Daily random total of negative threads

[Cheswick2.0]

Daily random total of negative threads

Negative threads about Dean on front page: 10

Negative threads about others (in this case Kerry) 1

[Democrats unite]

1. Must ne getting slow areound here.

eom

on edit: I must have a different page than you. I see the count differently.

[meow mix]

3. eyes rolling more

and theres never any negative attack threads on clark?

heres a few samples to get your research started..ill help.
THEY FROM YESTERDAY.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=46785

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=47006&mesg_id=47006

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=46249&mesg_id=46249


sorry you feel so sad ches, but it goes both ways.
i would try toughening up.

[Cheswick2.0]

4. you found 3 negative threads about Clark from the whole day?

LOL, thanks for making my point

[meow mix]

6. nope just a quick sampling

do your own research.

[quinnox]

2. So

n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. That means you can take the day off.

:toast:

[cyclezealot]

7. Are we too sensitive.?

I get skeptical about other peoples' sensitivities. This is not a business for the thin skinned. I have been proud of my candidate Kucinich...Every percieved 'attack' was strictly issue oriented. I can not recall as of yet, one personal attack.. Issues are to be and must be explored. That makes the process worthwhile.
Dean to me is soft on some issues but I do not approve of Liebermann or Kerry's attack manner. I expected more from Kerry.
I myself attack those who do not adequately give the American people added security when it comes to my prime issues. Health Care and Job losses..If a Democratic Administration does not solve this, I find the whole reason for the election less important.
I berate those who do not solve this problem and state I would not be very motivated to work hard,but those attacks are not personal nor would I say I might Not vote for them... If a candidate does not solve my primary issues, I have every right to not feel too energetic. But that does not mean as I Democrat,I will go public on some soap box and needlessly disparage my parties' candidate.
That being said, should a Democratic candidate like betray a prime issue like Civil Liberties( ie. Libermann is a member of a Academic Review Committee that screens academics for treasonous behavior-that I am skeptical of- a co-member is Dick Cheney's wife) , then in that matter, what I do in the voting booth is my business.

[edzontar]

8. Empirically, I would say that anti-Dean threads outnumber ALL

Other attack threads--COMBINED.

Very few aimed as Gebhardt, Kerry, Kucinich, Edwards,Sharpton, CMB, I presume because they are perceived as not likely to win and/or boring (mostly DG).

(I am not counting Lieberman, since almost everyone seems to be against him, and deservedly so).

Clark seems to be the statistical number 2 in number of attacks received.

This position probably reflects his emerging number two status in the race, and the suspicion that his candidacy has generated among long-term and progressive Dems.

But around half of the threads that I have seen could be described as retaliation or satires directed at Clark from annoyed members of the Dean camp.

Why? Because most of the attacks on Dean have come from self-described Clark supporters.

In descending order, the others seem to come from disgruntled Kerry supporters (whose decline has benefited Dean the most) and disgruntled Kucinich supporters (who feel their candidate is the TRUE anti-war standard-bearer.

Of course, we can presume that at least some of the attacks also come from troll, disguised as Dems....these folks' goal is to damage the front-runner (and most likely nominee) for the general election.

Still I would say that attacks on Dean outnumber attacks on, say, Clark, by at least 50 percent and probably, as often as not, on a 10 to 1 basis.

[Padraig18]

9. 5:1, at minimum.

10:1 wouldn't be an outrageous over-estimation, though. :hi:

[Scott Lee]

21. They know this. They just can't be led to admit it.

no biggie.

[Cheswick2.0]

23. Agreed Ed

I would say you are just about exactly right.

[wyldwolf]

10. Could it be because...

Dean keeps providing everyone with fresh material?

The most that can be done concerning negativite threads on the other candidates is to drag up old stories to divert from Dean's fresh ones and constant anti-candidate hit and run sniping in positive threads, for example:

its a shame the KLA terroists can't vote in Democratic primaries, or Clark would have more than single digits nationally.

from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=48873

[Padraig18]

11. It's only 'fresh material' when...

... you have the handy-dandy "Supporters Guide to Spin, Distortion and Out-of-Context Statements" close at hand, 90% of the time.:eyes:

[wyldwolf]

12. I think the "out of context" bit is a bit overdone.

Deans's ad WAS misleading:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=49199&mesg_id=49199

Dean's "I'm the only candidate from a farm state" is a direct quote and in context

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=46852&mesg_id=46852

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. Nits.

You're now picking on nits.

Non-issues if I've ever seen non-issues.

[Cheswick2.0]

15. when nits are all you have

I guess you have no choice but to pick them

[wyldwolf]

17. Only nits to Dean supporters...

The other Dems they effect take them more seriously.

Dean suddenly finds religion?

nit pic!

Puts out a misleading ad?

nit pic!

Only candidate talking about race?

nit pic!

Only one from a farm state?

nit pic!

[edzontar]

13. No--it is because he is the frontrunner, mainly

And thus is the most conspicuous obstacle standing between other folk's preferred candidate.

And yes, that attatck line against Clark is disgusting.

I don not support or defend those kinds of things at all, ever....

But then, having been labelled a member of a "Mob" driven by "hate" and a desire for "destruction," and my candidate a Saddam-lover, a Nazi, a Communist, a Fascist, a Liar, a Hater, a tool of the Israel lobby, it is hard for me to sympathize--at least, not today.

[Scott Lee]

16. Hey, blame Wesley Clark. It was his bumbling that helped empower them

which I posted on a now locked thread. You have to be able to look at the truth of your candidate before you sign on to him. I cannot endorse, as my first choice, a guy who bungled something that caused this much bloodshed (and continues to).

Wesley Clark was a great general. He's an awfull politician.

[wyldwolf]

18. Blame Clark for Dean's "foot in mouth" syndrome?

Blame Clark for Dean supporters only having old and already discussed over and over material to pull out as a ploy to divert from fresh Dean gaffes?

Right. :eyes:

[Scott Lee]

19. Blame Clark for failure to pass a crucial test in politics.

The Kosovo/KLA snafu was pivotal. It proved that Clark is a great general but a lousy politician.

Sorry 'bout that.

[wyldwolf]

24. No, the apologies are all mine....

More reliance on unproven conspiratorial allegations in an effort to divert from Dean's foot-in-mouth disease.

Same story from ya' just a different night.

Sory 'bout that!

[lurk_no_more]

26. So you feel compelled

to tell everyone here that the people of Kosovo, the ones that lived through what happened, the same ones that just recently mobbed Clinton to thank him when he was there, the same ones that even today hold what Clark did over there with such gratitude, were/are wrong and that they are no better off now than they were before because you read and posted an internet article over here in the US that says they are wrong, that things are worse and that Clark should be tried for war crimes.

You really shouldn't take your opinion so seriously since that is all it is, an opinion based on an article you read on the internet.

I have talked to people personally that were there at the time and everyone of them said that were it not for General Clark, that they have no doubt that they would not be here today, to them there was no other option to stop the bloodshed as quickly as it was, to them they just wanted it to stop.

I for one have looked into Clark before I signed on to support him, just as I did of the others I don't support, I'm not STARry-eyed about Clark and I'm not ashamed at anything I've read or heard of what he's done and I believe wholeheartedly that of all the candidates he is the only one that can and will beat bush.

I may be wrong, but as with my support for Clark, I can live with that.


” JAFO”

[xultar]

20. Please list what you feel qualifies as Negative,,,,n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

22. I am almost positive you are smart enough to figure that out

but thanks for kicking the thread.

[wyldwolf]

25. What is negative to some Dean supporters:

Not ignoring it when Dean does something newsworthy.
Pointing out a Dean gaffe - especially new ones that are happenning more and more frequently.

We should all just ignore them. The press is out to get Dean. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.