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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:39 PM
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Hillary supporters - I don't get it. Why is Hillary STILL in the race?
She's bleeding superdelegates, she lost WY and expected to lose MS and is literally wasting the Democratic Party's time with her campaign when we should be focusing on the General Election. She has lost in the delegate race and has literally no way to catch up. Why the hell is Hillary still in? Is Hillary deliberating destroying the Democratic Party?

Well, if that is the case, then the Democratic Party needs not only force her out, but demand her Democratic Party card and go the way of Joe "Fuck you Democrats" Lieberman.

She is literally pulling a Lieberman right now, and it's disgusting. Are the Hillary supporters of one track mind?

Answer my questions, thanks.

Hawkeye-X
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Obamaniac Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:39 PM
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1. Ego, hubris, spite...
Take your pick.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 PM
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2. I think DU should declare it over
This is nonsense. She can't win and won't win. It's mathematically impossible.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 PM
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3. Good question.. Aside of acting as a McCain spoiler, whats the point of her
staying in the race at this point?
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:42 PM
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4. To permanently destroy her credibility and future viability? n/t
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:42 PM
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5. Hmmm. Let me think
She's ahead of him in the Democratic vote and the overall popular vote.

New Network Estimates: Hillary Now Leads Sen. Obama in Popular Vote

ABC & NBC reporting that Hillarys received thousands more votes than Sen. Obama in this years contests

Hillary Clinton has received more votes than anyone else running for President this year, Democrat or Republican, according to new estimates from ABC and NBC News. The new numbers -- bolstered by decisive wins in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island. Following are the latest estimates from the networks:

ABC: Hillary Clinton has received 13,568,891 votes so far in primaries and caucuses while Sen. Obama has received 13,565,339.

NBC/MSNBC: Hillary Clinton has received 13,521,832 votes so far in primaries and caucuses while Sen. Obama has received 13,497,175.

In addition to the overall lead in votes, Hillary holds a significant lead in votes among Democrats. Hillary has received nearly 10.3 million votes among Democrats so far while Sen. Obama has received 9.2 million.

As we head to Pennsylvania --that gap will only widen.

Obama will have a lead in pledged delegates --but not by anything that will matter much in a brokered convention.
Hillary with her bigger State wins, will have a compelling case to make.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Obama is leading the popular vote, not Hillary
Popular Vote Total - -

Obama: 13,005,114*

Clinton: 12,414,786

Not counting FL and MI at this time....

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
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15. why is your info better than mine?
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. Because it's accurate?
Whatever polls you found is wrong, actually.

You keep including MI and FL, which is factually wrong.

Hawkeye-X
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
45. No, it isn't. Michigan and Florida will be seated at the
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:13 PM by greyghost
convention. PERIOD
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. The might get chairs
but they won't get a vote in at least the first ballot, unless something is worked out.

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #45
61. Not without a revote. Even that doesn't help McClinton.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 PM
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70. Not a chance.
America's not a banana republic (yet). With Obama's name left off the ballot in Michigan and no campaigning allowed in Florida, those elections simply aren't valid.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Its funny you said the same thing 4 different times in order to make it seem that there were
substantial reasons for her to still be in the race. And do you have a link to any of those estimates?

Also, I should mention, that the process is not made to win the popular vote, its made to win the delegates. Sorry Clinton is losing so badly in that arena. Its the only one that counts.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. not by enough to build a solid case for Obama
sorry
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #20
37. OK. What would make you switch over to Obama then?
I'm listening..
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #37
88. I'll vote for him if he is the nominee
Not sure what you mean by "switch over".

Is he running in a different Party?
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:03 PM
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47. Less then 100 isn't badly.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. At this stage? Hell yes it is. The math isn't there for her to make it up.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #47
75. It'll probably be more than 100 probably 100-175 more.
but lets assume 75, shall we?

75 is about 9.5% of the Super Delegates. Which would mean she would need almost 60% of the Super delegates.

100 is about 12.6% of the Super delegates. Which would mean she would need almost 63% of the super delegates

125 is about 15.7% of the Super Delegates. Which would mean she would need almost 66% of the Super Delegates

150 is about 18.8% of the Super Delegates. Which means she would need almost 69% of the Super Delegates

175 is about 22% of the Super delegates. Which means she would need almost 72% of the Super Delegates.


But lets look at where the super delegates stand, now, OK? That should give you an advantage right? Obama 210 to Clinton 242 with 344 remaining

If Obama comes in with a pledged delegate lead of:

75 Subtracting Clinton's 32 Super delegate lead = 43. 43 is 12.5% of the remaining super delegates. This means she would need 63.5% of the remaining Super Delegates.

100 Subtracting Clinton's 32 Super delegate lead = 68. 68 is 19.8% of the remaining super delegates. This means she would need 69.8% of the remaining Super Delegates.

125 Subtracting Clinton's 32 Super delegate lead = 93. 93 is 27% of the remaining super delegates. This means she would need 77% of the remaining Super Delegates.

150 Subtracting Clinton's 32 Super delegate lead = 118. 118 is 34.3% of the remaining super delegates. This means she would need 84.3% of the remaining Super Delegates.

175 Subtracting Clinton's 32 Super delegate lead = 143. 143 is of the remaining super delegates. This means she would need 91.6% of the remaining Super Delegates.



As you can see, less than 100 is still pretty bad In fact it is pretty dismal. It is pretty hard to believe that 60% or more of the Super Delegates are going to overturn the pledged delegate counts. I have yet to see a realistic scenario in when she comes to Denver with less than a 100 delegate deficit, and I have yet to hear anargument compelling enough to make a 20% margin of super delegates giving the second place candidate the nomination.

If you would like to try to creat one, start here:

http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter /

Please post your scenario and Then describe realistic arguments that could be used to sway that many Super delegates so that both the scenario and the arguments can be examined.

Thanks







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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
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6. "Answer my questions, thanks."
:eyes:
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. That's all you have to say?
I asked an honest question, and you give me that?

No wonder why Hillary has one-track minded supporters like yourself.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #12
50. Give me a break. I'm at the point that I want to see Obama lose
just to shut you people up.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Then you don't belong in DU then.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. I've been a Dem since McGovern and you idiots aren't pushing
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:19 PM by greyghost
me ANYWHERE. If Obama makes it he gets my vote. If he doesn't I get to laugh at Obamabots. Right now that seems like more fun.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #52
78. WTF are you talking about? This is still the primaries
and anyone has a right to express that they want to see Obama lose.

The rules change when the Primaries are over.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:18 AM
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91. Thank you
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
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7. She lost WY? Oh my, out of the 7000 voters that went
to vote in WY she lost by 2000 votes. WY doesn't decide who our candidate is. It's not over, that's why she doesn't get out. duh
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 PM
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18. Don't you get it? Hillary had to SWEEP after Wisconson. She can no longer afford to lose anything
and she's losing everything. When is she going to start winning things? Now that its too late?
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:57 PM
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33. She has won all the big states where the population is.
Super delegates can change their minds AGAIN back to her and she can still win.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. That was recently debunked.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:07 PM
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53. Debunked by what ? Wishful thinking doesn't count, the heavily
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:07 PM by greyghost
populated states do mean more.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. You're kidding yourself. She lost Texas, she lost VA, she lost IL, the list goes on and on
Super Delegates are about to end this in Obama's favor.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM
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60. Yeah, sure they are.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
35. so you just insulted Democrats in Wyoming & you think their super delegates will support Clinton
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #7
92. yea, to Hillary WY is another don't matter state...
you can't win the general election with the arrogance displayed by Hillary Clinton.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
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8. cause she has over half of the voter so far. How silly can you be? not keeping updated are you!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:59 PM
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38. she is still losing the popular vote.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #38
77. nope---
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM
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10. So her husband can shill for her on the Rush Limbaugh show.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM
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11. So she can support Mc Same........
The money is coming in and she does not want that to change. She is a 'MONSTER' in politics and we must and will break the chain this year or we are doomed!!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
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13. And McCain's poll numbers have risen since Hillary threw the kitchen sink
Hillary is hell-bent on stealing the nomination, or seeing the Democrats lose in November.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
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14. 2012
That's why she's supporting McCain - he's unlikely to be a two-termer.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
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16. I'm going with "sense of entitlement" and "selfcenteredness"
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 PM
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19. Why? Because she's a true Democrat and you're a World Class fool
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. A "true" Democrat like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller?
Hillary endorsed McCain's bona fides for the Presidency, much as Lieberman and Miller endorsed Bush.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. John Kerry asked McCain to be his VP in June 2004! Gore had Lieberman....now what?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:54 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM
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30. That had to be the most embarrassing Democratic moment EVER when Kerry courted McCain
John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, has repeatedly and personally asked Senator John McCain, the independent-minded Arizona Republican, to consider being his running mate, but Mr. McCain has refused, people who have spoken to both men said Friday.

Mr. Kerry, the Massachusetts senator, made his first direct overtures to Mr. McCain about three weeks after locking up the Democratic nomination in March and approached him again, in person or by telephone, as many as seven times, as recently as last week

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0D8...
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #30
43. Except you got it completely backwards.
Kerry said that McCain APPROACHED him, not Kerry for VP slot.

Here's the evidence:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/4/3/11936/97033
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. Only an Obamawhiner would take some poster's word from MyDD over the NY Times. LMFAO
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM by mtnsnake
John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, has repeatedly and personally asked Senator John McCain, the independent-minded Arizona Republican, to consider being his running mate, but Mr. McCain has refused, people who have spoken to both men said Friday.

Mr. Kerry, the Massachusetts senator, made his first direct overtures to Mr. McCain about three weeks after locking up the Democratic nomination in March and approached him again, in person or by telephone, as many as seven times, as recently as last week

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0D8...

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
46. It would have been more respectable for Kerry to do "recruiting" for a partner in an airport
restroom, by tapping his feet.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. ROFL
:thumbsup:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
42. Kerry never offered him the VP, though McCain has occasionally lied and said he did
He also has said he didn't. This is a McCain problem.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #42
81. No official offer was made, but Kerry courted him for it & he never denied that
to this day.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #81
94. that was NOT Kerry's story ever
The only Kerry comment was that the McCain people reached out to his people - and that it ended well before it began - when McCain was not interested in becoming a Democrat. This was well before Iowa and there was no offer of a VP. It was always rumor - with quotes from Biden (on it being interesting - not that Kerry would do it or had offered it) and lots of pushing it and a claim that Bush in 2000 really wanted McCain from the McCain people. Part of why it took on a life of its own was that the media had their pollsters poll it and it did exceptionally well. The media who liked McCain - far more than Kerry or any Democrat - was intrigued by it and they pushed it.

The only direct Kerry comment was in 2006 when he was asked - it was clear that that was from the time when the Democrats were courting McCain to follow Jeffords. In 2004, he said nothing.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. True Democrat? I don't think so.
Hillary endorsing McCain in a different is not exactly what I had in mind in True Democrat.

Hillary has been throwing everything and playing Rove's playbook to the hilt. That is not a True Democrat.

Staying in the race is not a True Democrat - she is a Clintoncrat and of one track mind, and further damaging her credibility and responsibility.

Furthermore, She is on the Leadership Team of Al "I'm a Secret Republican" From's DLC.

DLC is dead to me, and has always been dead to me.

come on mtnsnake, come on - what's wrong with Obama that you STILL have to stay with Hillary?

I'm waiting...

Hawkeye-X
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. I counted 4 lies in your post. When you stop lying, maybe I'll answer your question. n/t
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. Uh-huh. What lies are you claiming?
and do you have factual evidence to back it up?

I'm waiting.

Hawkeye-X
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. They're in the first four sentences of your previous post
Hillary endorsing McCain in a different is not exactly what I had in mind in True Democrat.

Hillary has been throwing everything and playing Rove's playbook to the hilt. That is not a True Democrat.

Staying in the race is not a True Democrat - she is a Clintoncrat and of one track mind, and further damaging her credibility and responsibility.

Furthermore, She is on the Leadership Team of Al "I'm a Secret Republican" From's DLC.


1- Hillary never endorsed McCain in the sense you and all the other Obamawhiners are talking.

2- Hillary has NOT been playing Rove's playbook just because you say she is. If she is, then Obama is, too.

3- Hillary IS a true Democrat. She does NOT have a one track mind, and she is not further damaging her credibility just because you and all the other sore losers say so.

4- She is not a "Secret Republican". That is just ridiculous.

BTW, speaking of the DLC there's a reason why Obama is so high on their list of interesting people. It's because his agenda during this campaign is more DLC than anyone elses by far. His "reaching out to Republicans" theme is DLC to the core.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. True Democrats don't endorse republican candidates.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. John Kerry asked McCain to be his VP in June 2004! Gore had Lieberman......Obama loves repukes
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. This is your excuse for Hillary's most shameful moment (which is saying a lot)?
McCain wasn't running against Kerry in 04, he was reaching out for a unity ticket and was raked over the coals for it

Liberman was a decent democrat in 00.

McCain is the republican nominee for President in 08. Hillary is a dopey DINO.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:50 PM
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22. latest super delegate count Hillary leads and we'll see ya in PA!
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Superdelegate Comparison

Clinton

DCW 243

CNN 238

CBS 245

AP 242

Obama

DCW 203

CNN 199

CBS 201

AP 210

Updated 3/7/2008
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #22
65. Lovely, simply lovely.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:54 PM
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28. They stay there because their candidate is getting votes and to ANNOY...YOU!
:D....
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM
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31. Because she likes a challenge and does not quit when the going gets tough?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM
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32. Well, part of the reason is because voters like me want her to stay in the race.
There are so many things that can happen in this freaky election, why give up just because the other side says to? Why make it easy for Obama; if he's so tough, let's see what he's made of in the long run.

Also, if Obama is going to be the nominee, AFAIC, that light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train wreck. I would like to postpone that as long as possible.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:00 PM
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41. "so many things that can happen". Like what?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:08 PM
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54. Use your imagination.
For instance, who would have imagined when McCain was tanking to the bottom of the pit that he would be the GOP nominee. Rudy looked like the sure thing.

Maybe Michelle will slip and use the "B" word against Hillary or another gaffe that irritates rural voters. Maybe another Obama campaign advisor will highlight a curious ambiguity. Maybe Bill will have a stroke and Hillary will simply cease campaigning to be with him. Maybe Obama will have a sudden illness.

On and on. Campaigns are vulnerable to the vagaries of fate.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 PM
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34. Hillary is still in the race to ruin Obama's chances, and position herself for 2012.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:04 PM
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48. I don't think so. She already damaged herself for 2012
and noone will be endorsing Hillary for 2012. She'll be a New York junior senator for the rest of her life until she quits (probably in 2012, defeated by a progressive Democrat).

Hawkeye-X
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM
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59. Because we need at least one Democrat in the race
n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:13 PM
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62. Since when do democrats endorse people like John McCain??
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jalynn Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:41 PM
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79. She
Never endorsed McCain. That is really getting old. She stated her & McCain had experience & Obabma had a speech, how is that an endorsement? You Obama supporters need to get a grip on reality.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:43 PM
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82. She very clearly endorsed McCain over Democratic front runner Obama
The video shows it all, you can't lie around this one.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 PM
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63. BINGO
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:31 PM
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74. Then why does she always lose the most liberal counties in each state? nt
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Johnny Potpie Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:15 PM
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64. Mark my words
Despite the will of the voters, Hillary will try to steal the nomination at all costs. The delegate process means nothing to her and her supporters. The problem with some of her supporters is that they can't or won't see how insulted many of us Democrats are that Hillary would endorse a warmongering Rethuglican before she would support another fellow democrat who has at his core an agenda for peace, education, and healthcare for all. I'm totally offended by her actions and words to this end, and will never vote for Hillary even if she manages to steal the nomination from Obama who has rightfully earned it.

GO AWAY HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!You can't catch up now!!!! :grr: :nuke: :nuke: :grr:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:17 PM
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67. Because of the superdelegates, the pledged delegates have little say in tight races.
That's how the process works.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:17 PM
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66. Because she wants to win and the MSM is allowing her to stay in.
The MSM could get her out of the race in an instant if it so wanted, but it wants this to go to the convention. It wants FL and MI to matter. It wants the superdelegates to have to decide between a 200 delegate split. It wants the popular vote to be the opposite way.

It wants, essentially, to drag this out for as long as possible. And for better or for worse, Hillary goes along because, surprisingly, she wants to win.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:18 PM
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68. She's running for the VP slot
or for her 2012 entry. Take your pick.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:19 PM
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69. Because she CAN win. Perfectly fairly.
After PA, FL and MI (revotes), she might win the popular vote.

If this happens, superdelegates will probably flock to her. That is perfectly in the rules. That is not stealing, that is perfectly fair and within all rules. That is why she should stay in.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 PM
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71. Exactly
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:25 PM
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72. You need to travel to Chappaqua and play that Roy Orbinson
tune under her window:

It's OVER
It breaks your heart in two
But oh what will you do
When he (Obama) says to you
There's somebody new
It's truuuuuuuuuuue,
It's OVER, It's OVER, It's OVER.

All the rainbows in the sky,
Start to weep then say goodbye,
You won't be seeing rainbows any more,

It's OVER!
It's OVER!
It's OVER!

da da da da da! da da da da da!

Let's us know how it goes, Hawkeye! See you when you get back.

Sam
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:28 PM
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73. Roy wrote Pretty Woman with Hillary in mind
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:37 PM
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76. Hillary is beutiful.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:31 PM
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83. I just fucking threw up in my mouth...n/t
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:42 PM
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80. I'm going to pop some corn...I'll be right back...anyone want some?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:35 PM
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84. she's winning it, that's why
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istopforcookies Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:42 PM
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85. Because I want to vote for her
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 PM by istopforcookies
I want to vote for Senator Clinton.

Not Mrs. Clinton.

Not Billary.

Not Shillary.

Not Her Thighness.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I do not want to vote for Senator Barack Obama.

He supports bigotry against women, lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, and transgendered.

Go Senator Clinton Go!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:51 PM
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86. here is just 1 reason...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:54 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Obama is running on a promise of withdrawal in 16 months, not "best case scenario 16 months."

S. Powers tell us that Obama is making promises he can't keep.

He's a lightweight on foreign policy and given the fact that we're entrenched in two wars that aren't going well, it would be reckless to elect him.

After much deliberation and research,

I completely support Hillary.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:40 PM
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87. I am an obama supporter
But... Bleeding super delegates? She is up from where she was a week ago.

Other than that, I agree. It is time for her to figure out how to reduce the antipathy she has created. For the good of the country. The democratic party is nice and all, but it kinda looses meaning if we fuck the country in the process. And thats what a McCain presidency is.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:47 PM
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89. Because She'd Make The Better President, Has More Support Among Democrats, And Can Still Win.
I'd say those reasons are more than good enough.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:53 PM
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90. I am NOT a Hillary supporter, but, mathematically it is still POSSIBLE
Mathematically, she has not been completely eliminated yet. And she will continue to stay in for that reason.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:27 AM
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93. ? is it ok if your candidate finally has to run against someone. wtf is your guys' problem...
with him having to run for the nomination?
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