Hillary is only where she is because she is a woman. Right?

[Yes We Did]

I get to say that now, right? I mean if Ferraro said it then it is okay and true.

Obama is where he is because he is black, and Hillary is where she is because she is a woman, just like Ferraro said about herself and her 1984 vp bid.

Right?

I mean, those are the new rules right... It's "true" if a Hillary surrogate says it.

So, there we go.

Hillary is ONLY where she is because she is a woman. And I get to say that without being sexist, because Ferraro said it first.

Thanks.

[Demobrat]

1. McCain is only where he is because he's a rich white guy.

Course W goes without saying.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. I don't care if W goes without saying

just so long as he goes.

[Fresh_Start]

2. probably more because she was first lady

because she wouldn't have gotten the attention just because she was female.

[jakem]

6. i dunno, if she was with Bill in the white house, and was a guy

she would have had plenty of attention!

[Fresh_Start]

10. Gannon didnt' get as much attention as the First Lady did nt

nt

[jakem]

12. that was a bit hushed up though....

i am assuming if s/he were first lad/y

[LSparkle]

14. Abso-damn-lutely! We're free to make this argument now

thanks, Gerry!

[GarbagemanLB]

3. She IS a woman, as far as I know. I take her at her word.

[LisaM]

4. In the context of this campaign, I think that's correct

Clearly, this country, or at least this party, has decided that this is the year we move forward by not electing a white male. It hurt Edwards' campaign, because the media didn't find his story as compelling as Clinton's or Obama's, and because there are plenty of people who have been under-represented since this country began.

I think that's a perfectly fair statement - and I also don't think it's necessarily a sexist comment. Using sexist terminology to demonize Hillary is quite different.

[Pawel K]

5. No, she is only where she is today because she is a woman that was cheated on

does that sound absurd? Does it sound offensive? Sure.

But what the hell? If its okay to play the race card why isn't it okay to play the chris matthews card?

[Yes We Did]

9. I'm just going by Ferraro's example. Her word is law now, right? n/t

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. "She is lucky to be where she is"

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. Inarguably true

[cottonseed]

8. She is where she is because she's a ruthless politician.

[patrice]

11. ?

ONLY?

If Obama is where he is because he is Black, then Hillary is where she is because she is White (or are we to believe that of all of the primary voters and caucus goers thus far, only Black people are prejudiced in their support?

The real question is which group is larger? the Blacks who support Obama only because he is Black? or the Whites who support Hillary only because she is White?

Which of these candidates has more Racist support?

Is it fair to say that since Blacks are a minority in the U.S., Hillary's Racists, being a subset of the majority, are quite likely a larger group?

[Pawel K]

15. You make a good point

I say fuck the high road, from now on all Obama bashers will be called racists. If they can call us sexist for pointing out Hillary's major flaws we can call them racists when they talk bad about Obama, even if what they are saying is true (I know thats rare).

[patrice]

24. I don't recommend that course.

It only creates more of the same and you can't legitimately hold others at fault for something that you are IN FACT stimulating and I want ***very much*** to fix the blame for what is going wrong on my opponent. That's not possible when I engage in the same behavior, no matter how "justified" I think it is.

It's a question of what matters most: the possibility of constructive progress toward solutions that change people's lives? or hostility, revenge, making a show for others, and getting the "last word" (which is impossible BTW).

I prefer to get even by taking every opportunity I can find to operate out "ahead of the curve". I like to make the environment counter, resistant, or at least not receptive, to the fundamental characteristics of my opponent's case. I work to increase negativity on specific points Socratically, without actually mentioning my opponent's name. Since this is not perceived as an attack, people are more open to listening to what I have to say.

Working this way also makes the environment more receptive to MY points, my values, my case, all of those things that my opponent opposes. This is where the REAL victories are.

[Pawel K]

25. Thanks for posting that

it gave me a bit to think about. But I'm just so frustrated with all of this and can't stand that fact that this entire party seems to be sinking. We have the first opportunity in such a long time to not only have control of both the house and senate but also the white house. And it seems like we are again finding a way to screw it up with more of the same. If this thing goes all the way to the convention and if more mud is thrown at Obama this will destroy what so many worked so hard for.

[patrice]

26. I'm pretty deeply scared too! More so than any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I have been "out in the streets" against this war since 2002, so Obama's point about Hillary's bad judgement gave clear words to my very deep aprehensions about her. I have tested what I think about her, given her the benefit of her assets and good points, but the result stays the same. Her judgement, and that of others who voted in favor of the IWR was not just bad, it was fundamentally and permanently the WORST it can be, so I cannot trust Hillary.

But, with Fallon's resignation this week, I know PNAC and all of its auxilliaries are alive and strong. So, I am much, much, much more afraid of John McCain.

If it turns out that Hillary is pResident, she will at least HAVE to deal with us. McCain is just plane berserk; "we" WILL ABSOLUTELY bomb Iran and/or Syria.

I am still an Edwards supporter, but I'm a grownup and a life-long student of human nature, so I have tested my perceptions of Obama too; he and what he is proposing IS more than a "concept". For example, I have several dozen new and some not so new friends and, in response to Dr. Dean's 50 State Strategy, we are forming up and organizing to be a permanent grassroots political action group. We will NEVER go away.

I'm pleased to support Obama now, because Obama is about Us and I want to live up to the promise that is Us. To me, that's more important than anything else.

[jakem]

13. there was also that deal with the Devil....

[SeaLyons]

16. Hillary is where she is

because she is a fighter, and that's what will put her in the White House. And when she gets there, she'll get all that shit cleaned up, deliver universal health care, solve the problems that Bush created, handle foreign policy in a way that keeps us safe, and on and on. Her strength is admirable and that's why I support her. She's where she is because she is awesome!!

Hillary for President!

[stratomagi]

18. Are you sure you just aren't caught up in the concept?

:sarcasm:

[clevbot]

19. Hillary in the whitehouse lol

[Submariner]

20. Hillary is where she is

because her husband was president. Simple name recognition. If her last name was just Rodham, she'd have no record by proxy to fall back on. We should have a woman president, but already cocooned in the Clinton corporate machine.

The last time we did the name recognition thing, we got Dumbya. We don't need any more hand-me-downs.

[Yes We Did]

21. If Hillary gets there we can count on losing the House, Senate and Presidencey

Just like when Bill was in office.

[goletian]

23. because shes bill clinton's woman - nt