a document entitled “Our Common Agreement as a Core Group,” members of the Family are instructed to form a “core group,” or a “cell,” which is defined as “a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.” A document called “Thoughts on a Core Group” explains that “Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people.” ... And what the Family desired, from Abraham Vereide to Doug Coe to Bengt, was power, worldly power, with which Christ's kingdom can be built, cell by cell. ~~~

~~~ The Family was founded in April 1935 by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian immigrant who made his living as a traveling preacher ... In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called “the new world order.” ... He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of “the predictable type” (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having “the faintest connection” with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison “to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.” Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of “strong” government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler ... Even in Franco's Spain, Vereide once boasted at a prayer breakfast in 1965, “there are secret cells such as the American Embassy (and) the Standard Oil office (that allow us) to move practically anywhere.” ... Vereide began to worry that the movement he had spent his life building might become just another political party. In 1966, a few years before he was “promoted” to heaven at age eighty-four, Vereide wrote a letter declaring it time to “submerge the institutional image of .” No longer would the Family recruit its powerful members in public, nor recruit so many. “There has always been one man,” wrote Vereide, “or a small core who have caught the vision for their country and become aware of what a 'leadership led by God' could mean spiritually to the nation and to the world. . . . It is these men, banded together, who can accomplish the vision God gave me years ago.” ~~~

The above is excerpted from various links at: 'The Fellowship' & "How Hillary Clinton Turned Herself into the Consummate Washington Player"




Jesus Plus Nothing:
Undercover Among America's Secret Theocrats

... The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.”


~snip~

... Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”

~snip~

The day I worked at C Street I ran into Doug Coe, who was tutoring Todd Tiahrt, a Republican congressman from Kansas. A friendly, plainspoken man with a bright, lazy smile, Coe has worked for the Family since 1959, soon after he graduated from college, and has led it since 1969.

Tiahrt was a short shot glass of a man, two parts flawless hair and one part teeth. He wanted to know the best way “for the Christian to win the race with the Muslim.” The Muslim, he said, has too many babies, while Americans kill too many of theirs.

Doug agreed this could be a problem. But he was more concerned that the focus on labels like “Christian” might get in the way of the congressman's prayers. Religion distracts people from Jesus, Doug said, and allows them to isolate Christ's will from their work in the world.

“People separate it out,” he warned Tiahrt. “'Oh, okay, I got religion, that's private.' As if Jesus doesn't know anything about building highways, or Social Security. We gotta take Jesus out of the religious wrapping.”

“All right, how do we do that?” Tiahrt asked.

“A covenant,” Doug answered. The congressman half-smiled, as if caught between confessing his ignorance and pretending he knew what Doug was talking about. “Like the Mafia,” Doug clarified. “Look at the strength of their bonds.” He made a fist and held it before Tiahrt's face. Tiahrt nodded, squinting. “See, for them it's honor,” Doug said. “For us, it's Jesus.”

Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their “brothers”: “Look at Hitler,” he said. “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden.” The Family, of course, possessed a weapon those leaders lacked: the “total Jesus” of a brotherhood in Christ.

“That's what you get with a covenant,” said Coe. “Jesus plus nothing.”

~snip~

Two weeks into my stay, David Coe, Doug's son and the presumptive heir to leadership of the Family, dropped by the house. My brothers and I assembled in the living room, where David had draped his tall frame over a burgundy leather recliner like a frat boy, one leg hanging over a padded arm.

“You guys,” David said, “are here to learn how to rule the world.” ... “King David,” David Coe said. “That's a good one. David. Hey. What would you say made King David a good guy?” He was giggling, not from nervousness but from barely containable delight.

“Faith?” Beau said. “His faith was so strong?”

“Yeah.” David nodded as if he hadn't heard that before. “Hey, you know what's interesting about King David?” From the blank stares of the others I could see that they did not. Many didn't even carry a Hebrew Bible, preferring a slim volume of just the New Testament Gospels and Epistles and, from the Old, Psalms. Others had the whole book, but the gold gilt on the pages of the first two thirds remained undisturbed. “King David,” David Coe went on, “liked to do really, really bad things.” He chuckled. “Here's this guy who slept with another man's wife—Bathsheba, right?—and then basically murders her husband. And this guy is one of our heroes.” David shook his head. “I mean, Jiminy Christmas, God likes this guy! What,” he said, “is that all about?”

The answer, we discovered, was that King David had been “chosen.” To illustrate this point David Coe turned to Beau. “Beau, let's say I hear you raped three little girls. And now here you are at Ivanwald. What would I think of you, Beau?”

Beau shrank into the cushions. “Probably that I'm pretty bad?”

“No, Beau. I wouldn't. Because I'm not here to judge you. That's not my job. I'm here for only one thing.”

“Jesus?” Beau said. David smiled and winked.

~snip~

David explained that when Genghis entered a defeated city he would call in the local headman and have him stuffed into a crate. Over the crate would be spread a tablecloth, and on the tablecloth would be spread a wonderful meal. “And then, while the man suffocated, Genghis ate, and he didn't even hear the man's screams.” David still stood on the couch, a finger in the air. “Do you know what that means?” He was thinking of Christ's parable of the wineskins. “You can't pour new into old,” David said, returning to his chair. “We elect our leaders. Jesus elects his.”

He reached over and squeezed the arm of a brother. “Isn't that great?” David said. “That's the way everything in life happens. If you're a person known to be around Jesus, you can go and do anything. And that's who you guys are. When you leave here, you're not only going to know the value of Jesus, you're going to know the people who rule the world. It's about vision. 'Get your vision straight, then relate.' Talk to the people who rule the world, and help them obey. Obey Him. If I obey Him myself, I help others do the same. You know why? Because I become a warning. We become a warning. We warn everybody that the future king is coming. Not just of this country or that, but of the world.” Then he pointed at the map, toward the Khan's vast, reclaimable empire.
...

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

[goclark]

1. When are we going to hear more about this little danger group?

[KittyWampus]

8. they are Theocrats. Extremists. And it's not just the Leadership. It's the Members AND Mission

these people are anti-democratic.

it's beyond unacceptable for a Democratic candidate for POTUS to consort with these people on a weekly basis.

[Dems Will Win]

39. This is the real Hillary and why she has turned so conservative

[Whisp]

24. only when they have a passioned public speech that goes

something like this:

Fuck the great unwashed peons! They are here to Serve us, only us great ones. God damn them for thinking they have a part of unveiling this vast theivery and deceit that we pwn. How Dare they think the constitution is more than a bowel movement.

but they talk quietly amongst themselves, with nice appetizers and unsoiled raiments, to remake the chessboard in quiet shadows with red blood flowing like rivers. Emotions and passions are for real people - and we hate those creatures that have qualities of humanity. We will Bust Them, everyone is a black single parent Palestinian woman now.

[Emit]

27. Didn't W already give that speech?

Or am I thinking of Poppy Bush?

[Whisp]

28. it easy to confuse the one party kings and queens, yes. nt

[MichiganVote]

2. NONE of this shit matters to anybody

[mod mom]

3. Then why don't we just keep the current leadership in power?

[MichiganVote]

5. Gee maybe because they are assholes and uh...out of time? Just guessin'

And by the way novice....they will do some of the same damn dumb things. Its an election, not the coming of Christ or something.

[mod mom]

35. If you want to continue the path toward corporatism then stay the course, but if

you want to find out just who the Clintons are aligned with research their ties to JACKSON STEPHENS (Bush/Clinton/BCCI financier):

Perhaps we should start by asking shy Arkansas billionaire Jackson T. Stephens. After all, Stephens introduced BCCI from Pakistan to the United States and the WTI waste incinerator to East Liverpool, Ohio. Stephens would be a good sketch artist because he's seen some monstrous scandals in his day. Stephens' family firm is the largest privately owned investment bank outside Wall Street. In September 1977, President Jimmy Carter's Budget Director Burt Lance was forced to resign amid allegations about his bank dealings with Stephens (Stephens and Carter were classmates at the Naval Academy). In 1978, Stephens, Lance and BCCI were charged with violating U.S. security laws. The charges were dropped after the defendants promised not to violate security laws in the future, even though they admitted no guilt.

The New York Post reported in February 1992 that it was Stephens who enabled BCCI to gain a foothold in the U.S. and helped the fraud-plagued bank secretly acquire U.S. banks. In Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin's book, False Profits, perhaps the best account of the BCCI scandal, the authors outlined how opium revenue from Afghanistan Mujahedin fighting the Soviets ended up in the accounts of BCCI, founded by Agha Hasan Abedi. The Post reported that Stephens allegedly introduced Abedi to Lance shortly after Lance resigned.

In 1991, Lance testified that he urged Abedi to acquire a Washington bank holding company, but he denied any knowledge of BCCI's subsequent secret ownership of First American Bankshares. The Post reported that Securities and Exchange Commission documents from 1977 substantiate that the idea originated with Stephens.

During Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential run, Stephens and his son Warren boasted of raising more than $100,000 for the campaign. The Stephens family also owned a 38 percent share in Worthen National Bank that extended a crucial $2 million line of credit to Clinton in January 1992.

-snip

http://www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/wti/bob.html

RESEARCH MARK PENN (CLINTON'S CHIEF STRATEGIST):

Similarly, after Blackwater USA security guards killed 8 Iraqi civilians, the company turned to BKSH, a subsidiary of Penn's Burson-Marsteller, for strategic advice on how to minimize the negative impact of dealing with Congressional inquires.

Such conflicts only touch the surface. For the media, Burson-Marsteller and its affiliated companies could easily become a full-time beat pumping out a cascade of additional stories:

* The creation of such seemingly innocuous organizations as the National Smokers Alliance, European Women for HPV Testing, and the Coalition for Clean and Renewable Energy - organizations which are in fact the creation of corporations seeking to win lucrative support for contentious fights over smoking in public places, the promotion of highly-remunerative testing for a sexually transmitted human papilloma virus, and the expansion of nuclear power facilities.


* The laundry list of controversial Burson-Marsteller -- and its subsidiary BKSH -- clients includes US Smokeless (i.e., chewing) Tobacco, Johnnie Walker (distilled spirits), Morongo Casino Resort & Spa (gambling), Lockheed Martin (weapons), and Chevron Texaco (oil/gas) and Bristol Myers Squibb, GlaxoSmithKline, and Wyeth/Amgen (pharmaceutical).


* Penn's work for BOTOX, as described on his firm's website, sharply contradict Clinton's feminist commitments and ironically clash with her particularly strong support among older women:

"Burson-Marsteller worked to redefine the BOTOX image to speak to its benefits, drive a relationship with potential end users, minimize safety concerns and reflect its flexibility. Among the critical issues that needed to be addressed were consumers' perceptions regarding the side effects and toxicity of BOTOX Cosmetic....A multimedia initiative targeted key print, broadcast and online media outlets in top U.S. markets, and physician "key opinion leaders" conveyed scientific messages that provided objective, independent thought. The campaign resulted in more than 743 million positive media impressions for the BOTOX brand. Among prescription products, these results are second only to the benchmark launch of Viagra. In the first nine months of 2002, sales increased $90.3 million over the same period in the previous year. Media highlights include coverage in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, USA Today, Newsweek (cover story), Time, Associated Press, Reuters, Dow Jones, Bloomberg and UPI. The BOTOX brand was also featured in stories on "Good Morning America," "Today Show," "CBS Early Show," ABC, CBS, FOX CNBC, CNN, CNNfn, Fox News Channel and MSNBC.

* An equally controversial list of foreign clients including the Pakistan People's Party, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, Colombia, Armenia, and Greece.


From the point of view of any news organization, Mark Penn, who has evolved from a relatively obscure Bill Clinton pollster into the helmsman of the Hillary Clinton campaign, is a walking, talking target -- an over-the-top example of the seductions of Washington, a lethal combination of political opportunism and corporate profiteering.

At this late stage of the campaign, it should come as little surprise that his top position in Hillary Clinton's enterprise would be used to question her campaign's judgment. A succinct portrait of Penn's liabilities was published as early as a year ago by the Washington Post in this relationship map:



-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/mark-penn-ties...



ASK YOURSELF WHY BILL CLINTON WOULD SELL OUT THE INTEGRITY OF FOREIGN ELECTIONS TO A KNOWN OPPRESSIVE TYRANT:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008


Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip

snip

"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.h...


TAKE A LOOK AT HER DONORS:

THE NEW REPUBLIC
With Friends Like These ...
by Marin Cogan, Melanie Mason, and Barron YoungSmith
Everything you ever wanted to know about the Clintons' shadiest donors.
Post Date Monday, February 04, 2008

It's not that we expect politicians to have squeaky-clean donor lists. You try running for office without, at one point or another, taking money from someone you probably shouldn't. Even Barack Obama, Mr. Clean, has Tony Rezko. But the Frank Giustra-Kazakhstan-Uranium affair, blown open by The New York Times last week, serves as a reminder that the relationship between the Clintons and money has not always been lily-white. Here, a guide to the unsavory characters who have been associated with Bill and Hillary Clinton.


http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca...

It's not exactly an advertisement for the working-class hero, or a picture her campaign freely displays. Her lengthy support for the Iraq War is Clinton's biggest liability in Democratic primary circles. But her ties to corporate America say as much, if not more, about what she values and cast doubt on her ability and willingness to fight for the progressive policies she claims to champion. She is "running to help and restore the great middle class in our country," Wolfson says. So was Bill in 1992. He was for "putting people first." Then he entered the White House and pushed for NAFTA, signed welfare reform, consolidated the airwaves through the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (leading to Clear Channel's takeover) and cleared the mergers of mega-banks. Would the First Lady do any different? Ever since the defeat of healthcare reform, Hillary has been a committed incrementalist, describing herself as a creature of the "moderate, sensible center" whom business admires and rewards. During her six years in the Senate, she's rarely been out front on difficult economic issues. Given her proximity to money and power, it's not hard to figure out why she keeps controversial figures close to her--even if their work becomes a liability for her campaign.

-snip

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070604/berman



Lobbyists -Hillary # 1

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?cycle=2008

Oil & Gas _Hillary # 4 (although TOP DEM)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=E01

Pharm/Health Products-Hillary # 3 (TOP DEM)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=H04

[mod mom]

4. Here's a little more information gbefore you cast this off as nothing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[MichiganVote]

7. Read the lips of America--we're hungry and we don't care what church they go to,

what prayers they say, who their frickin' God is. What are my taxes, how much is gas, where is my next door neighbor's kid in Iraq and why can't I send my kid to college... those are the real issues

[Emit]

11. In the case of this OP, it has little to do with church and religion

it has to do with power and who's really running the show. I think that's relevant, no?

[MichiganVote]

15. Oh baloney. This is the inverted version of the right - wing stink think

Americans, average voters, are not interested in detail like a prayer group. Pointless. As to who is running the show---look around. Multi-multi millionaires...thing they're interested in a prayer group? Get real.

[Emit]

19. You know nothing about this group if you think it is merely a prayer group. n/t

[MichiganVote]

23. So where's the tragic intent. Can you prove it? No you can't. Its all a bunch

of related or unrelated facts that sum up a supposition that is suspicious to you. Fine. Freak out. The rest of us will mosey on over to things like moeny for schools, end of Iraq...tawdry stiff like that.

[Emit]

26. We're living the tragic intent. n/t

[MichiganVote]

29. We're close. Its all in the planet baby. Prayer groups are nothing compared to that.

[Emit]

30. And you still think it's about prayer groups

Does anyone ever read on DU anymore, or do they just let Fox News and Co. do their thinking for them?

[mod mom]

37. Read the articles and ties the pieces together. It's about power and corporatism and control-using

religion for their own selfish aims. Look who is involved with this group-not the stellar list of Dems I would like to see lead this country!

[KittyWampus]

13. well this "Fellowship" is about making sure many people STAY hungry. Educate yourself.

[MichiganVote]

17. Educate myself over a prayer group by one candidate? WTH is that about?

[KittyWampus]

20. Hillary's "Fellowship" involves a lot of extremist, rightwing politicians with an actual Mission

these people have a goal. Theocracy.

[MichiganVote]

22. Yeah sure. Yawn. Its definetly at the top of my Fix Washington DC list

[stillcool]

43. What is at the top of 'your'

Fix Washington DC list? Are you concerned that the right wing has funded think tanks, non-profits, Universities etc., to change our social structure, and in so doing has saturated our society with utter bullshit?

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/?sort=title_tagl...

[stillcool]

42. Hillary's Prayer Group

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...
When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.


Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

------------------------------

These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.

[KittyWampus]

10. It SHOULD matter to well informed Democrats and anyone who cares about secular political

leadership.

You must not have any idea what this group is about or how inappropriate it is for Clinton to consort with this group.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Screw this shit, what about this shit that Octafish and BLM have found?

Standing next to a criminal










As Your Economy goes to hell

WHY IS THIS MAN SMILING?

[Emit]

9. Octafish and BLM

Two of my favorite DUers ~ we should all take the time to read their posts

I to them both, and you for acknowledging them.

[KittyWampus]

12. It's about the nasty lengths men in power go to keep control. And women who enable them

and the sad, sorry Democrats who turn a blind eye.

[Emit]

14. And/Or Democrats who are complicit. n/t

[merh]

34. do you have a link?

And for the love of mike, where did that first image come from?

How about this one of the two, standing with their hands by their sides and not on their hearts during the anthem at the superbowl.

[theredpen]

16. No no no no no and no

I am supporting Obama, but not by flinging the "crazy preacher" crap at Hillary. Not gonna do it. If there's "crazy preacher" crap that needs flinging, it needs to be flung at McCain.

If Obama wins the nomination, he could use Clinton's support. If Clinton pulls some sort of come-from-behind nomination win, she does need this crap piled on her plate by us.

We need to cut this shit out.

[Emit]

21. I can appreciate that sentiment, but this is not about religion, theredpen

And it is not a knee-jerk reaction to the events of the last two days. It is about a much deeper matter -- a longstanding history of politicians and corporatists involved in this group seeking power and control -- and it as posted previously here on GD: P long before the Obama pastor craze.

[theredpen]

44. I know about about the anti-religion sentiment on DU

...and I certainly agree with the anti-corporatist sentiment on DU!

Still, given the options, I'd take Clinton's corporate ass over McCain's any day, any time. There are much bigger issues.

[Emit]

45. I agree, theredpen

McCain will never be an option, IMO. I will vote for Clinton if she gets the nod, no doubt. But, at least we should be aware of who we might be voting for, and the potential consequences of that.

[theredpen]

48. I can't argue with that

OMG, I'm coming to agreement on GDP. Am I dreaming?

[ClayZ]

18. K and R

[meow mix]

25. the fellowship is twisted and disgusting. this explains a lot of hillarys mind

no wonder shes jumped. her god abandoned her, according to her own belief

[SunsetDreams]

31. ...

This is friggin scary!

~~~ In a document entitled “Our Common Agreement as a Core Group,” members of the Family are instructed to form a “core group,” or a “cell,” which is defined as “a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.” A document called “Thoughts on a Core Group” explains that “Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people.” ... And what the Family desired, from Abraham Vereide to Doug Coe to Bengt, was power, worldly power, with which Christ's kingdom can be built, cell by cell. ~~~

[Moochy]

32. This group was setup as an anti-socialist fascist 'charity'

"One night, while lying in bed fretting about socialists, Wobblies, and a Swedish Communist who, he was sure, planned to bring Seattle under the control of Moscow, Vereide received a visitation: a voice, and a light in the dark, bright and blinding. The next day he met a friend, a wealthy businessman and former major, and the two men agreed upon a spiritual plan. They enlisted nineteen business executives in a weekly breakfast meeting and together they prayed, convinced that Jesus alone could redeem Seattle and crush the radical unions. "

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1

Maybe Hillary prayed to Jesus for similar intercessions while on Walmart's board?

[SunsetDreams]

33. This is unbelievable!

Then I read somewhere in the articles, that only the elite have power, and making the people obey

[mod mom]

38. The voices she heard was not Jesus but JACKSON STEPHENS

-Bush/Clinton/BCCI/Walmart/WTI financier!

[Moochy]

40. Hey just like at the DU..

Big Donor for the win!

[Scurrilous]

36. K & R

[PerfectSage]

41. k & r

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

46. Since John Edwards and Carl Levin were part of the same "dangerous" group...

you are either on to the story of the century, or are a dishonest ninny.

[Emit]

50. And here's what one of the authors, Sharlet, says about Edwards and the Fellowship

September 5, 2007 2:44 PM
Jeff Sharlet said:

~snip~

But as for your comment about Edwards, yes, you're right. The Senate Prayer Breakfast is by far the least ideological activity of the Fellowship, though it still tends to be very minority Democrat. Real fellow travelers, tho, don't just go to the Senate breakfast; they meet separately with smaller cells (their word, not mine) of like-minded folks. Hillary had such a cell at one point, as we write. Edwards, to the best of my knowledge, didn't. I've never spoken to Edwards, but I asked Bob Moser, who wrote a great profile of him for The Nation, about those religious connections. In Edwards' case, he said, it really was just politics -- which is fine.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2007/09/05/the-rel... /

scroll down to the comment section

[MonkeyFunk]

47. Her "connection"

is that she belongs to the Senate Prayer Group - a group John Edwards co-chaired when he was in the Senate.

[KittyWampus]

51. not quite.

[MonkeyFunk]

52. Anybody who thinks Clinton

is a Christian conservative who wants to impose a theocracy is just batshit insane.

[KittyWampus]

53. then why is she consorting with these people on a weekly basis. She has said Coe is her mentor, btw.

[MonkeyFunk]

55. It's the Senate Prayer Group

Lots of Democrats have been members. The group has been around for decades.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. It's a weekly prayer group

duh.

Do you think a pro-choice, pro-gay rights Democrat is secretly a christian conservative?

And aren't YOU the guys screaming about "guilt by association"?

This is the kind of stupid smear that makes me think less of you - not because it's against Clinton, but because it's so friggin' stupid.

[KittyWampus]

59. This isn't just 'association', it's the MISSION of these Theocrats. Does she agree with their goal?

these aren't people just praying.

They have a fucking STATED goal.

It's about destroying democracy.

It's not a 'smear'.,

It's what Hillary is willing to do, to grasp Power as long as she can.

[ihavenobias]

49. Eh, I don't know about this. McCain has the only truly dangerous situation WRT religous figures

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[PerfectSage]

54. That's an interesting link. Hagee a nutbar without a firm grasp of reality.

Hagee a Rovian nutbar who wants to bomb Iran and bring on the Armegeddon.

"I looked to Pastor Hagee as a god."

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=john_hagees...

[annie1]

57. let's find out more about who else is in the fellowship. Someone here stated...

John Edwards was as well. at least neither of them said their support for abortion rights wasn't infalliable b/c of their christianity.

[Scurrilous]

58. Thanks for posting this.