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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 07:50 AM
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Who Helps In Fla?
Which potential VP helps the most in Florida assuming that neither Graham nor Nelson will be on the ticket. Florida looks like it could be very close and would be a real prize for Kerry to win.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 08:05 AM
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1. It's a toss up...

Joe Lieberman or Gov Richardson... one gets the Jewish vote (but
uuugh), and one could help with hispanics... though maybe not that
much. I don't think John Edwards or Wes Clark would help that much,
but willing to be educated on the subject.

Except that I think he is too young (legally), how about Harold Ford,
Jr. of Tenn?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:48 AM
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8. yes, harold ford is too young
he was an early supporter of john kerry and if he was old enough i'm sure he would be a top consideration for kerry. he worked hard for kerry throughout the entire campaign even when things got really bad in the campaign and kerry was going down in polls.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:16 AM
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14. Your education regarding Edwards
Florida
John Edwards 44%
Bob Graham 19%
Hillary Clinton 17%
Wesley Clark 7%
Dick Gephardt 4%
Bill Richardson 2%
Mary Landrieu 1%

Louisiana
John Edwards 31%
Hillary Clinton 23%
Mary Landrieu 22%
Dick Gephardt 8%
Wesley Clark 6%
Bob Graham 2%
Bill Richardson 2%

Mississippi
John Edwards 43%
Hillary Clinton 27%
Wesley Clark 9%
Dick Gephardt 8%
Bob Graham 2%
Mary Landrieu 2%
Bill Richardson 1%

Texas
John Edwards 43%
Hillary Clinton 27%
Wesley Clark 7%
Dick Gephardt 6%
Bill Richardson 4%
Bob Graham 3%
Mary Landrieu 2%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/dates/...
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 08:44 AM
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2. Ford
I really like Ford. But he is too young and would be too short on the experience factor. If Kerry is elected, I bet Ford is in the administration in some capacity. Remember, Ford was a VERY early supporter of Kerry.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:06 AM
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3. Lieberman
was the most popular democratic candidate in the state for most of the nomination season. While he will not be selected as VP, it is his popularity that will help Kerry in Florida.
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DMX Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:02 PM
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4. Edwards helps
There was actually a poll done right after the primaries that says John Edwwards will help Kerry win in Florida.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:54 AM
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10. no, edwards was #1 for vp pick, but didn't help in terms of gains
when asked who florida voters thought should be kerry's vp, edwards won. but kerry's support in the state did not go up all that much with either edwards or graham. but edwards can help in other states in terms of getting support for kerry outside of kerry's base of support such as conservative leaning swing voters. if he can help even a little bit with these voters in some states where the race is close it could be what helps kerry win the state.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:49 AM
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9. yes, Lieberman can help without being vp
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:00 AM
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5. "Who Helps In Fla?"
>Which potential VP helps the most in Florida assuming that neither >Graham nor Nelson will be on the ticket. Florida looks like it >could be very close and would be a real prize for Kerry to win.

In Florida, I think anyone with a lot of respect in the African American community. Many blacks were disenfranchised in the last election and I can bet they will be out in force this time around.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:15 AM
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6. According to FL voters in the primary, most want to see Edwards on...
...the ticket.

They guy has the nice accent, he looks good, and the more conservative a person says they are, the more they like him (even though he talked about poverty and class and opportunity more than any other candidate).

He'd be perfect for winning FL'ians over.

Now, the important question, however, is should the Dems dump a lot of resources into winning FL? It was a waste of time and money in 2000. If it's close in FL, should they try to win it in 2004, or should they focus on states where the governor isn't Bush's brother?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:42 AM
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7. no, should compete, but not look too much to florida
polls show florida will mostly be based on kerry alone. various vp choices don't make all that much difference in the support gain for kerry in florida. so it would depend on how the campaign was run. in 2002 one of the mistakes was terry mcauliffe put too much into florida to try to beat jeb bush because he wanted to "show them" for what they did in 2000. he would go around talking about how we are going to beat jeb most of the time. if he had used some of those resources to help some of the other candidates a bit more we could have won those such as jeanne shaheen in new hampshire.

and even if we do win florida, as you mention bush's brother jeb is governor and they would try to steal the election some way.

also i don't think kerry's vp decision should be based on winning a specific state itself as much as on what message the decision will send and therefore help the ticket in more than 1 state.
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Kerry Edwards 2004 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 08:52 PM
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11. Edwards
I think John Edwards will help Kerry in Florida because of the energy he brings to the ticket. Kerry & Edwards looked great together when they campaigned in Florida. I actually think Kerry looks younger when he is with Edwards. He sure smiles a lot more. Maybe Edwards energy has a way of rubbing off on Kerry! Having Edwards sure seems to balance the ticket.

Bush can land in swamps all he likes but I think a Kerry/Edwards ticket will win Florida! This President is going down!
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:02 PM
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12. I think Kerry needs someone to help with the youth vote
Edwards would be a good choice, however if the Rethugs keep using fear of terrorism, Clark makes the most sense.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:04 PM
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13. Gore would've won Florida handily--if all the overvotes had been counted.
Some counties counted overvotes--some did not. I believe the judge in charge of the recount in Tallahassee was moving to have these votes counted in all counties when the U. S. Supreme Court halted the recount in its tracks.

Giving the individual election supervisors in Florida the authority to count or not count overvotes is a definite case of a lack of equal representation under the law. Not counting the overvotes in all counties was a travesty.

I think Gore would have won if all the votes cast for him (the intent of the voter was the Florida standard) had been counted--somewhere in the neighborhood of 25,000 votes, as I recall--were not counted.

If Gore can get more votes in Florida than Bush, Kerry can win here handily.

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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:02 AM
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15. I have forgotten
What was an over vote?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 08:24 AM
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16. An overvote in Florida is when you fill in the circle or whatever and also
write in the same person's name. It is ironic that these votes are not counted, as the voter's intent is doubly plain. Throwing out these votes is discrimination against those who are not well informed about the voting process-as well as those who are less well educated. It is a travesty of justice.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:29 AM
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17. Edwards will nott help
Clark won the youth vote, and Edwards will be a liability on the ticket, no military service, even though the 2nd* Cheney did not serve the press won't pay any attention to that, what they will pay attention to is the fact that he is was a malpractice trial lawyer and responsible for all the increased cost of health care, of course we know that is not true, but since when did the press care about what was true. When you think of the veep position think about what a moderate repuke or swing voter or someone who does not want * but has a problem with Kerry. We should be at the point of "winning an election" not shoring up our base, that should be a given. Clark appeals to moderates and brings added strength against the 2 *'s military record in the time of war. Let's remember we are trying to "win an election" When Kerry wins he can then move to the left. Clark appeals to the moderates not because he is repuke lite, but he happens to be a Democrat who allievates the fears of the repuke lite due to his military, diplomacy and national security experience, something that the Dems have been made to look weak on, once again not true but the press does not care about truth, Clark speaks volumes on the issue just by his experience. Go ahead flame away, I don't care anymore, I just want TO WIN the fucking election.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:40 PM
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18. Nobody
As long as the BCE is in charge of Florida, they'll continue to steal elections.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:07 PM
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19. Clark, Clark,Clark, Clark, Clark, Clark, Clark, Clark, etc.,
and Clark.
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