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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:08 PM
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Ferraro's comments were racist and if you're defending them, you're saying racist comments are OK.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:10 PM by ProSense
Ferraro: If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.

(Obama is so bad that as a white man he wouldn't be getting a pass)

Ferraro: And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.

(Obama is so bad that as a woman he wouldn't be getting a pass)

Ferraro: He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

(Obama is getting a pass because he is a black man---in fact, he's lucky---and the country is just excited by a black man becoming president, not Obama's abilities.)

Her comments were racist.

Defending them is disgusting and suggests that you think making them is okay.

Posted here


edited typo

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:09 PM
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1. Every bit as racist as Reagan's old "reverse discrimination" crap.
Or BS about "welfare queens." Ferraro has gone mad.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:19 PM
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19. this is on the americablog.com and its from February 27
Ferraro did it AGAIN two weeks ago
by John Aravosis (DC) 3/11/2008 10:02:00 PM ET Link

Markos found a Geraldine Ferraro interview from February 27, 2008, on FOX News' John Gibson's radio show, where she said pretty much the exact same thing she said this week about Obama and race. The thing is, it's nearly verbatim the same thing. These are talking points that she rehearsed, and/or was given. The question is by whom?

FERRARO: If Barack Obama were a white man, would we be talking about this as a potential real problem for Hillary? If he were a woman...

GIBSON: You mean if he were John Edwards?

FERRARO: If he were a woman of any color, would he be in this position that he's in, absolutely not.

GIBSON: Geraldine, are you playing the race card?

FERRARO: No, and that's the problem. Every time you say the truth - I'm the first person, John, and you know how honest I am, I am the first person who will say in 1984 if my name were Gerard instead of Geraldine, I would never have been picked as the vice
presidential candidate.

Then look at what she said earlier this week:

If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.

Now look at what she said earlier today:

"If in 1984 my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would never have been the nominee for VP."

In politics, those cute little zingers tend to be things you practice in advance. They're intentional, they're talking points. Ferraro planned this entire line of attack over 2 weeks ago. The question is whether Hillary's campaign planned it for her, with her.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:51 PM
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75. This isn't at all like Reagan's pandering to racists.
She's stating an opinion; she never mentioned "reverse discrimination" or used key phrases that would label her a racist.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:10 PM
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2. K&R
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:11 PM
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3. Your premise is wrong. Therefore I can defend her comments and I am not a racist. bye
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 PM
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7. My premise? That's her statement! If you are defending them, you are accepting racist comments
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 PM by ProSense
Period!

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:16 PM
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17. Read this and tell me you're not a racist.
Your boss calls you into their office and tells you that the only reason you are where you are in the company is because you are black, and no other factor is taken into account.

This is what Geraldine said about Obama on a national stage.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:20 PM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:18 AM
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56. You are mocking my screen name. That is wrong!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:21 PM
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22. premise? Rodeodance, you are wearing blinders. check this out:
1988:

A Ferraro flashback


"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.

Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.

Here's the full context:

Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

Asked about this at a campaign stop in Buffalo, Jackson at first seemed ready to pounce fiercely on his critics. But then he stopped, took a breath, and said quietly, "Millions of Americans have a point of view different from" Ferraro's.

Discussing the same point in Washington, Jackson said, "We campaigned across the South . . . without a single catcall or boo. It was not until we got North to New York that we began to hear this from Koch, President Reagan and then Mrs. Ferraro . . . . Some people are making hysteria while I'm making history."


She is a long time bigot apparently. How disappointing. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_f... )
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:11 PM
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4. a lot of racists outted themselves tonight..
amazing
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 PM
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9. And why they're still allowed to post here amazes me.
It's clear they're trolls.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:14 PM
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11. Trust me, they've been out for a while.
This night is just removing all doubt.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:36 PM
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31. Yep. The Amazing Racists. We won't forget. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:12 PM
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5. Yes, they were intentionally racist because she made the same slurs against Jesse Jackson.
Not an accident of speech.

She is a racist.

And the Clintons campaign is chronic now in its racist rhetoric since Iowa.

It's a clear pattern.

It makes me sick.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:09 AM
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49. Whatta ya expect? Just another ditzy chick from Hymietown.
Name a white preacher with no college degree who was taken seriously as a presidential candidate.

She probably IS a bit of a racist, but that doesn't mean she's totally incorrect.

Not that it excuses it, but is she any more racist than he is?

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:13 AM
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51. Go ahead and defend racism within the Democratic Party, PurityOfEssence.
You seem very comfortable doing it. Why is that?

By the way, I searched the archives and can't find where you opposed the war in Iraq.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:10 AM
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53. unconscionable slander
I'm not defending racism, David; somehow you feel the god-given right to casually tar anyone who disagrees with you with the most ugly of accusations. Presumably, when making omelettes, you open eggs with a pile-driver.

You didn't search the archives THOROUGHLY, did you? Did you read all 9900 of my posts?

You're the one accusing me of supporting the war, since you searched the archives with such a bird-dog need to villify me to the rafters, why you don't present any of those? There are none.

There are many of me opposing it, and none of me weighing in doing anything BUT opposing it. I can't access the archives at the moment; it says that this is temporarily not available. Perhaps that's from not having donated recently, but I don't know; I've never even tried.

To all the rest of the casual observers here, I've been a very active member here since the summer of '01, and was ALWAYS against the resolution and the war itself. I was also vocal in dispelling people of the belief that Junior wouldn't actually attack.

HOW THOROUGHLY DID YOU SEARCH THE ARCHIVES, DAVID? YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO CONVICT ME IN THE COMMUNITY'S EYES WITH THIS SLANDER. Did you find ANY comments of mine on the war?

Present your evidence.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:56 AM
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54. To quote your icon, Hillary: "I take you at your word...as far as I know."
How can you justify Ferraro using the very same slur against Obama that she used against Jackson?

By the way, Jackson apologized for his most shitty comment, Ferraro never apologized to him.

Tonight, Ferraro took it even further saying that she's being "attacked because I am white."

It is apparent that the Clintons who can not win are going to try to bolster their numbers before the convention by scaring whites about blacks. From the Governor of Pennsylvania and the Attorney General of New York to Bill Clinton himself and the Governor of New Hampshire (all supporters of Hillary) blatant racist comments seem to be uttered now with such ease that it is sickening to think that this would be happening within the Democratic Party.

Even John McCain would not allow this sort of shit to go on against Obama. He recently proved it calling out the rightwing radio shock jock who kept saying "Hussein" over and over.

I'm sorry that you are still sore about Edwards losing and your new gamble with Hillary is not paying off either.

In any event, I went from liking the Clintons to realizing I never knew them.

The wedge that the Clintons have caused can not be repaired. They went where they should have never gone.

Speaker Pelosi has now spoken out against the Clintons and that was before Ferraro's planned comments.

I'm with the anti-war side of the party. You supported Edwards in 2004 who supported the war. And you opposed Howard Dean who opposed the war. Here we are in 2008 and you are against Obama who opposed the war and with Hillary who supported the war. That's some way to show your opposition to the invasion of Iraq.

That said, if you really, really say you opposed the war, then as Hillary said, "I take you at your word...as far as I know." Remember that? When she was asked if she thought he was a Muslim? And I'll let you take my sincerity as equally as you apparently take hers.

You don't like Obama. I got your message. We disagree. I can live with that and I don't follow you around the DU posting as you do me.

This will all be over soon. Sadly, I am pretty sure the Clintons are going to make it even worse than it has been.

Let's see how long it takes before another prominent Hillary supporter reminds (oops) Americans that Obama is partly black. A day? Two days? A week?

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:12 PM
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61. I am not, to repeat it again, a supporter of Hillary Clinton
If the binary mindset can't accept this, it should simply look the other way instead of repeatedly screaming to make observed reality fit preconceptions.

I'm harder on Obama at the moment because I see extreme dangers in the approach taken by his supporters and I see him is somewhat less ethical than her. That's it. The fact that she seems a bit more appealing of late is damning testimony to what I see as Obama's and his camp's tactics.

I am not "with Hillary", so dig up some ammunition to support this simplistic calumny or stop slagging me with this mud. I haven't even voted in one of these polls in a way that can be construed as "supporting Clinton". My basic thrust here is to try and bring some fairplay and perspective into this ugly little squabble.

The baiting on the issue of Ferraro is tiresome. I've already said that she's obviously got a streak of racism to her, but that doesn't much matter these days; one is obviously a Klansman unless one denies any whiff of truth to anything she's said. The true prejudice is the demand that EVERYTHING be black and white. One hothead even threw down the gauntlet to say that anyone saying that somebody got a job because of race is racist; I stand corrected: Clarence Thomas was chosen purely on merit.

Jesse Jackson was the least qualified candidate in the '84 election: he was a minister without a college degree. Can you think of any other candidate for awhile who's been less qualified by those traditional standards?

Obama, beloved by many though he is, is mid-way through his first term in the Senate and has an undistinguished career there and as a state legislator. His career trajectory has a little something to do with the color of his skin; that doesn't dismiss his good qualities, but it's a component of his success. The same goes for Hillary Clinton on the gender issue. The same went for Geraldine Ferraro, as she was careful to point out. Edwards took a lot of hits for being a pretty southern white boy upstart who didn't deserve to be in the race, and to a certain degree it's fair; he only had a little more Senate experience and none as a state legislator. Had he been a balding toad with the same C.V., he'd never have gotten that far. Clark got a lot of hits for being a johnny-come-lately, too, so this is nothing new. Race, gender and religion are the third rails of politics in this country, and it's because we've cynically swept them under the collective carpet.

Ferraro is out of line, and her feisty comeback about it being because she's white was stupid and quite telling. It shows a tinge of racism. Does that make her Satan? Jesse Jackson called New York City "Hymietown" and got a lot of flak for it, but he was also defended. He's got a touch of prejudice, too. So does Louis Farrakhan. So does Spike Lee. Perhaps we should all read those emails Ferraro got, but that's no excuse for what she said, it's just a bit of an explanation.

Stop calling me a Hillary supporters; her true supporters will be happy to set you straight on that count. Call me an Obama critic, because that's what I am, but please stop letting your anger entitle you to any version of character assassination you please. Once again, for the enth time, you claim the right to the vengeance of the wronged, and it's filthy.

Since you still greasily intimate that I'm lying about having been against the war, please present ANY proof.

I know it fits handily with your need to ridicule and marginalize anyone who takes you to task for your goadings, but I'm not embittered and vengeful by Edwards being derailed again. I'm a bit demoralized for the party given the chances I see for either of the two survivors, but I accept it. If you have to dance a dance of sarcasm and belittlement to silence any dissent, then you're no better than that other asshole poster who started a thread to advocate hectoring and embarrassing Hillary Clinton about Monica Lewinsky. At least you wouldn't do THAT.

Stop claiming or intimating that I've EVER supported this war in any way, before or during, or present your proof. I didn't like Dean because he was the most conservative guy on the stage, yet he claimed to represent the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party". When he misrepresented Kerry and Edwards as having voted for Bush's tax cuts, that was the last straw for me. His cagy and far-from-conclusive claims about opposing the IWR came up just seemed plain unscrupulous, even if he WAS emphatic about being against the war by that point. Since being the Party Chair, I think he's done a great job (except for the backtracking on FL and MI) and I've said so repeatedly while being frank about my past differences.

You use smears and distortions to shout down opinions you don't like, and it's not neighborly. Please prove your contentions or retract them.



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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:19 PM
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64. There you go again.
I simply wrote: "I searched the archives and can't find where you opposed the war in Iraq." You emotionally morphed that in the next two posts that I was searching for posts where you "supported the war". I didn't look for you supporting the war, I looked for your oppostion. I couldn't find it, but, again, I take you at your word.

Of course, there is a big difference between being silent in one's opposition to the war and being vocal in support of it. I was trying to take you at your word that you had opposed the war. I did look and couldn't find where you had opposed the war prior to the war in 2003.

However, if you read what I wrote...

I then generously said that I took you at your word that you had opposed the war. I did not tell you to provide me "evidence", but I said I'd take you at your word. What part of that did you not understand?

I imagine there will yet be another response filled with personally offensive adjectives from you against me ("greasily" was a new one from you). And if you do, I will ignore it not matter how much you try to bait me. It's obvious to me that you don't like me. I don't have a problem with that. I had hoped we could have some beers again together. But I guess that is not to be. What's funny, is that I like you. I don't agree with your comparison between Obama and Hillary where you write "I see him is somewhat less ethical than her." But, that's your opinion. I can live with it.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:12 PM
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6. the thing that bothers me is.....
that I don't believe that either Clinton or Ferraro are racists.

And to me, it is even more evil for someone who is not a racist to use race politically.

At least a real racist is ignorant, but these people are just cynical manipulators.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 PM
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13. They are racists. please read this
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:16 PM
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18. That's exactly right! On edit:
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:17 PM by ProSense
I think your comment applies more to Hillary than Ferraro, who I believe has some issues.

Still, on Hillary's part, it's despicable!

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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
72. Someone who uses racism for political gain
is inherently racist.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 PM
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8. I don't think it's necessary to go far, her comments were way out of line
Yet we can't even manage to convince some Clinton supporters of that.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 PM
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10. If I defend your comments am I saying stupid comments are OK?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 PM
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15. Are you defending her comment? Don't try to hide behind an asinine response. n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:19 PM
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20. I defend your comments.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:14 PM
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12. Yup and I'm keeping a list of the DU racists
:kick:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Damn, are you sure you've got enough space on your hard drive?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #12
41. .
:patriot:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:37 PM
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59. Might some of them not be just so blinded by partisanship, that they're
just reflexively defending something that they'll later realize was astonishingly awful?

How tightly I cling to hope...
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 PM
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16. Exactly. I would think one thing we can all agree on here is that racism can't be encouraged
I won't tolerate such vile views by Hillary's campaign.

Dean should come out tomorrow and bring down hell on Hillary and her campaign.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:22 PM
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23. Oh man. No wonder we got buried in '80.
Or was it '84. Anyway she's a troll.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:24 PM
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24. get real...she said if Obama gets the nom he is going to need her and others to suppoprt him and....
that she gladly would do that for him too.....but the Obama team crying "racism" and attacking anyone who doesn't support him in the Primaries is not making that an easy thing to do.

and I agree
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:26 PM
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25. Did she help him raise his $55 million in February? She can take her racist threat and shove it!
Fuck Ferraro!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:34 PM
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27. she supports Clinton in the Primary and it's her right to .....your hate will eat you
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:35 PM
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29. She has no right to make threats and racist accusations. You are a hypocrite! n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. you need to call your doctor
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:43 PM
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35. Moronic! n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:25 PM
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43. Dr. Dean?
He's on my list for first thing tomorrow.

Item #1: tell Hillary that racism ain't cool. :thumbsup:
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Sure thing. Done.
It sure will be interesting to see how long HillaryClinton.com keeps this video posted on youtube from this day forward.

Geraldine Ferraro Ad endorsed by Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKLPOSYNHLA&NR=1
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:12 AM
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50. thanks I will spread it to my video geniuses I know in LA and San Francisco.
If Hillary would have fired her, then this wouldn't be necessary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:26 AM
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46. Definitely! n/t
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
36. Oh, please. She said a lot more than that, and you know it.
Take your blinders off.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
73. It sounded to me like a threat -- n/t
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:26 PM
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26. I know this one does raise tempretures but we gain more by ignoreing it than keep going over it.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:29 PM by cooolandrew
Barack has a strategy and unity is the winning formula let us try to overcome this issue and take on the next kitchen sink. We know HRC is a hypocrite and we know now that she will rule like bush we can highlight that factor over anything else.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:35 PM
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28. Nah, they're just saying racism is okay as a tactic for Hillary to win.
So she can fight the evil racist Republicans.

Or something like that.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:36 PM
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30. Or it's a bit of both
not sure exactly I just know it's twisted and WRONG.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Well, yeah.
But try telling them that.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:41 PM
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34. Elizabeth Edwards said "we can't make John black or a women"...omg Elizabeth is a racist!!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:51 PM
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37. Yes, that was racist. So what's your point?
Other people say racist things, so Ferraro can say racist things, too?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:58 PM
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39. if you think what either Elizabeth or Ferraro said is racist then you have the dirty mind
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:00 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:32 PM
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67. Is that your final answer?
Sorry, wrong. They know exactly what they are doing. Ferraro is right on message. They are trying to remind racists and bigots that Obama is a no talent negro that is taking their kids place in college. It's about affirmative action. It's about reverse discrimination. It's about the job they didn't get because it went to the lesser qualified negro.

It is absolutely intentional and lower than a snake's ass. Associating yourself with this tactic, or worse, defending it is very unfortunate for you. You will certainly lose respect around here and elsewhere for promoting, defending or even enabling it.

It's unfortunate.
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GrandmaJones7 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:58 PM
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38. OP = Answer please
Well ProSense, if what you are saying is true, then answer us this: WHY would Hillary keep Ferraro on her staff? Surely you can't be saying that BOTH Ferarro and Hillary are racist? Seriously - what is up with your comment??!?

GJ
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:08 PM
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40. Maybe you should read the OP again,
the two line above "Posted here."

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:42 AM
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47. This is strategic.
to save face for the impending loss in MS, and dismiss Obama's victory as a result of support from black voters. Bill's dismissive comments came on the eve of their SC loss, as well.

She came into Iowa with 60% of the black vote, and chose to throw them under the bus so she could put Obama in a box. The ends justify the means, as long as she can paint doubt in enough of the public's mind that a black man could become president (and play to voters' prejudices).

So maybe they're not hood-wearing, cross-burning racists, but the effect is the same.

If I say I won't vote Obama because people won't vote for a black president, I've distanced myself from the racism accusation, but I'm still not voting for someone because of his color. There may be a hundred other reasons not to support him, and Ferraro just gave people one more - and opened the door on race in her comment. Mission accomplished, and that's why she's still on staff.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:24 PM
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42. Uh...look up the definition of racist.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:27 PM
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44. Here:
racism /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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canadian_is_cold Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:46 AM
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48. If someone on Obama's campaign called Hillary a contender only because she's a woman.....
there would be cries of outrage, she would DEMAND they were removed, she would lose it. Look at how she reacted to someone calling her a 'monster'

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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:14 AM
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52. Blacks have it so easy in politics...
that there are... uh, is, one in the senate. And there's one Asian, three Hispanics, and 95 whites.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:34 PM
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58. Yeah, some thing Ferraro's racist comment was good for a laugh.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:34 PM by ProSense
Clueless!

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:14 AM
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55. K & R
:thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:54 PM
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57. Obama's response


Keith Olbermann's


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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:44 PM
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60. I am shocked at the number of DUers defending such blatant racism.
Ferraro's comments are disgusting.
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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:17 PM
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62. It's not because he's black. It's because he's not white.
Hillary never stood a chance against the populist, "anti-status-quo" white dude. MSM got that memo and characterized the race early on as woman vs. black man, completely ignoring the better candidate.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:17 PM
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63. TPMtv: Send in The Clown
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 03:17 PM by ProSense

TPMtv: Send in The Clown

Gerry Ferraro is catching a lot of flak these days. But here at TPM we want to thank her. It's been an exhausting primary season. And we've needed some comic relief in a big way. Saying Barack Obama was lucky to be black may only have been one more 'unfortunate' statement in a string of beauts this election cycle. But going on every show currently on the air to express her outrage at the response to her comments has simply been comedy gold. Check out some of the best moments in today's episode of TPMtv ...

Video





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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:24 PM
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65. Personally, I don't feel her comments were racist.
So there.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:05 PM
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70. when RWers raised the specter of "reverse discrimination"
saying such things as "he/she wouldn't have gotten in that college if he/she weren't black" or "he/she wouldn't have gotten that job if he/she wasn't black" did you defend them?

Just asking
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:11 PM
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66. Recent primaries and the thing about Geraldine Ferraro

Recent primaries and the thing about Geraldine Ferraro

In the last few days Mississippi and Wyoming held primaries, both won by Barack Obama. Final results from previous states are coming in, to see the latest delegate count I like MSNBCs site.

I mentioned last week that I was experiencing some election fatigue. Its now transformed into election exhaustion. Not from the too many hours of watching cable news, or trying to think of super Tuesdays and delegates, or trying to avoid John McCain at all costs. Those hassles arent helping, but theyre not the worst. The worst is watching the push/pull of racism and sexism. This isnt the oppression Olympics anymore. Its turned into a war. A war no one can win.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color), he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Uh, Senator Obama, wanna take care of this one for me?

Obama said that being an "African American man named Barack Obama" was not the quickest path to becoming U.S. president.

"Anybody who knows the history of this country I think would not take too seriously the notion that this has been a huge advantage, but I don't think it's disadvantaged either," Obama said.

Ferraros response to the backlash? She was just stating the truth.

"In all honesty, do you think that if he were a white male, there would be a reason for the black community to get excited for a historic first?" Ferraro said. "Am I pointing out something that doesn't exist?"

Uh, Obama is not only getting votes from black people. And Clinton isnt only getting votes from women. So again, we get back to this bullshit that Obama and Clinton are nothing but historic candidates, and everyone is picking a side based on, what? Which is more historic? Both campaigns, and every voter should be outraged by this line of thinking. Presumably black women will have to get together in pairs and split votes for either candidate.

And then, of course, theres her comment, "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

Its hard to express the many thoughts and feelings elicited from this comment. Wait, no it isnt.

Fuck you, Geraldine Ferraro.





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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:48 PM
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68. willful ignorance
its not surprising that she is wrapping herself in the mantle of martyrdom and falling on the sword of her own making instead of acknowledging the errors of her statement. Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite:

I think of all the ways this comment is offensive and Im having a hard time choosing between staggering ignorance of U.S. history and current culture and the insightful Catholic theological category for human sin, willful ignorance. I lean toward the sin concept, because I believe this is a sinful statement on a number of key levels. But Im not going to ignore historical and cultural ignorance either, as I believe it is the way forward for the country beyond the Ferraros and their monovision.

The New York Times has reported the Justice Department statistic that an estimated 12 percent of African-American men ages 20-34 are in jail or prisonThe proportion of young black men who are incarcerated has been rising in recent years, and this is the highest rate every measured. Just for comparison, note that 1.6 percent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated.

So, lets see, to follow Ms.Ferraros logic, the other 88% of African American men are being promoted to high public office? Facts dictate otherwise. There are more African American men now in prison than in college and the employment rate for African American men has dropped to just over 50%. Its nigh on to impossible to get a job in this economy anyway, let alone when you have a prison record. Incarceration rates, unemployment and poverty are linked.

The reason I believe this statement by Ms. Ferraro is an example of the sin of willful ignorance is that a person would have to will themselves to actively exclude evidence fully available in every paper, blog, and 24-hour newscycle to come to the conclusion that its a lucky break for Senator Obama that he was not born a white man.

more



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:57 PM
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69. Getting a sense that Hillary's campaign just pissed off a lot of women
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:44 PM
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71. Blatantly and shockingly racist ...
not even the slightest effort at any subtlety for the sake of plausible deniability. I'm stupefied!
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:50 PM
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74. Bullshit. Try again. Here is a better, more logical interpretation of her words.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 06:51 PM by Tennessee Gal
Ferraro: If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.

(Obama is not experience enough to be running for the nomination at this point in his career)

Ferraro: And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.

(Obama is not experienced enough to be running for the nomination at this point in his career and no woman of any color would have been allowed to get to this point)

Ferraro: He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

(Obama is getting a pass because he is a black man---in fact, he's lucky---and the country is just excited by a black man becoming president, no matter that his career is just getting started)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:56 PM
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76. "Obama is getting a pass because he is a black man..." Like I said, racist! n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 06:57 PM by ProSense
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:58 PM
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77. Please tell us what person with as little experience as Obama has
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 06:58 PM by Tennessee Gal
won the Democratic nomination. Name one.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:59 PM
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79. Bill Clinton had less! You're trying to condone a racist statement with your BS! n/t
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:59 PM
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78. flamebait /nt
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:31 PM
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80. Ferraro's comments are validated by government and media statistics....
...that accumulate demographics on race, sex, age, employment, religion, and so much more, and....

....before, during, and after every election those demographic results based on exit polls are announced.

It is perfectly valid to make conclusions or opinions like blacks or women voting for one candidate or another based on race or sex.

Neither conclusion or opinion is racist or sexist.
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