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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM
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Ras. poll shows Obama beating McCain in CO, IA, MI, MN, NV, NH, OR, PA, and WI
while Hillary loses to McCain in all those states. He ALSO does better against McCain than Hillary in NM, OH, SD, and VA: http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/ele...
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:57 PM
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1. What was that argument about Hillary's 'electability', again?
I'm not seeing it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:01 PM
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5. Yeah. Neither am I.
:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:03 PM
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8. Kerry couldn't lose either, according to Rasmussen. Consider the source.
I think those guys are about as inaccurate as they come. Of course, when the news favors one's own favorite, there's a desire to "believe" even if they have a shitty track record. From their April reports four years ago:

Rasmussen Reports daily tracking poll finds Kerry with his biggest lead over President Bush since Kerry became the Democratic frontrunner:

Bush 42%
Kerry 48%
Other 5%
Not Sure 5%

Todays result represents a nine-point net gain for Kerry since April 1. Rasmussen attributes the Kerry gain to the trouble in Iraq which is offsetting the good economic news.
http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/011446.html
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:06 PM
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11. I got the source from a Hillary supporter right here at the DU.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:08 PM
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12. As I said downthread, I don't care if they have Bozo up by ten, I don't believe them.
They're a GOP outfit. If they say it, it's probably untrue or skewed in such a way to benefit GOP candidates.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:20 PM
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25. Kerry was just on the outside of margin of error, and I'm still not convinced he lost Ohio.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:34 AM
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39. I am not talking about the end of the line, I'm talking about "around this time" four years ago.
That was BEFORE the Swiftboating kicked in full bore, before the sing-song Fliiiiip-Flooooooooooop was heard everywhere. I'm not convinced he blew Ohio either, but the point is, if you listened to the pollsters and pundits around this time four years ago, he was gonna sail over the finish line without breaking a sweat.

Kerry was touted as "cruising to victory" and all ready to "report for duty." The crowing here ahead of the event was something, too, and anyone who piped up and said "Er, don't count those chickens, there's still work to do" was told, in classic DU fashion, that they were a freeper and needed to STFU.

It's all just a little bit of history repeating....

We get nowhere without work. No matter who ends up with the nom, this is going to be a HARD slog, one that a combined ticket might make slightly easier, but wouldn't assure.

Assumptions at this stage are simply foolish and premature, is all I'm saying.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:26 AM
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36. I wasn't aware that there was one. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:57 PM
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2. Rasmussen, eh? Trust them about as far as you can throw them.
They'll recalibrate after BO gets the nom....OOOPS, we were a bit "off" weren't we?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:02 PM
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6. Yeah. I started following those polls when a Hillary supporter posted a poll from Ras. months ago.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:05 PM
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10. I don't care if they have Bozo the Clown ten points up, I don't believe them.
They're ALWAYS wrong, right up until the end, and then VOILA! They pull out their "real" data and "claim victory" based on it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:08 PM
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13. Oh well. I'll be on the lookout for you posting on any pro-Hillary Rasmussen polls posted here.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:10 PM
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15. Keep one eye open all you'd like. I don't trust those guys, they're ALWAYS wrong. NT
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:57 PM
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3. That's why Rush told voters in TX to go vote for Hill...
... so McCain can win in Nov... and they can get schadenfreude over watching Hill eat shit. (The true Repuke wet dream).
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:03 PM
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7. I know. And the dittoheads followed his orders.
Laura Ingraham was on Faux bragging about it.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:52 PM
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29. Man... I am still STEAMING over that! nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 PM
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4. but according to one wise sage of a poster, no working class whites will vote for him.
I guess there are no working class whites in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:04 PM
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9. That was kind of disproven (again) TODAY.
Much to Hillary's supporters' dismay.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:18 PM
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24. 8600 votes with about 5000 for Obama in election that excluded the day shift means what?
61% - hang your hat on that - it sounds more impressive - but don't mention Dem voter registration in this GOP state.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:20 PM
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26. You (and Hillary) can try to dismiss every loss she has. But she really TRIED in WY to pull an
"upset" and FAILED. :rofl:
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:09 PM
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14. kick
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:10 PM
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16. BUT SHE WINS IN NJ!
lol
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:11 PM
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17. The "deer camp" demographic does her in.
Shit, I grew up in Michigan in a family full of Indie/Dem, gun-toting white males and this is what I've been saying would happen all along.

The Midwestern way of thinking is simply not conducive to a Clinton victory versus McCain.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:42 PM
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18. Yup.
The fact that he whooped her in WHYOMING today, CHENEY Country, says it all.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:45 PM
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19. This won't help Hillary win any super delegates.
I expect that freeze she supposedly put on them on Tuesday will be melting shortly.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:14 PM
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21. LOL - a site that pushes Mike Barone will be trusted as unbiased? Other
state by state polls are quite different - Raz gives no sources or dates -
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:17 PM
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22. I agree. I think his big wins today and coming up Tuesday will have those
superdelegates flowing his way.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:50 PM
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20. Swing states don't count!
Right?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:18 PM
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23. That's right. No states count unless Hillary SAYS they count.
I wonder how all the people who caucused for her feel when she disses caucuses after each loss!
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:21 PM
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27. wow! hows that for electability!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:25 PM
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28. Looks like he's gonna win the GE in a landslide! Wait 'til the Indies discover how RW
he has become in order to please the Repub. base! Strict constructionist judges? I don't think Indies and Dems. will be voting for him when Nov. comes around!
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:53 PM
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30. Latest national GE polls show Hillary beats McCain, Obama ties McCain
pollster.com
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:05 PM
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31. um she beats him by only 2 points. what does that tell you? that tells you her
kitchen sink strategy is not only kneecapping Obama, but shes also kneecapping herself! Just last week she was 6 pts ahead of McCain. This negative shit has really got to stop or we will lose the whitehouse no matter WHO it is.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:05 PM
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32. You mean the one where she beats him by one point?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:06 PM by jenmito
Oops-I guess it's TWO whole points. It means nothing. MOE.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:24 PM
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34. pollster.com? That's NOT what it says
You got that backwards.
From polster.com:

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:29 AM
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37. And I'm sure President Gore is very glad that elections are determined by national popular vote
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:12 PM
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33. Hillary BEATS McCain after a solid year of MSM attack ads aimed at her 24-7
See my (so far) three part journal "The Press v. Hillary Clinton". They can not cram any more attack ads into the week than have been launching at her already and she is still ahead of old "I spent Vietnam in a box so you owe me".

The woman has been vetted forward and back.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:33 PM
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35. Hillary has yet to be vetted. Don't worry. It's coming.
She's being asked to disclose her tax returns and documents showing what she did as first lady, etc.
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istopforcookies Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:31 AM
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38. So Senator Clinton should drop out?
Not a chance.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:03 PM
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40. No. She should stop praising McCain while reducing Obama to "a speech."
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 01:05 PM by jenmito
But if she DOESN'T stop harming our party, yes, she SHOULD drop out (even though I don't know how you got that out of my post).
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