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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:39 PM
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MSNBC tonight: Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, and btw
Obama won Wyoming and well get a few more delegates.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:40 PM
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1. Send this cartoon to Tweety

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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 PM
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5. its fucked up because of tweety. He is is ramming his point no matter if no one agrees with his ass.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:55 PM
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45. And an ass, he is!!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:41 PM
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2. Their coverage is so fucked up.
They act as if WY didn't happen, MS doesn't exist, the race is tied, and PA is the winner-take-all electoral Super Bowl.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 PM
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4. Yep. I hope we can all find a way to get together and do something
productive about this before the general election.

Doesn't matter who you support, your candidate has been hit.
The MSM has manipulated our whole process.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:45 PM
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9. Just now saw this, so ignore my question on the other post I put up ! Good point :-)
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:52 PM
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17. Oh. I already answered it. LOL
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:43 PM
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3. Even Rachel Maddow got on my nerves tonight...
...talking as if the other primaries no longer matter...
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 PM
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7. That's the story now. And they have weeks to build up the tension.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM
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11. I agree, her pronouncement that the superdelegates will be making
the final decision. I need her crystal ball. She annoyed me also...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:50 PM
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37. most of us Hillary folks have pointed that out for weeks now her on DU. Finally catcing up?
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:10 PM
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40. whew thought I was the only one
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:47 PM
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12. In essence, she is right. Clinton has no way to make up the difference at
this point. The whole thing will come down to the superdelegates. The remaining primaries only matter in terms of how the wins/losses might impact the superdelegates' choices.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:49 PM
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15. Bingo. The Supers WILL decide this unless Clinton drops out. Hillary is
only campaigning for superdelegate votes as of this week.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:57 PM
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23. And that's why I have to, unfortunately, agree with Tucker Carlson on MSNBC
today, when he says that Hillary's negative campaigning is to show the supers that she's tough and a fighter.

I disagree with him that this is necessarily what the supers are looking for, because I think that even the supers are going to be turned off to what Hillary is doing to the party. And the supers will also be looking downticket and who can pull along those candidates.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:03 PM
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55. they will go with the known--not the unknow/risky (Obama)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM
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32. There is no way for Hillary to catch up
So it doesn't matter how many primaries we have. The Supers are going to decide this so it's time to tell them to step up and figure it out. And, btw, I haven't voted yet and I don't care one way or the other. It's time to face reality about this primary. Either the Supers are going to give it to Hillary or they're going to support the people.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 PM
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6. You do know that Hillary gained nothing from her OH win.. and Obama won
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM by K Gardner
the caucus in TX and won the most delegates in TX.. and Obama picked up more delegates from California from recounts, and they're recounting ballots in NY Harlem that were not even counted for him, and he's picked up superdelegates this week.

So he's still ahead in states, popular vote total, delegate total and catching up on SDs.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but yes, that's an entirely fair summary of the news coverage. And its ALL we'll hear from Tweety and MSNBC because that's Tweety's hometown and he thinks he knows everything and will continue to try to drive the coverage.

He just tonight tried to say "Its a win for Bill Clinton with the party bosses of PA", and was summarily shot down by both his PA guests.

Edited to say: Just saw your subthread post and realized youre slamming the MSM.. agreed :hi:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:50 PM
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16. No I am not being sarcastic. Some of us have been pointing out the manipulation
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:51 PM by wlucinda
of our election by the MSM since the primary season started.
Today reinforces the point.

As far as todays result go, it was Hillary's day from the media perspective. She held him to a +2 or +3, which was enough for them to run with the PA is a BIG DEAL stories tonight.



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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:23 PM
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28. interesting how holding him to a few delegates is a victory for her
and yet texas was somehow a victory for her as well even though that was supposed to be all her's.... oh, i guess for the same reason, that she "held" him to just a few delegates!!

i suppose maybe obama should be declared the winner of any state that awards more delegates to clinton???
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:31 PM
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29. That's because the narrative said her campaign would be dead by now
and it isn't. It's the more interesting story, from a media perspective.
And mine as well. :)
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:38 PM
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33. right, the narrative is so much more important than the actual news!
once it appeared possible for mrs. inevitability not to win in a cakewalk, the media loved it and propped obama up.
then once it became apparent that obama was actually the front-runner, it became his turn to be torn down.

what fun it must be to be a pundit! well, let them have their fun now, because the general election won't be close. they'll be down to how many seats in congress the republicans will lose....
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 PM
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35. Isn't that incredible! He has beat her or almost tied with her in all states
and in the ones that the didn't, he still came out almost even or even ahead in delegates and the media still tries to give the edge to Hillary.

The media is why John Kerry lost in 2004. And they will ride the HRC/Obama race all the way to the convention because it brings the networks ratings and ratings mean money to them. The hell with the country.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:45 PM
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8. those latte drinking they need a feeling people... whatever that means
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM
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10. Matthews is making a fool out of himself giving adivce to a guy that has
won 13 out of the last 15 contests.

Oh yeah and Mississippi.


Oh and Matthews never ever talks about delegates.


I think his obsession is that he is from PA and wants to show of his knowledge of munitae.


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:48 PM
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14. Close to the end of this segment, he says "I know everybody in
PA and they've ALL been emailing me ! We're having a special show this week on my emails !" or some such b/s.

Its going to be unbearable. He really thinks he can call the election now in PA, with his "ghettoization" talk and black/white divide and other crap.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 PM
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53. KO will have to spank him a little.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:47 PM
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13. Corporate media right wing pro-Hillary/Republican SLIME !
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:52 PM
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18. Corporate media right wing pro-Hillary/Republican SLIME !

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:54 PM
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20. It's not pro Hillary. It's pro profits and then it will become Pro Rep in the general.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:53 PM
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19. I just saw a report that said Wyoming was GREAT for BOTH candidates!
WTF?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:55 PM
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21. In some ways it is.
HUGE dem turnout, which is good for the party. Hillary didn't win, which is good for Obama, and Obama only picked up a few extra delegates, which is good for Hillary.

Kinda makes your head spin, doesn't it? :)
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:56 PM
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22. Soon we will no longer "count"
So let us have our moment in the spotlight now.

"evilgrin:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:01 PM
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:09 PM
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27. link please?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:32 PM
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30. Here's a link to your info:
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 PM by wlucinda
http://www.delegatehub.com/archive/?id=6399
I'd like to see other sources for it too, if you run across them.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:08 PM
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39. Here's one that works...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:11 PM by stillcool47
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...

Popular Vote Total Obama -13,005,114 Clinton-12,414,786
Popular Vote (w/FL)Obama- 13,581,328 Clinton 13,285,772
Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* OBama-13,581,328 Clinton-13,614,081
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 PM
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44. Its not accurate. We are missing data from several states:
From your link:
(*Obama Not on Michigan Ballot; Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Have Not Released Popular Vote Totals)
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:00 PM
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46. what do you mean it isn't accurate?
If the vote totals have not been released, how could they be counted? And in your link both Florida and Michigan are added into the total. Now that, is not accurate.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:11 PM
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48. The RCP numberes are starred and at the bottom of the page it says:
(*Obama Not on Michigan Ballot; Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Have Not Released Popular Vote Totals)

So RCP aren't really accurate.

The info at the delegate hub floating around tonight, re:the two news services numbers, isn't sourced. So, IMO, it's not to be taken as accurate either...

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:17 PM
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50. Check your vote totals at the site...
you like against these. The reason why the vote totals have not been released, is because they have not been released. Once the state releases the totals they will be included.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:24 PM
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51. I think you're missing my point. I don't like EITHER of these numbers
RCP's arent inclusive, and the other posters link wasn't sourced with ANYTHING from either network quoted.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:55 PM
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52. the numbers are accurate...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 PM by stillcool47
in regards to what numbers have been released. Those states that have not released their vote totals are caucus states. As it is now, that vote count is accurate.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:59 PM
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54. It's not a real total. It's a "leaving a few states out" total. A subtotal at best.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:59 PM by wlucinda
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:10 PM
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56. This might help...
A note about caucus states: In these states (West Virginia, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, and American Samoa), voters meet in small groups to choose their nominee. Some caucuses may not release popular vote totals -- in this case, the indicated percentages refer to the proportion of delegates won. Delegate counts in some caucuses may also be tentative until officially decided at state party conventions.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:19 PM
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57. I'm fully aware how they work. I told YOU the data wasn't conclusive.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:20 PM by wlucinda
You seem to assume no other numbers will be forthcoming in all of those completed states, I don't.
We're just spinning our wheels with this conversation.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:31 AM
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59. what states?
The states not included are caucus states!!! Jeez...
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:49 AM
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61. How about these numbers? Sounds good to me.
ABC: Hillary Clinton has received 13,568,891 votes so far in primaries and caucuses while Sen. Obama has received 13,565,339.

NBC/MSNBC: Hillary Clinton has received 13,521,832 votes so far in primaries and caucuses while Sen. Obama has received 13,497,175.

In addition to the overall lead in votes, Hillary holds a significant lead in votes among Democrats. Hillary has received nearly 10.3 million votes among Democrats so far while Sen. Obama has received 9.2 million.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:53 AM
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65. that includes Florida and Michigan...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 PM
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42. That's from HILLARYs DelegateHub, which is a site created to spam the
freakin superdelegates and to create SPIN. There is not ONE link to back up any of that and it is blatantly false. No link to ABC or NBC or any of the supposed "sources" for this bullshit information.

Shame on all of you.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:52 PM
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43. It's not a spam site. Most things are usually sourced. This one isn't.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:08 PM
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47. Look, the poster who was going around pushing this false set of
facts just got tombstoned for it.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:13 PM
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49. And that's fine. MY point in posting about it was to show where they got it from
and to mentioned the info wasn't sourced.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM
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31. I suppose they include FL and MI??? n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:42 PM
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34. That's complete bullshit, so quit fucking spamming it
that includes Florida and Michigan. Which were invalid, and are going to revote. Those states don't get to count twice. Hillary is BEHIND by SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND in the popular vote as it now stands. Your spamming of untruths does nothing to change that.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:11 PM
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41. Didn't your post get deleted the last time you tried this?
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:06 PM
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25. Because they (the media) are afraid that if they tell people that Obama won today,
then the real people of this nation will know that "politics as we know it" is over. The establishment media is so afraid of change. Not only change, but change for the better. I am so fucking sick of these so called talking heads thinking that they know what is best for me, the average joe in "fly over country."
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:07 PM
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26. That entire show was pathetic, it was worse than Faux Newz.
I know it wont do any good, but I'm going to let MSNBC know that via email.

This is serious stuff, especially after Scarborough's little admission last night. They're throwing our election, or at least attempting to.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM
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36. It's not a bad thing for Obama to be cast in the underdog role.
It's not true, of course. He has a big lead. But being cast as the underdog will only motivate his supporters more and draw more voters to him. Americans like the underdog.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM
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38. LOL! nt
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:02 AM
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58. CNN headline today: "Key to the nomination?"
This was the onscreen headline for an extended time this afternoon. The dopes at the Clinton News Network are too dense to realize that they keep telling us how PA is a lot like Ohio and Clinton netted 9 whopping delegates there. Pennsylvania will not decide the nomination.

Has either MSNBC or CNN touted North Carolina as the key to the nomination? It has 115 pledged delegates, and with Indiana (72 delegates) also voting on May 6, they are more important than Pennsylvania's 158 delegates.

Likewise, why was Ohio so all-important, but a sizable swing state like Virginia with 83 delegates was not? Obama netted 25 delegates out of Virginia to Clinton's net of 9 for Ohio, and his popular vote margin was also larger.

The Clintons have cherry-picked the few states that are favorable to them and convinced the media that they are the big showdown states for the nomination. On May 7th we'll start hearing how the battleground state that will decide the nomination will be West Virginia.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:33 AM
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60. The Clinton camp tells the media what to say, and the media complies.
The benefit of being a former President, or married to one. It's stunning how Obama has beaten the odds this past year, it really is.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:03 AM
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62. You're right about that. Right now he's going against Hillary Clinton, a former President in Bill
Clinton, John McCain, and a media that has purposely ignored the fact that Obama has been ahead in the race since they started counting votes in Iowa. His candidacy is one of the great political stories of our time, yet all we hear is Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Hillary's mad today, Hillary's happy today, Hillary said this about Obama today, what will Hillary do next? It's almost as if Obama is an afterthought.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:16 AM
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63. I've said before and I'll say again:
Obama's goalposts are being moved ever further away, Hillary's are moved ever closer, as this race goes on. On MSNBC tonight, they were actually describing Obama's campaign as a "losing" campaign, offering him advice on how to turn it around, as if he was on the ropes. It was stunningly unreal. Two weeks ago he was running a brilliant campaign, and now he's all washed up, "needs a new message", can't stop making mistakes, he's a weak pussy, he can't fight back, etc. I am getting to the point where I can't watch this shit, it's so obvious what they're doing.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:32 AM
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64. I also noticed Pat Buchanan spinning loud for Hillary....
Like he really wants her to win because the pukes know Obama is a much tougher target. That was so fucking obvious -wish he was called on it!
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