Vic DiMaio's "blood is boiling". He is suing Dean, and will get injunction to stop do-over.

[madfloridian]

He really needs to calm down a little. His lawsuit was dimissed by a Tampa court, but will be heard on March 17 in an Atlanta appellate court. He wants to take it all the way to the Supreme Court. He wants his lawsuit to determine the election.

"We have been impatiently waiting for the Appeals Court to grant us this hearing considering the fact that time is running out if we have to appeal our case to the United States Supreme Court if the Florida Delegation is still shut out of the convention in August at the same time the Supreme Court takes its annual recess" according to Mr. DiMaio.

But there is more. He has said he will file an injunction to stop any revote in Florida.

Primary Scramble

By Associated Press
A Florida man who sued national Democrats over the loss of Florida's delegates to the national convention this summer says he'll fight to block any kind of do-over primary in Florida.

Victor DiMaio says his blood is boiling over the Democratic National Committee's decision to strip Florida of all its delegates because the state moved up its primary date against party rules.

He filed a federal lawsuit against the DNC last year. Now that suit will advance to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals on March 17th.

DiMaio calls it a travesty if the votes of Democrats in the January 29th presidential primary don't count.

There is no telling what is going to come of the mess they have created here. Florida Democrats worked with the GOP to get this early primary bill through. They ignored pleadings from the DNC and Dean, and just went ahead. They voted 115 to 1.

Messes like this happen when donkeys go to far, when they overreach.


Senator Steve Geller from the Florida Democratic Convention. His button says Size DOES Matter, one of the several things they did to put down Dean and the smaller states.

The voters in Florida and Michigan have been screwed, but not by the DNC. They were screwed by their shortsighted state party leaders.

With apologies to Aesop:

A donkey with an apple in its mouth once walked across a bridge. In the pond below, it thought it saw another donkey with a bigger, redder apple. The donkey reached down for the reflection of its apple, and dropped the real apple instead.

Moral: that’s what happens when jackasses overreach.

When you are motivated by greed, things don't always work out so well. If they had kept their original early March primary they could have been powerful indeed.

[movonne]

1. Is he some hillary shill...

[madfloridian]

2. I don't know.

Now going to say because I just don't know.

[Catherina]

37. He's a political consultant with ties to the Cuban community

I don't know if this helps. Dimaio makes a living working for Democrats.. This is where seeing Clinton's tax returns would be a good idea.

He's in this video talking about taxes on cigars and SCHIP http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=326163629126543...


Vic Dimaio is a Democratic Party political consultant in Tampa, and a registered lobbyist for several broadcasting companies....
http://www.wmnf.org/news_stories/show/4150

Vic Dimaio has run many political campaigns here in Florida...
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/specials/popular/articl...


The Hillsborough County Democratic Executive Committee, under the new leadership of Michael Steinberg, is hosting its first AFTER FIVE get together.

Join us AFTER FIVE as we honor some of our local Democratic leaders:

~ State Senator Arthenia Joyner ~ State Senator Charlie Justice ~
~ State House Representative Betty Reed ~
~ State House Representative Michael Scionti ~
~ State House Representative Frank Peterman ~

WHERE: Valencia Garden Restaurant
www.valenciagarden.com
811 W Kennedy Blvd
Tampa, FL 33606
[phone]

WHEN: Monday, February 25, 2008

TIME: 5:00PM - 7:30PM ~ COST: $10.00 per person

Cash Bar and Finger Food

BE THERE! BRING A FRIEND!

The (Democratic) Party starts with YOU . . .

RSVP to Vic DiMaio at 813-221-1300 x222

http://democrat.meetup.com/1179/calendar/7275056 /

[madfloridian]

64. Thanks.

I had not seen that video. There is another I am looking for. It seems to have been archived.

I knew he was a consultant and a lobbyist. I just can't figure his motives here.

It does worry me, all these lawsuits. There was another filed against the state by Jon Ausman, and it was dismissed. DiMaio also filed against the state, I think.

It is turning our party over to the courts, and it is a scary prospect. Karen Thurman is a paid lobbyist for Al Cardenas, the former RNC chair. In addition to her approx 100,000 as chair, she get about 3,600 a month from his company.

I have wondered who is financing all these lawsuits. It takes real money to keep one after the other going.

[Catherina]

68. Don't mention it

If I see anything else, I'll send it to you. I've wondered too because whoever is doing this isn't concerned about Democrats winning in 2008. I was shocked to find out in one of your posts that it was a Democrat, Sen. Jeremy Ring, who introduced the bill and disenfranchised his own voters.

Is he DLC? It makes you wonder because there's only one faction of the Democratic Party that would side with Florida's GOP to break DNC rules governing primaries and caucuses and then get dirty enough to threaten pointless lawsuits they know won't go anywhere.

I don't mind if Florida gets a NEW vote but Dean shouldn't have to pay for it.

[xxqqqzme]

66. Is he a member of the dlc?

Does the Cuban Democratic community tend to conservative?

Just askin. I know very little about the Cuban community except they are characterized by CMC as publicans. I know there has to be some Democrats there.

The Vietnamese community here in Orange County is portrayed as publican when in fact they are trending Democrat.

[Catherina]

67. I don't know if he's DLC

but I'd bet he's getting paid by Clinton people.

The Cuban community tends to support whoever promises the quickest path back to their old plantations.
Usually that's Republicans but conservative Democrats who make the same promises get their votes too. I think the two parties there have an incestuous relationship. This thread I found yesterday reinforced my belief but Madfloridian would know better. I left a long time ago.

Obama seems to have that base covered which explains why Clinton doesn't want a real vote in Florida.

Cuban Americans for Barack Obama

Cuban exiles have traditionally been a safe vote for Republican presidential candidates in the key battleground state of Florida, but in a potential boon to Democratic hopeful Barack Obama, many now agree with his call for lifting some sanctions against Cuba.

...

Obama, who has called US policy on Cuba a “failure,” proposes lifting the travel and remittance restrictions as a first step toward changing relations with Cuba.

...

“I think Barack Obama is right,” he said. “It’s time to show the United States is different and can help Cuba change little by little, although I don’t know if it will be possible with Raul Castro.”

...

Obama has drawn fire from his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, and the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain, for saying he would be willing to meet with Cuba’s new leader without preconditions.

During a debate with Clinton in Texas last week, Obama said he would be willing to meet Cuba’s new leader but stressed that the agenda should include “human rights, releasing of political prisoners, opening up the press.”

...

In a worrisome sign for Republican hopes of keeping the White House, Hispanics in Florida voted massively for the Democrats in the 2006 legislative elections.

...

http://havanajournal.com/cuban_americans/entry/cuban-am... /

[lligrd]

3. I Feel For The Floridians But They Really Need

to do something about their State. This is not the first mess Florida has caused.

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. And the appellate court will dismiss him; the Supreme Court will do the same, if it goes that far.

This is a matter of settled law. There's ample precedent.

Relevant USSC rulings (Italics mine, added for emphasis):

Wisconsin (NB: And by extension any other state) cannot constitutionally compel the National Party to seat a delegation chosen in a way that violates the Party's rules. (Democratic Party v Wisconsin, 1981, which references the decision below)

In the selection of candidates for national office, a National Party Convention serves the pervasive national interest, which is paramount to any interest of a State in protecting the integrity of its electoral process, and the Circuit Court erred in issuing an injunction that abridged the associational rights of petitioners and their Party and the Party's right to determine the composition of its National Convention in accordance with Party standards. P P. 487-491. (Cousins v Wigoda, 1975).

[madfloridian]

6. He and his lawyer know there is precedent...they don't care.

I don't know their inspiration, wish I did. It costs money to keep suing the DNC.

[AlGore-08.com]

20. Three words in response: "Bush v. Gore" - n/t

[Birthmark]

5. The DNC's decision in FL...

...is unDemocratic, unfair, stupid, and bespeaks an ineptitude rivaling Bush. Stripping FL of its delegates after 1.75 million FL Democrats voted in the primary, will lead to losing FL for the nominee in November.

But at least the DNC will be able to console itself with the knowledge that *they* "won." (SEE: "Pyrrhic victory")

[atreides1]

11. But Florida went back on their word

Doesn't integrity count for anything? Or does integrity get thrown away because some individuals decided to piss on an agreement.

We're always pointing out the lack of integrity of the Republicans, and there are questions of the integrity of Clinton and Obama herte on a daily basis.

So, why a lower standard for Florida?

[Birthmark]

12. "Florida" did nothing.

The Florida State Democratic Party certainly violated DNC rules. The 1.75 million Democrats who voted in the FL primary violated nothing. They went to the polls according to the requirements of State Law and in good faith. It was a record turnout. Disenfranchising those 1.75 million Democrats for something they didn't do and had little control over will lose FL in the GE for the Democratic Nominee.

I can put up with unfair OR stupid. I draw the line when it's both, though.

[MadHound]

25. Then you, in Florida, need to get involved in the Florida State Democratic Party

Take it back over for the people again and run it as it should be run rather than this half-ass, bullshit manner. Look, I'm sorry that you've got a bunch of idiots in your state that are screwing you over, but this is indeed a state party matter, not a legal or moral one. What kind of message is it going to send if Florida and Michigan, after violating known rules, are allowed a do-over? Hell, then we'll be having this kind of shit going on every four years.

I realize it sucks, but this is why you get involved with your party on a local and state level, so that you, and others who are just as pissed off as you, can keep this shit from happening.

[Birthmark]

26. That's a job for later.

Job one is overturning the DNC's brainless disenfranchisement of FL Democrats.

Once that job is accomplished, and I believe it will be at least partially accomplished, we can turn to the matter of our State Party.

But frankly, disenfranchise me once and you've lost me. I've voted in every Federal and State election (and most local elections) since 1976. Any party that negates my vote --particularly on the basis of <b>other people's</b> behavior-- can confidently write me off as a supporter.

[MadHound]

28. What was brainless was the FL Democratic Party apparatus not just failing to stop this train wreck,

But getting greedy and supporting it! The only people that screwed you are in your own state, again. Florida fuck-ups have already cost us one election, one would think that such a horrendous example would actually motivate people like yourself to get involved in the politics of your own state just to bring this shit under control. But no, apparently you folks like this stupid shit.

You can whine and moan all you want, but the only real fault lies with the people of Florida. If we start allowing a do-over for you and Michigan, what's next? Like I said, more and more states will start pulling the same kind of stupid shit cycle in and cycle out. It is up to the people of your state to police your own state politics so this sort of thing doesn't happen. Yet twice now this shit has happened. You know what they say, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

And frankly, if you decide to vote for McCain out of misdirected spite, then you and those who feel like you do are beneath contempt. Besides, it not like it wouldn't be the first time we've had to write off a fucked up Southern state.

Grow up, regain control of your party and stop your whining.

[Birthmark]

29. Yeah?

Why don't you explain the process of how the People of FL could have stopped this --in detail? If you try you will quickly discover your position to be nonsensical.

And who the hell wants a "do-over?" Certainly not me! There's no such thing. It would be a new primary.

Ah, I see: Disenfranchising voters = good.
Voting for someone YOU don't like = beneath contempt.

Sorry, but I don't think that you have the hang of this representative government thing. In fact, anyone who thinks that party rules trump the individual Right to Vote is a bit misguided, to put it kindly.

[MadHound]

30. Umm, the people in the party could have pressured their leaders to not move this up

But with absolutely, utterly no objection in the Florida House, and minimal opposition in the Florida Senate, it is apparent that the Florida Democratic party had no problem violating a national party ruling. Whoopsie, guess the people of Florida should have been participating in their party politics.

And as far as your disenfranchisement goes, this isn't voting in a national election, you're voting in a party election, agreeing to abide by party rules, and are effected by party sanctions if you break those rules. I realize that this is a subtle difference, perhaps too subtle for some. But it is an important one, you are dealing with the politics of a party, not the politics of our government and country at large.

[Birthmark]

45. Nope.

I asked specifically what the citizens could do. "Participating" is a dodge.

So, disenfranchisement is okay with you...even though the voters obeyed every rule that they could? Weird. I thought this was DEMOCRATIC Underground, not a Kafka novel.

[ldf]

63. maybe the good citizens of florida

should reconsider just who they vote into office as democrats.

maybe they should vote for democrats who are not in bed with the republicans.

maybe they should have SCREAMED when their party leaders decide to give in to the florida REPUBLICAN party leaders who wanted to move the election up.

the republicans KNEW the rules. they have their own. they KNEW they were encouraging the democratic state party leaders to break their own rules. they KNEW there would be consequences.

just WHO controls the state legislature? democrats or republicans?

so, now, in spite of all the fuckups of the florida democratic voters, who constantly elect party officials who are in bed with the republicans, in spite of the fuckups of the florida democratic party leaders, who are so quick to bend over to be screwed by the republicans (after all, it IS part of the agreement that they do so), who is actually to blame?

why, howard dean, of course.

as someone who was born in florida and lived there 45 years, until 1996, i have never so wanted a state to become absolutely irrelevant in politics.

we are in the mess we are in right now because of florida 2000.

the only people who can straighten this out are the florida voters.

and they can't do it by pissing on the rules of agreement that their party leaders signed.



edit: punctuation

[Birthmark]

72. Ah, I see.

Soo...we, the People of Florida, should have known months beforehand that those heading the FDP would support moving the date for the Primary up...and that the DNC would dislike it enough to disenfranchise FL Dems. Yeah, that's realistic.

Say hello to President McCain.

[Mithreal]

39. Those whining about this are self-defeating or worse.

The people responsible for the primary debacles get a freepass and then voters want a quick fix to a Florida Democratic party that has been rotting from within. Florida democrats, fix your own party. It is not the job of people on DU or other communities to do ALL the work for you. There is no quick solution.

The person who filed the lawsuit, where was this person when voters were disenfranchised in general elections? Florida has cost the nation 8 years of death, destruction, and despair. Of course, I know there were other forces at work but it all came down to Florida. Please fix your mess and see past the propaganda war.

If Florida can't fix itself it deserves to become third world. ( I don't mean that, I am just really angry about the whining. )

[Dr.Phool]

33. Sorry, but I used to be involved with these jerks.

I'm a little more picky about who I choose to associate with now.

Look up "lazy", "incompetent", "corrupt", "irrelevant",petty", or "backstabbers" in the dictionary, and you'll find reference to the Florida Democratic Party.

New blood comes along to join, and they figure that the party membership knows what's going on, and they defer to their judgement. After a while, they figure out what's going on, and what they're involved with, and they run for the hills. I've seen a lot of good, hard-working, smart activists throw up their hands in disgust, and just leave.

[madfloridian]

46. Some of that new blood is walking away. One county chair can't find volunteers

now to do the on the ground work. She simply can not figure out why?

I could tell her, but she doesn't think I am worthy.

[girl gone mad]

41. Cry us a river.

Florida broke the rules. Why should they be given special treatment under the law? Chaos would ensue, with many states arbitrarily moving primary/caucus dates so they can have greater influence.

[usrbs]

49. I think a do-over is the only fair solution, and both campaigns should pay for it.

[dansolo]

51. Correction - they were stripped BEFORE the vote

And who really think that FL is going Democratic anyway?

[davidpdx]

7. Is this the same guy who gave the 10+ minute tirade in Ohio

and made some really bad remarks about Obama and his supporters?

MF, thanks again for continuing to keep us in the loop!

[madfloridian]

9. I don't know.

Do you have a link? He doesn't like breathing the same air as Dean I know. I don't know his preference for nominee, but it is not hard to guess.

[Coexist]

8. I read in the St. Pete Times today they'll try to make it illegal to put a candidate on the ballot

for a party whose delegates were not seated. A new low for crybaby Florida democrats. Ugh.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/03/seat-delegates.h...

[madfloridian]

10. They are going to get down and dirty, just like Michigan will.

Granholm said if they don't get their way, they will have noisy protests at the convention.

It is just so out of control.

Dean has done what he has to do. He sanctioned them for breaking the rules. But the Hillary folks just keep on finding new ways to get around it.

The delegates "as is" are not going to be seated, so I truly feel sad that the Clintons are not calling these folks out to cease and desist.

I used to respect them both.

[Birthmark]

13. That seems like an outstanding idea!

I'll have to give it some thought, but at first blush I approve of the concept.

[Coexist]

14. no, its stupid, the state could use the money that would be spent here

in the GE.

[madfloridian]

15. Exactly, it was a power play gone wrong...now they need to graciously back off.

[Birthmark]

16. I hope they pass that law in record time.

I believe that it will lead to a quick and reasonably equitable solution.

[Coexist]

18. its most likely unconstitutional

[Birthmark]

19. On what basis?

[Coexist]

21. here - I'm off to bed now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access#Ballot_acces...

[Birthmark]

23. I'm not seeing a problem.

[Coexist]

55. then try this:

http://www.ballot-access.org/winger/iba.html

[Dr.Phool]

35. I have a more outstanding idea.

You just go ahead and give YOUR vote to McCain. I'll cast mine as I see fit.

[Dr.Phool]

34. Oh Jesus fucking Christ!

And this is coming from a Democrat!

If you don't pay attention to our tantrum, we'll give Florida to McCain! This is what we have to deal with down here.

[Coexist]

54. I'm watching Dean on This Week right now

I hope this thing ends now, no wonder I quit the damn county party last year.

[Dr.Phool]

65. Now you know why me and a few others disappeared also.

[madfloridian]

70. We did too. Now they can't find volunteers. People are tired of it.

.

[Dr.Phool]

73. I talked to a friend of mine the other day.

He's still in the DEC. He only attends every third meeting anymore, so he can keep his membership.

We worked several campaigns together, and he really knows his shit. He won't lift a finger to help anymore, and refuses to attend any fundraisers.

Anybody who was worth a shit did the same thing, or resigned outright.

I resigned.

[CTLawGuy]

62. thats ok

and then when Obama is president, FL will have a very awkward 4-8 years.

[Coexist]

17. Mad, did you see this? Dems to Crist:: shut up and get back to work

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/03/dems-to-crist-b....

Dems to Crist: Butt out and back to work
UPDATE: Crist, Howard Dean and Michigan Sen. Carl Levin will be guests on This Week with George Stephanopoulos Sun.

Florida Democratic party communications director Mark Bubriski scoffed at Crist's suggestions that the state might help fund and run Democratic primary re-vote. Just another effort by Crist to get more media coverage, Bubriski said.

"The state of Florida does not have the money to pay for this election and the Democratic party of Florida is not asking the state to pay for it. We're concerned about the money the Republican legislators are trying to cut from education, health care,'' said Bubriski. "You can't turn on a cable tv station without seeing him. Cameras are knocking people out of the way to get to Charlie Crist and he's loving it. He needs to get back to work to fix this Republican recession."In fact, yesterday John McCain nearly got bonked on the head by a TV camera trying to get past the Republican presidential nominee to talk to Crist. Check it out here.


Funny clip of McCain nearly getting clobbered with that camera.

[madfloridian]

24. That's great...good for them. Crist has been a pain in the butt on this.

That's a good article. I missed it. Thanks for posting it.

[Dr.Phool]

36. McBrained?

[bhikkhu]

22. Jeez...does Florida have to be a mess every election? n/t

[ZinZen]

27. Wow, MF your party leaders

are making fools of themselves. Do you think that it will have any blowback during their re-election with voters, or are voters convinced in FL that it is all the DNC's fault?

[Political Heretic]

31. I hate states.

And florida has moved to the top of my list.

[istopforcookies]

32. Voters suck!

Disenfranize voters Yay!

Wow. On DU no less.

I'm so proud.

:Sarcasm off:

[Political Heretic]

38. Hear hear!

Philosopher Kings FTW

[krkaufman]

40. Thanks for keeping us informed, madfloridian. n/t

[DRoseDARs]

42. madfloridian & other Florida DU'ers, I'm sorry we have to do this but... your state is now outlawed.

We begin bombing in five minutes.

[HooptieWagon]

43. We've been hoping

We've been hoping for the past eight years that the UN will declare a "failed state" and come in and take over this circus.

[Vinca]

44. This could backfire big time for Mr. DiMaio - whoever the hell he is.

The court could stop the Democratic Party from having any sort of redo or in any way counting the ballots already cast.

[barb162]

47. Crist is on George Steph's show on ABC now discussing the issue.

[YDogg]

48. Bill Nelson sounded like a fool on FTN talking about a mail-in ballot.

Kerry sounded much more reasonable.

It's a giant clusterf*ck.

[madfloridian]

50. More from Victor, whose lawyer is chairman of Hillsborough County Dems

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs...

"Victor DiMaio, the Tampa Democrat suing the DNC over its decision to ignore the state’s Jan. 29 primary, said he would file a second lawsuit if the state and national parties agreed to hold another election.

“I’m sure the New England Patriots would love a do-over Super Bowl,” DiMaio said this morning. “But it’s over. It’s done with.”

DiMaio’s attorney, Michael Steinberg, said their suit, scheduled for a hearing on March 17, would continue even if another state contest was scheduled. “We’re trying to establish a principle that you can’t give preferential treatment to some states,” Steinberg said.

Their lawsuit would force the party to use the results from the Jan. 29 election, which Sen. Hillary Clinton won by 17 percentage points over Sen. Barack Obama. But DiMaio said he’s not trying to given either candidate an edge —- he said he voted for Sen. John Edwards."

[blackspade]

75. Then this guy...

**Their lawsuit would force the party to use the results from the Jan. 29 election, which Sen. Hillary Clinton won by 17 percentage points over Sen. Barack Obama. But DiMaio said he’s not trying to given either candidate an edge —- he said he voted for Sen. John Edwards."**

Then this guy obviously never understood what Edwards was about. This whole Florida primary is a total fiasco.
The Florida state Democratic Party even more corrupt that the good old boy politics hear in KY. Just stunning.

[madfloridian]

77. It is stunning how things operate here.

[Myrina]

52. Florida has pretty much f'd up the last 2 elections ...

... is it something in the water?

[madfloridian]

53. It's dangerous getting courts involved in intra party matters, IMHO

and that is exactly what DiMaio is doing. Bill Nelson sued and lost.

So did DiMaio and Steinberg. But they will keep going to the Supreme Court. Trying to get another precedent set, they say.

No do-over, says activist

The Tampa political consultant and Democratic activist has been granted an appeal of his federal lawsuit intended to overturn the DNC's stripping Florida of its 210 delegates to the national convention in Denver. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta has agreed to hear DiMaio's claim March 17 that the party had no authority to punish the state.

"Florida is the fourth largest state in the nation and we deserve to have our votes count and have a voice in deciding who the next president of the United States should be," DiMaio said.

A U.S. District Court in Tampa dismissed DiMaio's case in December, saying that U.S. Supreme Court rulings have established that political parties have authority to "manage and conduct their own internal affairs," which includes delegate selection.

But appellate judges, apparently, want to review the lower court's thinking.

This is going to cast a shadow over the primaries.

[IndianaGreen]

57. I can't fathom letting Scalia decide the Democratic nomination

The insanity is indescribable!

[madfloridian]

58. Thanks for getting that. People are not seeing the danger.

[IndianaGreen]

60. I will say publicly what I said privately

You were right all along about the craziness and manipulations going on in Florida, and now they want the Democratic Party to give them a pass and reward them for all the grief they have caused, and that is yet to come.

[madfloridian]

61. Thanks a lot. It is scary how they do things here.

[dragonlady]

71. Can anyone with knowledge of the 11th Circuit predict how they will decide?n/t

[madfloridian]

56. Victor, get that injunction ready.

After watching the Sunday shows...looks like it's gonna be a mail in.



I hate there being a do-over...but no one asked me.

[joshcryer]

59. Dean: Redo or seat.

Pretty cool guy.

[ooglymoogly]

69. Florida is a blood red state where even the "Democratic" political shills

are Democrats in name only (excepting a few important pockets of real dems). We already know how our banana republic supreme court will handle this if they are given the chance; Giving them once again the opportunity to select our next president if the pugs begin to lose everything. I would not be surprised if they reach down and grab this case so they can once again find a way to interfere on the pug side.

[CreekDog]

74. I remember him from "Wings"

you can't count the results of an election people were told "didn't count". find a way to include Florida, but the right way isn't to count something that people were told was a beauty pageant at best.

[NM Independent]

76. Two words...

...Fuck Florida

and now a few more...They moved up their primary so they could be more decisive in the election. This is nothing less than collective narcicism. They want to matter more than everyone else. They were told they would not count because of it, and they did it anyway. Now they want to Supreme Court another election?

FUCK FLORIDA...not only do I not care if they are "disenfranchised" (which is a total load of shit) I think the state as a collective should be stripped of their say in elections until both parties in that state sign a collective pledge to play by the rules, and not complain when they don't get their way.

I'm done with that state, neuter 'em.

[DaCoach]

78. Timing is everything

Crist signed the bill moving up the election in May 2007. So it's taken almost a year for concerned citizens to feel the pain? Geriatric wisdom prevails.

[SoxFan]

79. Whatever, Vic

Go plunk your ample backside on a bar stool at Wynkoops and watch the convention tehre, but don't expect us to change the rules for you now.