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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:29 PM
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I can't believe that less than 10,000 voters are going to determine the delegate count in WY
With 96% of caucuses reporting, Obama has been declared the winner with a only 59% of the vote of less than 10,000 voters in the Democratic race in Wyoming. This is the most undemocratic result we could envision, and further proof that Hillary Clinton should be the nominee; Obama can only win small red states, that hold caucuses, and in which less than 1% of the state's population can get to the caucus site, and not be arm-twisted into voting for Obama.

What kind of democracy is this? :puke:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:30 PM
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1. Where are you getting that number from? n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:42 PM
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23. it's satire. But pretty damned close to what the mediawhores are spouting
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:31 PM
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2. What?
huh?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:31 PM
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3. Educate yourself! The numbers you see are STATE DELEGATES AWARDED... no the number of ppl that ...
..attended the caucuses.

Multiply that number by at least 5, and you get how many people showed up.



I'm amazed that people STILL don't know how caucuses work.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 PM
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8. It's sniffa, it's satire and it's dry satire.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:35 PM by OhioBlues
check his avatar.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM
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12. .
;)
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 PM
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18. thank goodness.
I was worried we'd lost one, LOL.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:35 PM
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9. Wyoming only has 59,000 registered Democrats
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM
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14. Yes... and more than 35,000 of them showed up at caucuses today!

Not the 8,000 or so you see in the tallies.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:53 PM
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31. You're wrong. Fewer than 10,000 showed up.
The 7,500 that's being reported on CNN is the number of voters that showed up at caucus sites today.

As far as state delegates go:

Here's the most recent update on state delegates: Last five caucus results now coming in. Hillary wins Weston County. Obama won Big Horn and Johnson. Only Sheridan and Teton are left. The delegate count is now at 160 for Obama, 116 for Hillary, 2 uncommitted. Again, these are delegates to the state convention to be held in late May. CNN now projects Obama to win. Sheridan has 18 delegates and Teton has 17. The caucus ends at 6pm MT in Sheridan.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/8/1248/06253
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:23 PM
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46. and 10.000 went to the caucuses...and only 319 delegares sent to the state convention...
13 pledged delegates to Denver


some idiot on another thread is saying that over 8,000 delegates were going to the state convention .....oy
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM
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13. thank you...
that's what I was trying to say.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:54 PM
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32. It's wrong, though.
When all the numbers come in, fewer than 10,000 people participated in the caucus today.

Here's the most recent update on state delegates: Last five caucus results now coming in. Hillary wins Weston County. Obama won Big Horn and Johnson. Only Sheridan and Teton are left. The delegate count is now at 160 for Obama, 116 for Hillary, 2 uncommitted. Again, these are delegates to the state convention to be held in late May. CNN now projects Obama to win. Sheridan has 18 delegates and Teton has 17. The caucus ends at 6pm MT in Sheridan.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/8/1248/06253
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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:56 PM
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36. Actually, no.
There are only 319 delegates to the state convention. What you said is true of Iowa and probably a few other states, but not Wyoming. Caucuses aren't all the same.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:40 PM
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41. you are mistaken
there are not 10000 delegates to the state convention. The numbers are vote counts, not state delegates.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM
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47. you are the one in need of an education...319 delegates go to the WY state convention! NOT 7,000..
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:37 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 PM
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4. What?
Fewer than 700 dems total caucused in 2004...so wyoming doesnt count now?


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 PM
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5. Wyomin''s Wyomin' sniffa ..
that's what they do.

<snip>

"Her husband, Dave Freudenthal, is a popular two-term Democratic governor in a state that is dominated by Republicans. He has not publicly endorsed either candidate and his wife was reluctant to state her preference (though their 21-year-old daughter Katie was holding an Obama sign).

The crowd, said Nancy Freudenthal, "is nothing I expected. At Democratic events in Wyoming, you tend to see the same worker bees over and over. Today I see tons of new faces. This has great potential to revive the Democratic Party."

At about 9:25 a.m., Karpan took the microphone to nominate her candidate, Clinton. She would be followed by Ken McCauley, a retired Air Force pilot, who would nominate Obama".

much more..
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-nuwyoming9ma ...
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:33 PM
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6. I'll be happy to be corrected, but...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 PM by CitizenLeft
I think those are votes that translate into caucus numbers... the actual votes are much higher than that, I think. At least, that's what I took away from previous caucuses.

Any Wyomingans here? (is it "Wyomingans?")
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM
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15. No they aren't....
Those are the actual caucus goers...

State delegates is what they call a person who attends a caucus...

The delegates to the convention are awarded based on how many "state Delegates" attend and vote for the candidate...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 PM
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20. You are wrong.....


the 4,500 to 3,000 "score" you see on the screen is the number of delegates awarded to go to the WYOMING Democratic convention for each candidate.

It is THERE that the 12 pledged delegates will be awarded.... in June.


The numbers on the screen are *NOT* the number of people that showed up at the caucuses. 35,000 to 40,000 showed up today.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:43 PM
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24. there you go
That's what I meant. Thank you.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM
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42. no, you are wrong
the score is the number of democratic voters who participated today. There were just under 9000. That's about 12 times as many as participated four years ago :)
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 PM
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7. Wyoming doesn't have many Democrats.
I think I once met them all at a bull fries lunch.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:35 PM
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10. Let me clear this up... when it says Obama has 4500 to Hillary's 3000....
...that is the number of STATE DELEGATES awarded to each that will attend the Wyoming Democratic convention.


It is *NOT* the number of people that showed up for the caucuses. There is typically 5 to 10 times as many people at the caucuses as the number of state delegates awarded.


The numbers you are seeing on MSNBC and CNN and Fox are NOT the number of people who participated in the caucuses.

tens of thousands more participated.


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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 PM
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19. There are only 59000 registered dems in the whole state...
Cite your information please...

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:39 PM
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21. Yes... and if 8,000 or so delegates were selected, then 35,000 to 40,000 showed up today...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 PM by scheming daemons
....

I can point you to a wiki article that explains caucuses... but I'm too lazy... Look it up.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:47 PM
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29. WTF are you talking out your ass for.....WY only has 13 delegates....13!
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:02 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Superdelegate Comparison

Clinton
DCW 243

CNN 238

CBS 245

AP 242

Obama
DCW 203

CNN 199

CBS 201

AP 210

Updated 3/7/2008

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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:04 PM
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38. The 7500 state delegates attend the state convention
The 13 delegates you are confusing them with attend the national convention.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:49 PM
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43. There aren't 7500 delegates to the state convention
There are about 320. Here's a breakdown by county: http://www.wyomingdemocrats.com/ht/display/EventDetails...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:16 PM
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45. honey stay in school please!...WY only sends 219 delegates to the state convention
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:23 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
WY only sends 319 delegates to the state convention
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:12 PM
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52. Mea Culpa. I shouldn't have relied on another poster's numbers -- or yours
without checking the total out myself and providing a reliable link.
The total number of state delegates is 319 -- according to the Wyoming Democratic Party

Glad to see you were able to edit the correct total into your post, if not your header.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM
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11. Why do you hate latte sippin, Birkenstock wearin liberal elites??!! Sniffaaaaa!!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:57 PM
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37. Because of Willy Nelson (who covered The Pansy Division)
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:08 PM
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39. No freakin way am I clickin on a Sniffa Link ! Newp, not gonna fall for it AGAIN :-)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:10 PM
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40. Fine
You can miss out on an awesome Willie song. :eyes:

And I swear this isn't a Rick' Roll. :D
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 PM
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16. Party rules aren't necessarily democratic
:shrug:
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 PM
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17. Uh, there's less than 60,000 registered democrats in Wyoming.
http://soswy.state.wy.us/election/vote-sum.htm

Click on March 2008

So that's 1/6 of the dem population.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 PM
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22. No... about 60% turnout, actually.... 35,000 or so Dems chose 7,500 or so STATE DELEGATES today...
...

Read up on caucuses.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 PM
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28. I'd like to believe you
But I have a feeling that there really were about 10,000 voters who attended the caucuses today. Which, when you consider Wyoming's political climate (and the general apathy toward politics held by most Wyoming residents), is actually a pretty big number.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:51 PM
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44. You are correct -- and it's actually a HUGE number for Wyoming
I read somewhere that about 750 democrats took part in the caucuses in 2004. Of course, by the time the caucus rolled around that year, Kerry already had the nomination won, so there wasn't as much on the line. Still, it's great (and amazing!) to see that kind of turnout from Wyoming Democrats :toast:
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:55 PM
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35. Hey, I'm an Ohioan. We don't deal with the caucus bullshit. We just show up and vote,
and then forget about it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:44 PM
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25. yeah - because it is WAY easier to stand in line 4 hours to vote
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 PM by FLDem5
in a primary, than it is to sit at a caucus site for 4 hours.

Caucuses suck.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 PM
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26. Filling stadiums with supporters is meaningless.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 PM
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27. According to the Census Bureau
the '06 estimated population of Wyoming is 515,004.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:52 PM
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30. yeah well satire aside...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:57 PM by tandem5
let's optimistically say 60,000 voted in today's primary then it takes ~5000 voters to determine one delegate. In contrast it takes about ~10,000 voters to win one delegate in California. I'm living in the wrong state!

on edit I guess there are 13 and not 12 delegates for WY so thats actually 4600:1.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:55 PM
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33. It's not FAIR!
They have SINGLED HILLARY OUT and rigged the game so it is so unfair against her!!1! It's not RIGHT!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:18 PM
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48. I know
We should disregard all the states that don't count.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:55 PM
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34. It's unfair to Hillary
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:56 PM by TomClash
Barack has darker skin and that is a definite advantage in a state with so many ethnic voters.

WY also has so many young, urban, hip voters, which helped Barack.

And they haven't realized that their national security is threatened by someone who is not a muslim (as far as I know).

And it is a small state with delegates who don't really count - Hillary won the Soviet primaries in FLA and MI - much more important so never mind. :sarcasm:
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 PM
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49. sniffa, there are only 12,000 people in Wyoming, total
Keep that in mind.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:05 PM
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50. Ok, I feel better now
It's good to know that 92% of the state participated in the Caucus, but still, this is an insult to not only Hillary, but Democracy in general.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:11 PM
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51. If it's an insult to anyone, it's an insult to Mercer
But with all of the abuse Mercer has taken on the blogs, forums and in the press, he must have a hide like a rhinoceros now. He's a fighter, and he'll win in November... if they'll let him.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 PM
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53. You are a true Mercernary
:patriot:
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