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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:10 PM
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59,000 Registered Democrats in Wyoming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23534864 /

The epic battle between Clinton and Obama has given Wyoming's 59,000 registered Democrats outnumbered more than 2-to-1 by Republicans in Vice President Dick Cheney's home state a relevancy they have not experienced in a presidential race in nearly 50 years.

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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:12 PM
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1. What the hell are 59K people doing in WY?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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8. lol lol lol .... funny. n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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Well, 90% of them were just passing through
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:20 PM
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26. dupe, sorry.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:20 PM by Lastlaughin08
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:13 PM
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2. Yet fewer than 20% of those registered Dems participated in the caucus today.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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7. #1 reason that states need to junk the archaic caucus system
I knopw folks in Washington state are none too pleased with theirs....
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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12. I agree.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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22. absolutely!
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:22 PM
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44. Yeah caucuses are like soooooo lame
cuz you gotta like show up and participate and stuff. I mean, who has time to participate in a Democracy? Its like, totally soooooooooo much easier just to have Diebold count my vote for me.


Caucuses are lame.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:28 PM
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50. Yeah,,,,and in WY they use paper just like in Texas!
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:29 PM by snappyturtle
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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11. Um... you don't understand how caucuses work....
The numbers on the screen are NOT the numbers of people who showed up at the caucuses.... it is the number of DELEGATES that were selected at each caucus.


A Caucus with 7,000 "votes" means that probably 35,000 to 40,000 people showed up (the ratio is usually 5 to 1).


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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:51 PM
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38. I am quite aware of how caucuses work. You are wrong.
The number I stated, and the number being reported by CNN, is the number of voters.

Here's the most recent update on state delegates: Last five caucus results now coming in. Hillary wins Weston County. Obama won Big Horn and Johnson. Only Sheridan and Teton are left. The delegate count is now at 160 for Obama, 116 for Hillary, 2 uncommitted. Again, these are delegates to the state convention to be held in late May. CNN now projects Obama to win. Sheridan has 18 delegates and Teton has 17. The caucus ends at 6pm MT in Sheridan.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/8/1248/06253
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
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14. About 7,600....
Which would be slightly more than 20%...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:17 PM
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20. NO! 7,600 STATE DELEGATES AWARDED.... many more thousands attended the caucus...
...you people have ZERO understanding of how these things work.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 PM
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35. NO, that's the number of votes.
Here's the most recent update on state delegates: Last five caucus results now coming in. Hillary wins Weston County. Obama won Big Horn and Johnson. Only Sheridan and Teton are left. The delegate count is now at 160 for Obama, 116 for Hillary, 2 uncommitted. Again, these are delegates to the state convention to be held in late May. CNN now projects Obama to win. Sheridan has 18 delegates and Teton has 17. The caucus ends at 6pm MT in Sheridan.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/8/1248/06253
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:16 PM
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42. Scheming is right. It's 7,600 delegates awarded for the state convention. Several caucuses were...
reporting over 1,000 people participating.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:25 PM
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47. Nope, I'm right.
And I demonstrated it with a link.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:32 PM
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52. I think there were only two caucuses reporting more than 1000 people
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:39 PM by fishwax
Albany County (where the university is) and Laramie County (where the state capitol is). Natrona county (Casper is one of the state's two largest cities) came in at just under 1000.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/coun...

on edit: It looks like Teton County, which finished last, also had over 1000 participants.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:54 PM
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39. So, who's correct, scheming daemons?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:26 PM
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49. If you had berated people and told them to "learn something" and then been proven wrong...
you'd probably have disappeared, too.

:rofl:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:29 PM
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51. Yes he seems to have vanished
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:13 PM
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3. How many of them voted in this caucus?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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9. When 100% reports, it's probably going to be close to 10,000
We have more Democratic voters than that in my precinct.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
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16. No... again.. the numbers on the screen are STATE DELEGATES AWARDED... not # of ppl at the caucus...

Multiply by a factor of 5 or 6 and you get the number of people who showed up at the caucus.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 PM
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36. NO, that's the number of votes.
Here's the most recent update on state delegates: Last five caucus results now coming in. Hillary wins Weston County. Obama won Big Horn and Johnson. Only Sheridan and Teton are left. The delegate count is now at 160 for Obama, 116 for Hillary, 2 uncommitted. Again, these are delegates to the state convention to be held in late May. CNN now projects Obama to win. Sheridan has 18 delegates and Teton has 17. The caucus ends at 6pm MT in Sheridan.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/8/1248/06253
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
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17. Your precinct counts.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:27 PM
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29. I agree with you.
It's really pathetic that Hillary couldn't even get 5001 supporters in the entire state.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:29 PM
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30. Neither has Obama.
He's only got 4400 as of now.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 PM
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31. You're right again.
If only we had a viable candidate who could have topped that paltry 4400 total.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:14 PM
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4. Wyoming
Has a Democratic governor.


Has a competitive race for its one congressional seat this year.


Let's not be writing Wyoming or anywhere else off as an untouchable Republican bastion.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:14 PM
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5. Wyoming doesn't count.
Only those states Hillary won count.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
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15. States one has a reasonable shot at winning in the general election count
and that doesn't include the likes of Idaho, Wyoming - or Georgia or South Carlina.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:17 PM
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21. Or Florida or Ohio. nt
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:22 PM
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27. So why did Hillary campaign in Wyoming
and tell people their votes counted?

And why doesn't Minnesota, a reliably "blue" state, not count, either? Because it's a caucus state?

The rule is simply that states Hillary loses are the ones that don't count. They do count until she loses them, but then they don't.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:10 PM
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41. kind of like the states she wins are all suddenly full of voter fraud
but the states Obama wins are fair and square.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 PM
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33. That has already been determined in delegat allocation
WY gets less delegates because it has been red for the last three elections. That argument would have some merit had it not already been considered in determining the delegate count.

See here for allocation formulas and information:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D-Alloc.phtml

Still, the two delegates Obama picked up from this small single red state equated to about 1/4 of the delegates Hillary picked up on the Tuesday with 2 of the 3 biggest remaining states (at that time) and two smaller ones voting. Even with the smaller delegation, it shows how small a victory Clinton actually achieved on Tuesday.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:23 PM
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45. or any of these either...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:25 PM by stillcool47
States where Obama won the most delegates
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Minnesota
Nevada
North Dakota
South Carolina
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Virgin Islands
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming
+ Democrats Abroad

states that were tied
New Hampshire
Missouri
Texas
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:14 PM
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6. Look, we get it. Wyoming doesn't count. Hillary already told us so.
:eyes:
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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13. Not so,
Why Hillary went to Cheyenne Wyoming and told her audience that every vote counted.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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24. Until she lost, and now they don't. nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM
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10. It counts for a net of 3 delegates for Obama so far. And to end Hillary's momentum. nt
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:15 PM by Quixote1818
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:17 PM
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19. That's at least close,
and in this race three delegates are important.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:17 PM
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18. 20% ??? That's less than 12,000 voters?
I have more Democrats than that in my city!


:rofl:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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25. For a FOURTH time... the numbers on the screen are NOT ppl who went to caucus... but STATE DELEGATES
AWARDED.


Some of you people need to read up a little on how caucuses work.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM
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37. NO, that's the number of voters.
Here's the most recent update on state delegates: Last five caucus results now coming in. Hillary wins Weston County. Obama won Big Horn and Johnson. Only Sheridan and Teton are left. The delegate count is now at 160 for Obama, 116 for Hillary, 2 uncommitted. Again, these are delegates to the state convention to be held in late May. CNN now projects Obama to win. Sheridan has 18 delegates and Teton has 17. The caucus ends at 6pm MT in Sheridan.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/8/1248/06253
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:23 PM
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46. Thanks, Maddie.
:hi:


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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:25 PM
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48. You're welcome.
:hi:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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23. So, they don't count
The "epic battle" also netted Obama more delegates than Your Gal gained from her "win" in Texas.

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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 PM
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53. Only 7,600 counted.
Apparently.


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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:24 PM
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28. Here we go again...
so the democrats in wyoming dont count...got it.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:39 PM
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32. Thank goodness the caucus system is so easy to understand.
Imagine if it was simple like actually going out to vote.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:48 PM
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34. There are only about 500,000 people living in
so it's a bit smaller population wise than Montana. Lots of open country up there.

Like many of the northwestern states, the area is pretty rural and people at caucuses tend to know each other pretty well.

Does anyone have any hard numbers as yet?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:00 PM
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40. Wyoming Dem website says registration up 4% over the last few months
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:02 PM by rainbow4321
Here's an updated total of votes, etc...what's up with Teton County?? 0% counted so far this late into the evening?

http://www.wyomingdemocrats.com/ht/a/GetDocumentAction/...

On edit: Ah, just looked up their caucus times...doesn't start til 4 pm Wyoming time.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:20 PM
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43. another one of those phenomenons
Obama wins Wyoming caucuses
Obama wins Wyoming caucuses

By MEAD GRUVER, Associated Press Writer 30 minutes ago

From the first caucuses of the day, it became clear the state's Democrats were showing up in large numbers. In 2004, a mere 675 people statewide took part in the caucuses.

In Sweetwater County, more than 500 people crowded into a high school auditorium and another 500 were lined up to get inside.

"I'm worried about where we're going to put them all. But I guess everybody's got the same problem," said Joyce Corcoran, a local party official. "So far we're OK. But man, they keep coming."

Party officials struggled with how to handle the overflow crowds. The start of the Converse County caucus was delayed due to long lines.

In Cheyenne, scores of late arrivers were turned away when party officials stopped allowing people to get in line at 11 a.m. EST. A party worker stood at the end of the line with a sign reading, "End of the line. Caucus rules require the voter registration process to be closed at this time."

State party spokesman Bill Luckett said they were obligated to follow its rules as well as those of the Democratic National Committee regarding caucus procedures.

"Everybody knew the registration began over an hour before the caucus was called to order. We've done everything we could to accommodate people in the long lines," Luckett said.

After initially accepting provisional ballots from about 20 people who remained behind at the caucus site, party officials said they and both campaigns had decided not to count those votes. John Millin, state party chair, said doing so would have been unfair to those who had left after being turned away.

In Casper, home of the state party's headquarters, hundreds were lined up at the site of the Natrona County caucus. The location was a hotel meeting room with a capacity of 500. Some 7,700 registered Democrats live in the county.

"We'll have to put 'em in the grass after a while," said Bob Warburton, a local party official.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/ap_on_el_pr/wyoming...
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