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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:17 PM
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How is the Clinton campaign going to spin this one
Clinton lost Wyoming and now Obama has won twice as many states as Clinton. How is Clinton's campaign going to spin this one?

"Oh, Wyoming is a small state."

"We didn't expect to win."

"I win the big ones that count" (Obama will win most of those too against McCain

"We're moving on to Pennsylvania!"

Will the media play her campaigns spin incessantly? (Is using the pronouns "she" sexist?)

How will Senator Clinton take the nomination when it look like there are not enough delegates left for Clinton?

Two options: win Florida and Michigan by wide margins or steal them because she already "won". However, she almost lost to "no preference" in Michigan and was only on the ballot with Kucinich, and none of the other candidates made an appearance in campaigned in Florida. Yes, neither did Clinton, but the Senator has name recognition and had a head start because of all that "experience".

Or will he sway super delegates to her side.

Tex
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM
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1. The prius driving, latte drinkers on Brokeback Mountain all support Obama.
:shrug:
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 PM
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4. excuse me, i drive a maza miata
and i've never had a latte. :(
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:25 PM
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8. You've never had a latte? You don't know what you are missing
these things have kept my work day going since last November ( when they opened up an Italian coffee-Gelatto shop right across from my job ). I've been spoiled as of late ( or latte ) but you should really give lattes a shot! ( of espresso, that is... )
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:34 PM
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20. i had a sample a few weeks ago.
they opened a starbucks in the grocery store and were passing out small ones. didn't really care for it. don't like starbucks coffee either. i brew my own at home "chock full o nuts".

Gelatto -- my husband would be in heaven.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
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33. They are constantly making new flavors of it here, such as Tiramisu, Pistachio
and their latest is Guinness, which, by the way tastes like GUINNESS ( it's incredible ) in honor of St. Patrick's Day coming up soon. They also have Irish Potato and Cherry Vanilla....I'm trying to get them to come out with a Key Lime Pie Gelatto that I think is sure to sell ( especially in the summer ) They seem to like the idea...and I think they are going to run with it.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:25 PM
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9. ...and I drive an 18 year ol Honda CRX
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 PM by RiverStone
over 40 mpg and 1/15 the cost of a hybrid :)
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 PM
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14. i drove my toyota corolla for 8 years.
it was time to treat myself to a little sports car before i got too old. i get 28 mpg.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:34 PM
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21. In real life
I drive a Toyota and don't do lattes.

However, I have many friends who do drink lattes and others I would love to take a trip to the mountains with.

Tex
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:32 PM
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18. You can't be serious?
Is this point homophobic, classists of just plain ignorant.

Are you a member of homophobes for Clinton?

Tex
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:39 PM
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26. lol
It was a joke.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM
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2. if the superdelegates decide this election,
there will be rioting in the streets.

now that we all now about superdelegates i think this will be the last election where we have them.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:21 PM
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3. Easy
She'll take it with the popular vote and a more convincing argument with the SDs.

If Obama is smart, he'll agree to be her VP.

Clark would be a better choice as VP, but she'll bring Obama on in the interest of party Unity.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:24 PM
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7. i don't want obama to be her VP.
hillary and bill will take his balls and lock them up in a closet. they will do to him what they did to al gore. i remember al gore when he was a feisty senator. when he ran in 2000 he was boring. of course i voted for him, but it was like he had "lost" something of himself.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:29 PM
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15. But, he got it
back! YAY!
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM
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23. yes, he did and i'm very happy for him.
i think he likes his new life.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:25 PM
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10. hi maddiejoan.
:hi:
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 PM
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12. Hey sweets!
:toast:
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM
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22. If Obama were smart?
Why are people asking Obama to concede when he leads the delegate count?
Are people hoping he'll take a plea?

What is the spin today?

Tex
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:39 PM
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27. that's the talk.
i heard twice today that maybe al gore or nancy pelosi can speak to them. why would either one drop out now? there so close. and besides, everyone should have a chance to vote.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:41 PM
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Hillary is going to get the nomination
:shrug:

She's ahead of him in the Democratic vote and the overall popular vote.

New Network Estimates: Hillary Now Leads Sen. Obama in Popular Vote

ABC & NBC reporting that Hillarys received thousands more votes than Sen. Obama in this years contests

Hillary Clinton has received more votes than anyone else running for President this year, Democrat or Republican, according to new estimates from ABC and NBC News. The new numbers -- bolstered by decisive wins in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island. Following are the latest estimates from the networks:

ABC: Hillary Clinton has received 13,568,891 votes so far in primaries and caucuses while Sen. Obama has received 13,565,339.

NBC/MSNBC: Hillary Clinton has received 13,521,832 votes so far in primaries and caucuses while Sen. Obama has received 13,497,175.

In addition to the overall lead in votes, Hillary holds a significant lead in votes among Democrats. Hillary has received nearly 10.3 million votes among Democrats so far while Sen. Obama has received 9.2 million.

As we head to Pennsylvania --that gap will only widen.

Obama will have a lead in pledged delegates --but not by anything that will matter much in a brokered convention.
Hillary with her bigger State wins, will have a compelling case to make.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM
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35. I guess you don't care
to bring in anyone but Democrats to vote. That's a good way to lose a national election.

However, it is a great way to win over the party "faithful" that will once again find a way to lose.
You're right, she will use this argument. She will lose with it too.

Peace,
Tex
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM
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36. Obama isn't going to bring in Indies or GOP
in anything like the numbers you think he will, and he's alienating the base of the Party.


By the time the MSM would be done with an Obama candidacy, he'll look like runny swiss cheese.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:41 PM
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40. How
is Obama alienating the base of the party? Why is he polling higher than Clinton against McCain if he doesn't have any cross over appeal. And how do you know what I think? "in numbers you think he will". I didn't mention numbers. Can you please tell me what numbers I was thinking about? He does have more crossover appeal than Clinton. At least that is what exit polls indicate.

Please give examples when making baseless accusations of his "hurting the base".

Here's how it works:

I say, "Clinton is alienating the base of the Democratic party by:"

1. making misleading statements about her opponent

2. giving aid to the Republicans by saying McCain, their nominee, is more qualified then Obama, a member of her own party

3. by using scare tactics and fear mongering, the same tactics Bush used to get the war in Iraq authorized.

See how it works. I make a claim, and then I back it up.

Tex
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:39 PM
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41. You didn't back it up with facts, honey
you backed it up with your opinion.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:07 PM
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42. Calling me honey is sexist and I don't appreciate it.
I at least based my statement on something, if just opinion, although it was based on fact and my observations of statements. It is a fact that Clinton is talking about how McCain is more experienced than Obama.

Tex
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:03 PM
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38. So, you want Obama to be a part of "Driving Miss Daisy," I mean,
"Driving Miss Hillary?"

"Now be a good boy, Barack, and be my servant, will you?"
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:07 PM
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39. That's a rather bizarre opinion.
and rather racist as well.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 PM
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5. Will the media play her campaigns spin incessantly?
If they think they can get away with it without losing viewers, yes they will.

The MSM isnt interested in a fair election, they are only interested in stirring things up to keep the race close as its good for ratings.

If no one holds them accountable to treat our candidates fairly, they will go for the spin that creates the most controversy.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:31 PM
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16. a few weeks ago obama was
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 PM by sweets
"the fair haired child". since hillary won 3 out of 4 they've all but written obama off. :crazy:
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:24 PM
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6. we were thrilled to almost split delegates
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:37 PM
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24. ignore
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:38 PM by texshelters
ignore
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:37 PM
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25. Who is this "we" you refer to?
Are you a spinster?

Are you spinning the loss?

That was a good one!

Tex
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
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34. thats what she actually said
I was refering as to how she was going to spin it ....not me. I was for Kucinich, then Edwards, now Obama.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:27 PM
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11. High altitudes turns the brain to mush?
That's what I'm sticking with.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 PM
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13. We don't care how they spin it since she
will win it.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:41 PM
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28. Therotically
if she pays off the super delegates to vote for her, rigs the voting machines in PA, bribes Republicans to give her votes, you'd be happy with a victory?

I don't think she'll do this, but you seem to not care how she wins.

It sounds like "victory at all costs". She'll lose for winning come the general election.

Tex
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:31 PM
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17. Well, we give.
Obama won about 1500+ or - more votes than Clinton. Holy crap, what a landslide! Now that is a real indication of the will of the voters in Wyoming,eh. Check in out on CNN.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
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30. Spin it this way
he won about 50% more votes than her!

By the way, Obama will win more delegates than Clinton in her "victory" state of Texas.

Tex
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:32 PM
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19. We're "boutique" states
"One Clinton aide yesterday derided Mr Obamas victories in "boutique" caucus states rather than the hardscrabble terrain of the rustbelt, saying: "Obama has won the small caucus states with the latte-sipping crowd. They dont need a president, they need a feeling."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/8/10246/00557/...
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM
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31. So that is where people get
that latte line.

Thanks,

Tex
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:41 PM
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29. How about, "We didn't put any effort into winning Wyoming".
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM
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32. From the Clinton Campaign: Wyoming doesn't count.........n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM
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37. HRC spin on Wyoming loss: Hey, Obama IS cheney's cousin... after all
:rofl:

Havocdad is disappointed in DU for missing the obvious in Wyoming ;)
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