Preparing for fascism

[genius]

The GOP are the ones who overthrew the legitimate government of the United States in 2000. Now it appears that to improve Bush's popularity, they allowed 3000 Americans to die on 9/11. Nothing is beyond them.

These guys are not going to give up their power. They will try to pull the plug on our discussion groups and on liberal radio stations. We need to be prepared in case worse comes to worse. We need back-up communications systems. We also need to be prepared for the theft of the election of 2004. They probably already have the fine details planned out.

If Bush wins in 2004, then the Democrats will be in real danger. Bush is already having Americans detained without rights. It won't be long until the liberals and activists are removed from the streets. They will go after the most educated first. We should prepare a method for getting vulnerable people out of the country if all goes bad so we are not caught off guard like the people living in Germany in the late thirties. If this seems like a jump, think of how far America has fallen since 2000. The demise of the country will probably not slow down but rather speed up under Bush's second term.

[NMDemDist2]

1. i read that and moved on and had to come back

and say that is so frightening i didn't want to even think of it. but shit, what if you're right?

oh crap is Canada taking new immigrants?

[jimshoes]

2. I'm inclined to agree with everything

you've said. I think a backup system for communicating with other like minded folks in case of disruptions of the net and radio is a good idea. Any ideas?

[Kanary]

3. 'scuse me, genius

But bushwa and co. are making clear plans to get rid of the poor folks, like me.

I've mentioned it many times, but.... to not much avail.

So, why is it so much more important to get "activists" out of the country than it is poor folk?

Do we somehow count for less?

Kanary

[genius]

4. Check out 1984. It contains Bush's complete plan. I'm serious

The poor cannot effect change. All revolutions have come from the middle classes or the upper classes.

Bush loves the poor. He wants to make more of them. He's not going to help them but he wants a lot of them.

[Kanary]

6. Is that why he's making more cuts????

Thanks for dismissing me so easily.

[Laughing Mirror]

5. Of course we count for less, we count for nothing in fact

We are constantly ignored and despised, as you know. We have practically no voice. There is no seat for us at the table because we are the ones serving that table. Few of us are able to educate ourselves enough even to be taken seriously by the great middle class.

But they will. As more and more of them lose their jobs and their houses and join our ranks, will we reach out to them. Will we treat them better than their masters, the ruling class have?

Guess we'll have to stick around and find out.

[Kanary]

7. I'm with you completely

When the middle finds itself in our shoes, (or lack thereof) things will look different to them.

Sometimes I think that's what has to happen.

Kanary

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

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[ibegurpard]

9. Is that so?

"Dear Genius,
I am a representative of the GOP, a GOP team leader actually, and I was quite offended with this post. The GOP did not cause 9-11. You know it was caused by evil terroristic societies who are opposed to the freedom this country and YOU have.
Another thing, genius, the GOP has NOT been trying to overthrow the country. We are trying to improve the conditions of the United States by helping to supported this wonderful government. Don't be intimidated by such a strong organization as we.
No offense "Genius", but if you are genius, maybe you should help your party become as organized at the Republican Party."

Well, you could start by making sure that school at which you were educated makes improvements in how it teaches grammar. I won't even BEGIN to get into critical thinking skills.

Of course, my post is null and void if this was an attempt by someone at Bob Boudelang-style satire but you jest never know.

[genius]

15. There are GOP team leaders in the Democratic Underground?

Was this a quote from the deleted message? If so, is it one of the regular posters? I have noticed that in the DU presidential polls, people always vote for Bush. So I'm not surprised. I just wasn't expecting anyone to admit it.

[Hippo_Tron]

16. Freepers are not GOP team leaders...

Because most of them don't have the braincells for that.

[ibegurpard]

19. Yes, it was a quote from the message

And, no, it was not a long-time poster. This was their first post.

[DoNotRefill]

10. What can you do?

buy a decent gun and plenty of ammo, and learn how to use it.

If it ever gets to the point that they start kicking in our doors to drag us off to the camps, we have a choice. We can go peacefully to our extermination, or we can fight back, and maybe take some of the bastards with us. If enough people fight back, they're going to have trouble finding enough bastards to keep kicking in our doors.

If you're going to die either way, you must make a choice. Will you cooperate with the people who are going to kill you, or will you kill some of them to stop them from killing others like you? You can only die once, after all.

[ngGale]

11. Four more years of Bush & Company is all we need to...

finish their plan. I for once in my life want to leave this country, if Bush wins. I'm not alone in that fact, but restrictions and money are a factor. Canada has rules already listed for entry into their country. They are harder this time than last, for soldiers anyway. I've seen corruption, but never on this level. People seem to overlook Cheney has been in China getting cozy. South Korea is trying to impeach their leader. Australia is getting threats, Denmark is on the hook because of WMD lies. This seems like an Orwell novel, but it's true. At the very least, with Bush, we will be in continual war for at least 40 years. They have already said 10 to 40 years because of 'terrorism.' Bush is my terror and lots of others. We have to vote him out in order to regroup. Or at least try and hold them off.

[strategery blunder]

12. Time to get me a can of gasoline

I shall follow in the example of the Buddhist monks in Saigon protesting Diem if it comes to this...
:scared::scared::scared:

[DoNotRefill]

18. Self-immolation is sure to stop tyrrany....

:eyes:

[deutsey]

13. I knew after Florida 2000 that we were in trouble

Tens of thousands of our fellow Americans were deprived of their right to vote and, aside from a handful of us who tried to make an issue of it, the mainstream media and Democrats/Republicans did jack shit about it.

I wrote this a few months before 9/11 and am always a bit shaken by how prescient it is:

SNIP
Where does mere coincidence end and meaningful patterns begin? Even if the events in Florida listed here
(along with the more detailed reports being filed by investigative journalists) are removed from the context
of covert actions, it is easy to conclude that something profoundly disturbing happened in the previous election.

Reviewing the increasing amount of evidence demonstrating just how dirty the 2000 election was, however, is it so unreasonable to think that those interests whose hands remain sullied from Florida would have sunk one notch lower into the murky depths of covert operations? What are the limits when the objective is to grab power at any cost?

And what will those who seized that power do next time in order to hold on to it?

http://www.bartcop.com/coupsp.htm

[Justpat]

14. I agree with everything

you said. We need to figure out a way to communicate with
one another if liberal internet discussion groups are deemed
unacceptable by the Bush gang.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

17. Friendly Fascism.

Id like to say that fascism comes to a country in its own particular way, unique to that country.

We shouldnt expect a type of facism like in the early 20th century.

Fascism in the USA will probably be more like that described in Bertrand Gross' book "Friendly Facism", which means it will be repressive, but in a much more sophisticated way.

Given the US traditions of civil libertiies (more or less) and rule of law, we will first exeperience not a complete shutdown of free speech. Alot of this will depend on the judicial system supporting what the conservatives want to do.

But I could see places like DU to go on, but things like protests being banned, or the police being permitted to be more heavy-handed.

The goal of Friendly Fascism would be to suppress dissent, but more via "apathetics''..the art and science of fostering an apathetic, non-involved public.. The form and mechanims of republican government would be maintained, just made to seem irrelevenat, thus people wouldnt bother to participate.

And if they chose dissent there would be increasing degrees of negative consequences.