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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:11 PM
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Is Hillary's 3rd comeback already dead in the water?
Eleanor Clift pointed out on the Mclaughlin show that Tuesday was Hillary's third resurrection, the other two being New Hampshire and Super Tuesday. But it looks like her mo didn't even last until the end of the week. Funny how caucuses keep killing her comebacks, isn't it?

p.s. the show was recorded before Obama's Wyoming blowout.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM
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1. Gawd, I hope so...
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:17 PM
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3. If she wins PA that'll make four.
which might give her a chance at veep, so I'm hoping Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown and Erie help out and make sure that doesn't happen.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:18 AM
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51. And losses in IN and NC will kill #4. {nt}
uguu
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM
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2. The Hillary spin machine is in full force - New song for the campaign Don't call it a comeback.
:rofl:
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:25 PM
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11. if she is the nominee
we are toast in november.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:20 PM
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4. What I don't get is Clinton says Obama not wrapping up the nomination proves people have doubts.
Yet couldn't she say the same thing about herself, as well? If the voters wanted her to wrap up the nomination, wouldn't she have done it in Iowa and then in South Carolina and then on Super Tuesday? Had Clinton won South Carolina, this race would've been over for Obama. Had Clinton won a few more key states on Super Tuesday, this race would have been over by now. And yet we're in the same position we were in post-super Tuesday and it doesn't look like Clinton will win, either.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:25 PM
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10. Yeah more reverse psychopathy from the Clinton campaign.
The fact that Obama won Iowa said it all: people have "doubts" about Hillary, and that's putting it politely.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:31 PM
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16. Like Obama says...
hilary will say Anything and change nothing.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:14 AM
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42. Yes, whatever number of people may have doubts regarding Obama ...
... more have doubts (or certainties) regarding Clinton.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:20 PM
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5. congrats on another red state victory where under 9K ppl voted in a state with over 59K reg. dem.
voters. This will work great in the GE when WY goes blue for the first time since 1964.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:22 PM
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8. Apparently McCain isn't doing so well in red states
so you never know. They just might switch in the GE, but not to Hillary.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:35 PM
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19. Wyoming will go blue in the GE? are you fucking serious? will Alaska go blue? how about Utah? how
about Nebraska? how about Kansas? North Dakota? Louisiana? Alabama? Georgia? South Carolina?

they won't switch no matter who the dem nominee is, hate to tell you that.

why did under 9K ppl vote in WY when there are over 59K registered Dems in the state?

He won the pop vote by about 3,400 but Hillary won the popular vote in Ohio by almost 230,000. It's not that WY doesn't count, but your a fool if you think it counts the same as NY, CA, Mass etc.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:41 PM
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22. The blue states will stay blue no matter if it's Hillary or Obama.
No, I don't see any red swing states switching for Hillary in November, but Obama is the crossover magnet, so I think he stands a chance with some of them.

Ohio's elections I frankly don't trust so I'm guessing they'll go for McCain in November no matter what.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:25 PM
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29. Seems pretty clear to me.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:26 PM by OnionPatch
I really don't see us losing any blue states this election. Not with the turnout we've been seeing. We need some red states to make it a big win. Then the new Democratic president will have ....what was it Bush called it...."political capital"! :bounce: (And we intend to spend it!)

Oops, edited for spelling.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 PM
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27. actually curent polls show
NE, ND, and SC on your list in play for Obama OH also shows in Obama's column in a GE.

WY delegates are distributed bases on size, GE history, etc. The formulas may be found here:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D-Alloc.phtml

Your arguments were already taken into consideration at the time the delegates were allocated.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:45 PM
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32. How about VA, NM and CO
Why yes, there's a very good chance that they will, and same with MO and IA. He's beating McCain in all those states.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:26 PM
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12. Way to win over those super delegates at the Convention, Hillary! They'll REALLY want to support
someone who doesn't give a fuck about them.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:29 PM
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15. Smaller red states are worth winning over
because they have disproportionately large representation in the Electoral College.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:33 PM
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18. Oh, I forgot -- Wyoming doesn't count. At least, not as of today.
All states count until Obama wins them; then they don't.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:39 PM
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21. Thanks...congrats on your loss under the same conditions.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:44 PM
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24. Well said.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 PM
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25. I see Hillary supporters talking GE frequently, as if Hillary has a great advantage there,
but by Survey USA polling, Barack not only accumulates more EVs but does it with more decisive victories.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:52 PM
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26. I think right now she's fighting for the Veep spot.
If she racks up enough votes it makes it harder for Obama to say no, but I hope he will. Hillary has done quite enough damage already.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:13 AM
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41. she is taking in 1,000,000 a day and spendning a fraction of that
she is paying back the loan and creating a warchest that will last the rest of her life.

If Obama loses she will have $ 50 million to launch another bid. (she has about $ 29 million in GE funds already)

If she were to be VP she would have to put that into the campaign. aint going to happen
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:47 AM
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54. Why? She going to build her own library and keep her records from being released too?
Oooh, maybe I shouldn't have brought that up.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:49 PM
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34. So, out of the other 50K, Hillary could't find any more to go caucus???
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:51 PM by TahitiNut
That's pitiful. Were they ashamed to go out in public or was the snow too cold and deep to drag their knuckles through?


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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:59 AM
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46. Guess what percent McCain lost the Wyoming election by?
:shrug:

If you guessed 100%, you'd be our winner. :D
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:20 PM
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6. I think so
It doesn't really matter though she didn't get the kind of momentum she needs. The only thing that could save her now is to convince people that Obama isn't a viable option - that he's an also ran without a serious possibility of winning. HRC may take a few more but she needs to take ALL of them by huge margins (65-35 ish) to even have a chance, and she's about to go lose Mississippi.

Obama is still raising funds much faster than she is http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/barackobama...

and as the CBC's washington correspondent put it the other day "One of the worst kept secrets in Washington is that the Clinton campaign is out of money".

So, he just needs to keep doing what he's doing - she'll run out of primaries or run out of funds sooner or later.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:33 PM
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17. She has managed to take some of the luster off
of Obama's candidacy I think, with the Rezko rumors and the red phone commercial, which is disturbing, because she's basically running the dirty campaign McCain has pledged not to, which won't be good for either of them in the GE.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:42 PM
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23. She's scored a few points
But not nearly enough to put him into the "not a serious option" category - not enough that she is going to consistently win by 25-35 points the rest of the way.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:22 PM
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7. Obama is the one who's desperate to make a comeback. Hillary has the momentum, bigtime
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:23 PM
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9. He just did.
He mopped up in Wyoming, likely Mississippi too.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:26 PM
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13. That's the point of the WY victory
It destroys her momentum.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:00 AM
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37. How's delusion feel, anyway?
Describe it to us -- could be educational.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:28 PM
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14. Math keeps killing Hillary's comebacks.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:28 PM by backscatter712
The math problem just got worse for her today.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:36 PM
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20. In a word - yeah!
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:22 PM
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28. Pretty much...I have been done with her since oh, lets say...
1996?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:26 PM
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30. I must have blinked and missed the other two?......
She's been on a downward spiral for a while.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:40 PM
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31. the great comeback
The great Hillary comeback in March will see Obama gaining around 15-20 delegates from last Tuesday until next Tuesday.

That's a comeback I can get behind.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:46 PM
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33. ROFLMAO!!!!!!! You Think Today Meant ANYTHING To ANYBODY????
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh, that's rich!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:57 PM
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35. I don't know...
...if King George can't turn a Red State Blue it probably can't be turned. Perhaps he can accomplish one thing before leaving town?
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:58 PM
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36. Wow
What a shitty thing to say.

I'd like to think that it meant something to our fellow Democratic brothers and sisters in Wyoming. Wouldn't you?

It meant something to the Obama team because it equates to more delegates.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:09 AM
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38. Please, Don't Read People's Posts In A Vacuum.
The posts don't stand alone. They are in relation to other posts that need to be read for context. If you take them in a vacuum, it can lead to your being misguided or inaccurate in your perceptions.

In this case, I was replying to the OP. The context of the OP was about momentum, and her having lost it. In relation to that context, my reply is laughing my ass off at the wildly irrational ideal, since as it relates to momentum, today meant nothing to anybody, period.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:12 AM
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40. That is ridiculous.
You either purposefully put down Wyoming or you were too busy clicking the button for the animated graphic to even think of how your message would be interpreted.

It's not the reader that is misguided, it's a poorly communicated post.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:15 AM
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43. No, It Was Pretty Obvious.
In an OP screaming out about losing her momentum, a blatant post of mockery saying it meant nothing, obviously would mean it meant nothing as it relates to the momentum of the two. You obviously need to work on your reading comprehension skills, and need to work on not reading posts in a vacuum as well.

OP: About momentum. My reply: About momentum.

Geez, I hope I don't need to spoonfeed ya all the time...
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:42 AM
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55. Here is the problem, OMC
DU has become full of anger and hate lately. You are a veteran poster and have very good things to add to many conversations. Don't add to the insanity around here.

I fear that we have lost the 2008 race. There is too much anger between the Clinton and Obama camps. It is not just here, but in the real world of the Democratic base too. I don't see Clinton supporters coming out for Obama nor do I see the reverse. I have seen some nasty primary fights in the past, but this one takes the cake. It is slash and burn all the way.

I used to chalk up the nasty threads to trolls, but that's not the case anymore. There is genuine disgust between the two camps. I don't see us as a party getting over this.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:12 AM
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39. Eleanor's wrong on the number. There have been 2 comebacks...
... New Hampshire and this last Tuesday. Super Tuesday was, by all estimates, a sound Obama victory. Hillary was projected to win Super Tuesday, but Obama managed to beat her on all fronts.

As for New Hampshire and this last week, note that her comebacks are precipitated by projection of victimization at the hands of the media. Hillary would be done if she weren't doing so damn well on the pity front.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:34 AM
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44. Good point. Super Tuesday wasn't a Clinton blowout,
but she won enough to stay in the race: CA, MA, NJ, New Mexico, Arizona, Arkansas, OK, and Tennessee, according to CNN. Obama won the other thirteen states, but it was a pretty good night for Hillary.

link: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/date...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:52 AM
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45. But who won more? I thought Obama won more states, more delegates, more votes? no? n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:02 AM
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48. I think you're right on all three.
I guess it was a comeback only in that it wasn't a shutout, but it got spun as a comeback and the CA and MA wins were all over the airwaves.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:11 AM
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49. That's my point. Somehow it's a comeback for Hillary ...
... even though she had predicted that the election would be over following Super Tuesday. Obama's showing was a slight numerical victory, but a massive moral victory.

Did the NY Giants lose their underdog status during the Super Bowl when the took the lead, on the scoreboard, over the heavily favored Patriots? Answer: no. The Giants remained the underdog, regardless of the score, though the momentum and score swung back and forth.

How is the DLC/establishment candidate now the underdog?
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:02 AM
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47. Meh. Hillary is a dead candidate walking. Its looking more and more like MI and FL
wont count, and if they do it wont be enough in Hillary's favor. The only option she has is to beg the superdelegates to give her the nomination, and I don't think they will. What's their rationale? After PA, there's IN and NC which will probably go to Obama. Then they split the states until montanan and south dakota which Obama will probably win. No, I think Hillary is a dead candidate. The only thing she can do is try to bash Obama, but this is good for Obama as he can expect this in the general election, and he may need to be vetted more.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:13 AM
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50. has anybody tried sunlight or a wooden stake?
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:37 AM
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52. Super Tuesday was a Hillary comeback...?
really? wasn't she favored to win Super Tuesday? prior to it both had 2 wins (and Hillary had 2 more including Florida). how the heck was that a comeback?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:43 AM
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53. Does this mean that Hillary is the vampire candidate?
And unless someone has a wooden stake, she's going to rise out of her campaign coffin again.

Well, why not.

I see Nader the Zombie is back on the campaign trail.
Someone forgot to lock his crypt. Again.

LoL
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:55 AM
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56. LOL Great MO Hillary!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
But hey, it was a great 3 days eh? :rofl:

Time for an emergency call to SNL and the MSM, Hill! :rofl:

I have noticed a disturbing trend in the MSM of totally ignoring Obama's win in Wyoming, ignoring the Mississippi election tomorrow and acting like the next and only contest is Pennsylvania.

They ignore Obama's victories to focus on states that Hillary has a chance in.

How much is Penn payin those talking heads anyway?
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