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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:45 PM
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Nader is my guy if HRC becomes our Democratic Nominee
I am becoming so infuriated, ill and disgusted by the Clinton's, that if their behavior continues and HRC wins or more like conniving steals the Democratic Nomination I am voting for Nader. I have had it with this insane type of despicable behavior for power hungry people with NO morals
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:46 PM
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1. Cool. You won't be able to post at DU.
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. yeah. and we'll really miss you, man
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Yeah, but I will be able to sleep nights knowing that I didn t particiapate
IN THE WINE AND SLIME THAT HRC SEEMS TO REVEL IN.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
33. But you will have participated in probably getting a republican
elected again...

And if that's okay with you, then you really should admit it first and then seek treatment later...
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #33
83. HRC is looking more and more like a Republican.....afterall what is in a name
when HRC puts Obama down and endorses Cain?????

Votes FOR cluster bombs FOR IWR

Her behavior in this campaign is worse than DESPICABLE, I used to defend her now I just want to vomit over how naive I was to think that she was somehow better than the Repubs.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #33
88. Tell that to these people
You know....Hillary's core support who won't vote for a "black" candidate. And what's most shocking is that these are women who pretend to be so concerned about Supreme Court appts., but will risk a McCain presidency, if they can't have their chosen one. Disgusting, no?

"One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party's choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton.

In addition, female Democrats look at the race differently depending on the matchup. While 93% of women in the party say they would vote for Clinton over McCain, just 79% say they would support Obama over McCain.

A quarter of Democrats (25%) who back Clinton for the nomination say they would favor McCain in a general election test against Obama. The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton."


http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=125 ...

So it seems you would be much better off making that argument to Clinton supporters. The only good news I see in results like this is that maybe when these kind of polls work their way through the black community, we'll wake up once and for all, and a viable third party emerges.
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salbi Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #6
76. I may write in Obama's name if it comes down to it.
I want to be able to sleep at night too.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #76
84. I just cannot condone ANYTHING coming from HRC right now
It is making me sick to have her as a Dem
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Not True, as long as the OP doesn't post pro Nader, or anti Hillary posts....
they are just fine. There are plenty of other Democrats out there to support.

I refuse to support Hillary in the GE, but I won't post anything for whatever candidate I do finally choose to vote for if Hillary should win, but I will support other Dems who are up for election in Congress.

Currently I live in a repug represented district, but this election I am going to work my ass off to change that to a Democrat.

But for right now, it's all about getting Obama the nomination for me.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Oh please
I'm not going to let people get away with that kind of tip-toe bullshit. These people should be identified and alerted and removed from DU.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. So what you're saying is that although I am a progressive, I should be ...
removed because I only openly support 99% of Dems?

I can't be progressive and support the other 99% because I have a problem with the Presidential nominee?

As long as I don't openly criticize Hillary, or openly support another candidate, it doesn't really matter to you.

This is why this party keeps losing elections, it's unify with who we tell you to, or be gone.

Yeah, that's a real progressive value - NOT!
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #22
69. Yep, that's pretty much it.
This isn't "ProgressiveValuesUnderground.com". Sorry.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #69
72. About Democratic Underground
<snip>

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #72
73. From Skinner's post at the top of the page
Let me be clear: We expect our members to support the Democratic nominee for president. This expectation has been written into our rules since as far back as 2002, and we aggressively enforced this rule in 2004 after it became clear that John Kerry was the presumptive nominee. In other words, this is not a secret. If you are at all shocked or surprised by this, then you have not been paying very close attention. Don't even bother trying to convince us otherwise. This was decided long ago, we've already heard all the opposing arguments over and over a thousand times, and we're not going to change our policy.

By the way--nobody's claiming that progressives in general aren't welcome here. There are thousands of progressives here that will happily support the Dem nominee. My point was that when it comes down to it, this is a site that supports Democrats. Period. If there are "progressives" on this site who refuse to support Candidate X if said candidate gains the nomination, then they have two options: stay silent about their non-support, or be shown the door.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #73
74. Of course, in context,
"support" means that, at DU, if you are going to mention the nominee, you do so supportively. If you cannot do so supportively, you don't mention the nominee at all.

There are also thousands of progressives that will not be voting for the nominee in November.

That doesn't exclude anyone from the board, as long as they are not posting for another candidate, or against the nominee.

Skinner et al will not be following posters around, tombstoning everyone who doesn't say something "nice" about the nominee. :eyes:
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. Which is precisely
what I said.

If there are "progressives" on this site who refuse to support Candidate X if said candidate gains the nomination, then they have two options: stay silent about their non-support, or be shown the door.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. Also from Skinner's post at the top of the page -
As usual, we will continue to permit constructive criticism of the Democratic nominee and of other Democratic candidates and officeholders. We will also continue to permit sincere, non-disruptive expressions of ambivalence toward the nominee. But we will not permit politically motivated attacks designed to tear down the Democratic presidential nominee.

Now honestly, after we pick a nominee, and if that nominee is Hillary, I will not even post sincere criticism of her.
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
29. He's making a statement that is true.....
...it's just that we have no candidate...

I won't vote for Nader, but I would vote for a Gore/Edwards ticket or longshot Edwards/Gore ticket if there is a brokered convention.

Sorry pal but the party is already fractured. I won't vote for either of the left-overs. Your wondering why? I'm a Republican cross-over, I'm a layed off engineering manager at sixty years old in Detroit without insurance. Hillary and Obama just do not turn me on at all.

I pray that John Edwards does not endorse either and I hope you think the same. Sounds like you not.

Anyway, I'm hoping for my choice above or I will not vote at all. I will not vote for McCain either...right now I am just plain lost.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #16
68. So you're going to become the DU gestapo,
racing around trying to convince mods to tombstone anyone you feel might not vote for the nominee?

Based on what, exactly? Their engaging in substantive discussions and refusal to engage election campaigners?

As long as a DUer does not post anything unsupportive of the democratic nominee at DU, no rule has been broken.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. You weren't here in 2004, were you?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:07 PM
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25. From the rules
As usual, we will continue to permit constructive criticism of the Democratic nominee and of other Democratic candidates and officeholders. We will also continue to permit sincere, non-disruptive expressions of ambivalence toward the nominee. But we will not permit politically motivated attacks designed to tear down the Democratic presidential nominee.

I won't even provide constructive criticism of Hillary, I'll just keep my mouth shut about her.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 PM
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2. Yay for people who think the SCOTUS should be controlled by right-wingers for 20 years. Woohoo!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
20. Can you honestly trust Hillary to do otherwise.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
79. Honestly I can, given that every Democrat since FDR has appointed liberal judges
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
82. I can honestly trust Clinton to choose nominees far superior to those that McCain would.
While she may be a bit too hawkish and pro-business for the tastes of many DUers, she's generally pretty liberal on the sorts of issues which Supreme Court judges rule.

On what grounds do you think she'd submit far right judges for nomination?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. so as long as she appoints liberal judges..her hawkishness doesn't
bother you? Tell that to the kids who will die in Iran.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 PM
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3. is Cynthia still running?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 PM
Response to Original message
4. Then you'll have to leave DU
And you are now on my ignore list.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Why? Do you approve of the bullshit that Hrc is throwing at Barack???
I am furious over the things that Hillary has said about Barack and if her dirty tactics continue why should we ever vote for her?
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #9
40. The Obama campaign labeled the Clintons as racists before SC.
It doesn't get much nastier than that.

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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #9
42. Voting for the Democratic candidate
is more than voting for the individual. If you vote for Nader you will be doing your utmost to ensure Republican control of one third of the government. That means voting for Republican appointment of federal judges including the Supreme Court, Republican led agenda on the environment and social issues, Republican appointees to the Cabinet, and a Republican Commander-in-Chief.

That is what you'd be trying to ensure. Lives are literally at stake in this election. Your vote for Nader isn't going to help him or his cause. Nader's not going to get elected and you know that. Your vote will be for nothing less than the continuation of the Republican administration and it will be a vote against a Democratic administration.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
53. And how is Nader better, in any way?
I would rather have an obnoxious Dem than a Republican shill.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:48 PM
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7. Thirsty?
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
45. i see your kool-aid, and raise you a tub of lard . ; - )
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Another Shallow Hal.
:puke:
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. you fold then?
interesting that you can post an inflammatory pic but spew chunks when one's thrown back at ya.

oh, but yours was just in fun eh? you gotta love people who can dish it out but can't take it

:nopity:
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. The pic I posted made fun of the supporters
not the candidate and their physical
appearance. That is a cheap shot to
make fun of a woman's weight. Period.
The Kool-aid Obama man pokes fun at
the cult meme that has persisted about
his supporters.
Gotta love people that cannot see the
difference between a comic representation
of a campaign meme and making fun of
a person's physical appearance.
:puke:
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. cheap shot? you should talk. lighten up with the self-righteous maudlin theatrics.
oh, i get it, it's ok to MEAN -- in grand sweeping generalizations no less -- your mean-spirited jibe at the "average" Obama supporter. unbelievable. you do mean it. made sure we all knew it -- "persisted about his supporters"? where? only in the paranoid delusions of your ilk and random talking head theatrics. thought you were really clever when you posted it eh? were you giggling to yourself? either that or you actually were as serious as bill o'reilly or wolf blitzer pucker at the camera commentary. either way it's sad this is how you get your rocks off and then play the PC card like your the grand inquisitor of propriety. please. the irony would be delicious if it didn't give such vicious indigestion.

.

as far as my post, yeah you got me, i think hillary is fat. damn. i've been caught. you got my game, the jig is up. i think everybody should dislike her because i think she's fat. (picture me waving my arms in the air here). are you aware of how abusrd that sounds?

there's a difference between a joke that has no point of reference whatsoever, one which was posted as an obviously fatuous "give me a break" jokey reply to that silly ass picture you posted (notice the jokey wink in the orignal reply, you dip?) and an intentionally-derisive insult fallaciously aimed in every direction that's a threat to you. difference between me and you is i don't mean it. hello pot, it's kettle.

i could give a rat's ass less about hillary's appearance. you're ridiculous: yeah, i'm experiencing such massive hemorrhaging hallucinations that i look at her skinny ass frame and see fat. and sure, why not, want everyone to hate her for it too boot. i started a whisper campaign no less. check your email, the pic is probably there by now!

give me a break.

i'm so fucking sick of you hillbot hypocrites. no not the actual level-headed supporters, but this renegade militia of dolts who pull sucker-punches every chance you get than cry foul at the slightest conceived hint of a fly-swat wave in your direction. your grandiloquent disagreement with anything that poses the slightest threat to your tunnel vision view of this race or anything besides your own demands for its outcome is just plan lame. this is the last time i reply. i should have known better that i couldn't even wink wink joke with you without getting it maniacally shaken back in every face in your proximity shame-on-you-squawk-out-a-load-of-postured-BS style.

ok, here comes your fantastic reply. whatever it is i could fuck's sake less. ignore not just on you, but every other hillroid who is this fascistly delusional. last time i reply. sorry DU, should have known better for the umpteenth time...
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Hooray!! Ignore me PLEASE!
One less jack-booted brown
shirt Obama thug to deal with.
Yeah, this Hillroid went there.
Followed you to the shit hole.
Obamabrownshirts - support Obama
or you hate America. Sounds
like the sheeple of bush to me.

See ya, damn sure wouldn't want
to be ya.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #59
91. very thin skinned, don't you know?
we've been called cultists, Obamatrons, and now "brown shirts" by said poster. Only pc when it comes to Hitlary, but certainly can't take it. She'll place you "ignore" now, because she clearly lost the argument, and doesn't want to risk future run-ins.

Good on ya..... :yourock:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
90. omg.....dude that is hideous. i feel like I'm looking at her true soul
:rofl:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:49 PM
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8. I've predicted a huge split to Nader if Obama isn't on the ticket.
Just the youth vote would rebel.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. THis is the same Nader that said the country would be better off with bush as president
THey'll stay home before they vote for him.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:52 PM
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10. I think Roe v Wade is a lot safer if more rather than fewer Democrats
are in Washington, including in the Oval Office.

Which appoints SCOTUS nominees for approval of the Senate.

It's all tied together. We need the big push. We can't always have our first choice in life. We can't USUALLY have our first choice in life, in fact, and certainly not in politics.

I urge you to reconsider and support the Democratic ticket.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
26. I no longer trust Hilary. When it comes to the Supreme Court, Hillary will appoint whoever it is
politacally expediant to do so at the time. She has no convictions.

Her endorsing McCain over Obama has done told me everything I need to know, or will ever need to know, about HRC. PERIOD.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. We disagree. I think we would have no worries about Roe with
Hillary Clinton appointing SCOTUS noms.

None at all.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #32
54. Roe might be safe with Hillary, but
...Consumer Protections, Class Action Lawsuits, & LABOR Protections would be up for grabs!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #54
70. I'll take John Edwards' domestic agenda, please.
I'll have my vote ready at the second window.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
12. But Hillary has endorsed McCain
won't you be torn on who to vote for?
:rofl:
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:54 PM
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13. Was he your guy in 2000 as well?
Just wondering.

Because if you were, I'll be more likely to vote for HRC in the unlikely event she gets the nomination.

Because this was the idiocy that was spewed in 2000 about Gore.

Oh, and remember Nader telling us in 2000 we'd be better off with bush as president

Yeah... nader is such a great guy.
A man of real principles.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #13
85. No, it was Gore in 2000, and Kerry in 04' now I am getting so sick
of what is going on, that my statement is just showing how absolutely frustrated, disgusted and furious I am at HRC.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:55 PM
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14. bye
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:01 PM
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17. Screw that.
I didn't vote for Clinton and she's not my first choice.

She is, however, my second, and I would vote for her every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:03 PM
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18. If BO or Hillary supporters follow your lead, then Repugs win again. When will y'all learn what
being a member of the Democratic Party means?

:puke: on anyone who deserts the Dem Party over a petty squabble between candidates.

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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 PM
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19. gah. please, for the love of god...
don't vote for nader. :banghead:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 PM
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23. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I just won't vote for President in the general election
It was only two weeks ago when I would have voted for WHOEVER the Democratic nominee was, not anymore


When she said that she and mccain were qualified to president, while Obama was just a speech, that did it for me



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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. It will be a sad day in hell, but many of us wont.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #27
62. I hope she doesn't get the nomination, because it will be the first time I would have done this
but I just cannot vote for someone who intentionally sabatages the party in my view. I don't trust her


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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 PM
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24. I will vote for Hillary, but with no illusions.
Her Supreme Court nominees will be better than McCain's, and that means a lot, but if Hillary is elected I will abandon hope of any real progressive legislation.

-Laelth
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:12 PM
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28. I just keep thinking of McCain singing
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran, and I'll have to vote for the democrat.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:17 PM
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30. Your argumentation is facile and your attitude is infantile.
The post shows that issues of morality are completely lost on you.

To allow for McCain to continue the regime's policies out of childish pique is the height of immaturity.

Now if this post was merely to grab attention...

Well, it amounts to the same low level of discourse.

Derision is what it deserves.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:01 PM
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86. Sorry, but your "high road" drove into the ditch along with your candidate HRC.
The slime that she has been throwing at Obama is disgusting and WHY would I want to follow someone like that?????????

There is a reason that there is a SILENT majority, I am beginning to undertand that more and more as time goes on.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 PM
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87. Funny how sooooo many Obama supporters assume I'm an HRC
supporter

Never liked her candidacy as I called it in 2000-- she wanted Gore to lose to open up the room for her later on. Same thing in 2004. Now she had Obama with her to make sure Kerry got the Nom and not Dean.

BOTH, in my opinion are manipulative shits --

In the end, though both are a damn sight better than McCain.

That being said.

Go pound sand and try to step away from the kool aid for a bit.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:06 PM
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93. koolaid? tell that to Clinton's "white" supporters.....
"One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party's choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton.

In addition, female Democrats look at the race differently depending on the matchup. While 93% of women in the party say they would vote for Clinton over McCain, just 79% say they would support Obama over McCain.

A quarter of Democrats (25%) who back Clinton for the nomination say they would favor McCain in a general election test against Obama. The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton."


http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=125 ...

And this is what Clinton supporters are pointing to as a reason to vote her. Disgusting.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:17 PM
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31. Enjoy the ban! nt
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:17 PM by Marie26
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:22 PM
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34. God I hate these posts
:popcorn:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:24 PM
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35. Why vote for Nader? LaRouche at least uses his own money to run
Nader is a conman. Ask any REAL Green if they like him...

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:26 PM
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36. I still hate Nader too much to ever vote for him
but if she's the nominee (and depending on the VP choice), I'll skip the presidency vote and vote for everything else down the ballot.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:27 PM
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37. It's that sort of thinking that brough us 7yrs of Chimpy McFuckstain.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:27 PM
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38. Why not just start a thread
announcing the results of your lobotomy?
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:28 PM
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39. Cynthia McKinney is better I think.
She will be the Green Party's presidential candidate. I'll be voting for her if the Clintons win the nomination.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:14 PM
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48. Another vote for McLame. Thanks MFASOB! (nt)
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:30 PM
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41. Not thrilled by Hil either, right at the moment, but....
She's got my vote in November if she's the one on the ticket, regardless of how she gets there, too. McCain can't and won't begin to address the problems we have. The outcome of this election affects real people and there will be two choices in November, no matter how many names are on the ballot. One will do his/her best to improve things and fix as much of what Bush has destroyed as possible. The other will be beholden to rightwing extremists, has no clue as to what to do with the economic crisis that's happening right this moment and wants to "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." No way to I want to take a chance with the odds as they are.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:15 PM
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49. See! Not all the Obamaites are loonies! (nt)
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:09 PM
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94. loonies? oh yeah, that's the way to win them over
:eyes:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 PM
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43. So You'd Turn Into An Ignorant Selfish Prick, While Forsaking Your Family, Friends And World, Just
for sake of proving some point that no one will notice, huh?

Yay for you.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:44 PM
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44. Ehhhh. Not Worth It.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:50 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:06 PM
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47. I'm no big fan of Hillary
but McCain is soooo much worse. No way will I waste my vote for Nader. Ever.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:17 PM
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51. Thank you. Thank you. Perhaps I should stand over here.
It'll be over soon, miss.

http://www.jaylondonlive.com/
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:05 AM
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55. LOL! You and 12 other people in the country.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:06 AM
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56. Never thought I say it to a potential Nader voter, but more power to you.
A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the destruction of the Democratic Party.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:04 PM
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92. Enough with the idiotic brinksmanship
You don't like Hillary. We all get it.

Only someone completely deluded would believe that supporting Clinton would contribute to the destruction of the Democratic party while simultaneously supporting a Nader voter in the same paragraph.

You're more Republican or Vichy Democrat than a real Democrat to support such a position.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:07 AM
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57. Sorry to hear that. I would rather not vote than vote for that asshat.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:07 AM
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58. Oh
Enjoy your delusion of perfection and all.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:34 AM
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60. This thread should be closed.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:27 AM
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65. I agree. n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:25 AM
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63. You deserve McCain
....we don't.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 AM
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64. 'cuz of course Ralphie's motives are strictly altruistic--NOT n/t
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:30 AM
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66. What about Fla in 2000
how can you vote for Nader after that? Particularly the way he keeps denying he had any effect on the outcome. Vote for someone else, that's what I will do.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:30 AM
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67. Don't do it
Take a breather from politics for a while and then revisit what you're thinking about later.

It's hard to have to vote for someone you don't want to see as president but McCain has already stated we'll spend another 100 years in Iraq if he's elected. There is much more damage that can be done by him than any of the other nominees. Just don't do it.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:45 AM
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71. Well, thanks for helping to inflict McInsane on the world!
And I'm speaking as someone who hates New Labour so much that I haven't voted for either of our main parties since 1997 - but I would hold my nose and vote for Gordon Brown or even Blair if the alternative were someone like Bush or McNuts!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:14 PM
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78. Fuck Nader.
I'm voting for the Democrat that wins the most pledged delegates and popular vote, even if the superdelegates put his opponent on the ballot.

I'm voting for Obama, even if I have to write him in.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:22 PM
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80. Sorry but I'd rather we have stem cell research than keep Hillary out of the White House
You have your head up your ass if you can't see that there are life and death differences for some people between Hillary and McCain.
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eek MD Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:43 PM
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81. If Hillary gets the nomination, I don't think it matters who we vote for.
She's such a polarizing candidate that the far right will come out in droves just to vote against her. The independents will vote for McCain because he's seen as much more moderate. The AA vote, youth vote, and progressive vote will shrivel up, after all of the underhanded tactics she's taken against Obama..........What's left? I want to vote democratic in the fall as I always have, but if it's Hillary on the ticket, I'll certainly have to hold my nose if i decide to.

It wouldn't matter if you stayed home, voted for nader, voted for hillary, or voted for Al Gore as a write in... The result will be the same.... President McCain.

Just my personal opinion. But then again, what do I know?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:09 PM
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95. I'm locking this thread
This is not conducive to the goals of
Democratic Underground.
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