Where Will You Be The Day Our Democracy Dies?

[Yes We Did]

The day the Supreme Court installed George W. Bush as the President of The United States, you could say that was the day American Democracy had a heart attack.

The day George W. Bush was "reelected" by stealing the election Ohio in 2004, you could say American Democracy had a triple bypass.

With the state of the democratic primaries what it is now, I have to ask, is American Democracy now on it's death bed?

Barack Obama has thus far won the popular vote, won the most delegates, and won the most states. It is mathematically improbable for Hillary Clinton to catch him at this point.

And yet, this question was posed to the Hillary campaign numerous times over the last week. "If these numbers hold up, and Obama lead in popular vote, pledged delegates, and states won, will you accept Barack Obama as the Democratic Presidential Nominee?

And the answer: A resounding NO!

The Clinton campaign responded by saying it is a "process" and that the pledged delegates aren't really pledged delegates after all, and that they can really choose who they want, regardless of what the voters say.

Clinton's surrogates said they can try to "convince" the super delegates to ignore the voters. They said it doesn't matter if Obama has the numbers, as long as they win all the big states.

You saw this on Bill Maher on Friday and Meet the Press on Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

Are they trying to tell us that Obama won't be able to carry states like New York, California, Michigan, New Jersey, and Florida? That is simply preposterous.

I sit here both amazed and repulsed. And I ask you all, how can this be happening? Moreover, how can this be happening in OUR party? I though we were supposed to be the "good guys." I thought we were above "cheating."

I thought it was a pretty simple process.

You get most of the popular votes, most of the delegates and most of the states; you win. The supers fall in line with the American citizens to give the candidate the 2025, and that's it.

How can a candidate accomplish all this and NOT be the nominee? What country are we living in? How do you win by losing? Who the hell does Hillary think she is? I am so disgusted right now, and at the same time terrified that she is going to be able to pull this off.

I guess I am just naive, right?

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
What happens when you get fooled a third time?

So I ask you all, where will you be the day Democracy dies?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. US Democracy died on December 12, 2000

and people are still in denial today

[rainy]

2. Don't you mean "Where were you?" nt

[Yes We Did]

6. Well, I say it isn't dead yet, an since it's my post... Just pretend. Okay.

[Swamp Rat]

11. REMEMBER DECEMBER 12, 2000!!!

[Hieronymus]

17. The only way Hillary has any hope is through the politics of destruction...

and she got herself a bunch of goons early on in anticipation.

[greyghost]

13. Remember, the US has never been a...

Democracy it is a representive Republic.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

3. Don't you know who your masters are?

[kimmerspixelated]

4. Excellent post!

Kicked!

But I must say that really, when the Presidency was stolen from Al Gore, it indeed was a moment that some might consider the point at which a breathing machine was hooked up. In retrospect, perhaps Nov. 23rd, 1963 was the day it really died. We've all just been hoping not to believe it.

[Yurovsky]

5. HRC will have a riot on her hands in Denver ...

if her and her band of corporate thugs try to steal this nomination away from the VOTERS.

Chicago 1968 will look like a Care Bears reunion concert compared to what Denver will resemble if they pull this shit. Seattle 1999? Don't make me laugh. This will be on an epic scale if the DLC prevails.

[DemVet]

8. Steal? It's not stealing, it's playing politics...by the rules, completely legal.

[greyghost]

14. EXACTLY

[Yes We Did]

27. Yes, of course, because elections are too important to leave up to voters.

[Yurovsky]

32. The landed gentry don't want the serfs picking the Queen ...

and they are making it clear that they will do whatever it takes to suppress the will of the masses.

Ain't it great???

:sarcasm:

[DemVet]

7. Actually, Hillary can still beat Obama fair and square.

If Barack doesn't have 2025 delegates by the convention, the superdelegates come into play, which just may push Hillary over the top.

The popular vote doesn't matter, states won doesn't matter, just nothing matters is the number of delegates AT THAT POINT. Not the number now, not who led with the most delegates for the longest time, but who has the most delegates THEN.

Don't like it? Those are the rules, just as those who wish to disenfranchise the Democratic voters in MI and FL.

And our democracy will be fine.

[Yes We Did]

9. When you start talking about getting PLEDGED delegates to switch

and ignore the voters, that is unethical. That is NOT democratic. That is characteristic of Neo-Cons.

[DemVet]

10. Actually, I believe that after the first vote on the convention floor...

...delegates can vote for whoever they want. Obama may have an edge then. Then again, maybe not.

Anyway, those are the rules....completely legal.

[Yes We Did]

12. Funny, I always thought the voters were supposed to pick. Silly Me.

[greyghost]

16. The American PSS doesn't teach Civics any

more. The US is a Republic, it is not and never has been a Democracy.

[Yes We Did]

28. So why vote? Why are you here then? If it doesn't matter... They why bother.

[greyghost]

33. That's the system. Nothing will ever change until it is.

[damonm]

22. That is correct.

[roguevalley]

15. if anyone feels they can vote against the local vote, they will find

it very hard to come home and live comfortably. anyone who overturns the vote is a bastard.

[greyghost]

19. Wrong. They are there for that very reason, it's the only reason

that the SD's exist.

[roguevalley]

24. super delegates exist as a reaction against the mondale candidacy.

they are as undemocratic as it gets. even that aside, if you think the rank and file will tolerate anything but the winner to win, you forget about a lot of other times when hell broke out over this kind of crap. Now, after getting this close to ridding ourselves of idiots and repugs, will be no different.

[greyghost]

26. Actually the SD's date back to McGovern. The idea that it's a

democratic process is a popular misconception. The system reflects the US process, representative Republic.

If they feel Hillary can win the GE she will be picked, same for Obama.
Winning the GE is all that matters.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. where the hell have you been?

it died in December of 2000

[Yes We Did]

23. Did you bother to read the post? Or just put up a snarky response...

after reading the tite...

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[ananda]

20. AFAIC, it's been dead since..

.. Florida 2000.

[Yes We Did]

29. If you believe that, then why are you here.... Waiting...

[cbayer]

21. Though a thoughtful and well written OP,

there are many who disagree with your premise.

There is a clear division in the party and both sides make a case for their side being right. That's politics.

And the overwhelming majority of democrats will vote for the eventual nominee, whoever that happens to be.

[superkia]

25. 1913 When the elite bankers gave us the federal reserve. NT

[JimGinPA]

30. I'll Have A Real Problem With The Party If The Clintons Are Allowed To Nomination Too

K&R

[11 Bravo]

31. I'll be singing, "bye, bye, Miss American Pie" ...

and chuckling sardonically at the chowder heads who believe that a nation which survived the War of 1812, a Civil War, four presidential assassinations, and Richard Nixon, is going to somehow go tits up over a Democratic primary.