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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:54 PM
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CHALLENGE: Give us the list of thought-leaders who have defended the "he has a speech" remarks...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:26 PM by DeadElephant_ORG

...are there ANY ????



Name the party leaders, or notable progressive commentators, who have argued that the "...Obama has a speech..." remarks were fair game.

You can tear down Kieth Olberman, Arianna Huffington, Gary Hart, Richard Wolf, Dana Millbank, Randi Rhodes, Ed Schultz, Rachael Maddow, Thom Hartmann, Stephanie Miller - all of whom have spoken out against Hillary's ill-advised comments - all you want. But who has stood up to support Hillary's remarks? Who?

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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:14 PM
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1. can you name a single Super Delegate who has supported Hillary's remarks?
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 PM
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2. I'm going to keep kicking this in your faces until you put up - or shut up.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:01 PM
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16. what a bore.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:35 PM
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3. You won't get any response. They only know how to sling sh^^, like Hillary.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:01 PM
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14. you mean, sling it back. This is just another shit throwing thread
Is there NOTHING positive you folks can find to promote about your candidate?
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:07 PM
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20. I'm not slinging shit. I'm asking Hillary's defenders here to ackowledge their isolation.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:21 PM
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23. That's a rhetorical question, right?
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:27 PM
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24. I'm afraid the subject right now is YOUR candidate. Hillary brought this on herself.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM
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4. Does Howard Wolfson count?
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:39 PM
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5. LOL
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:15 AM
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43. No.
:)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 PM
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6. Paul Krugman, Wesley Clark, Joe Wilson.... nt
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 PM
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7. can you provide any links to those? I just googled and came up with nothing.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:57 PM by DeadElephant_ORG
I like all three of them. But I just googled everything I could find from them issued over the past 3 days, and although they are avid supporters of Clinton, I could find no comments from any of them regarding the "...Obama has a speech..." remarks.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:03 PM
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18. I chose those three because they have all basically said the same thing
About Obama's lack of experience when it comes to foreign policy.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:05 PM
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19. OK. But the question is whether our leaders approve of and support HC's remarks

there is absolutely no indication that they do.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:15 PM
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21. Since they've said similar things, and haven't said they don't agree with her
I think it's safe to say that they do.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:20 PM
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22. uh no. Have they said McCain would be better for America than Obama??

If not, what they have said does NOT compare with what Hillary said.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:35 PM
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26. Hillary didn't say that, either, and you know it.
"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say. He's never been president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech made in 2002."

Meaning, you know where McCain stands, you can imagine the things he will say, because he has a lifetime of experience we can look back on to see. Think about it for a minute... it's not a very positive comment about what he will do. She's saying you can see the same for me, too, but that Obama only offers his 2002 speech. It's also worth noting that this comment was in reference to national security and foreign policy.

Now, how many of our Democratic leaders agreed with Obama's praise of Reagan and his criticism of Bill Clinton's presidency?
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 PM
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27. that's the softest version of her remarks. Here's the hardest:
"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Now, if she's saying that experience is the most important thing, and that McCain has it, and Obama doesn't, then she's telling Americans to vote for McCain over Obama. There's no getting around this. If there was ANY way to get around it, her many supporters in high office would have jumped to her defense, as some of those on DU have done. But they haven't. They've had 3 days to speak up, and they are all

silent



The comparison to Obama's comments about Reagan and Bill Clinton is false: neither Reagan nor Bill are this years Republican nominee.

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:48 PM
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28. The quote I posted was her actual quote, verbatim.
What you posted is the condensed and parsed version on the internets.

And who cares if he's the nominee or not? Praising the ideology of Reagan's administration while criticising the policy-driven Bill Clinton administration is indefensible.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:17 PM
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29. She said nearly the same thing 4 times. Mine was verbatim as was yours.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:21 PM by DeadElephant_ORG
Here's video of all four repetitions so you can get the feel of this for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVOT-IH8sg

I did not condense anything. I quoted her THIRD REPETITION of that bile.

Wednesday, March 05, 2008

Hillary again endorses McCain over Obama, in 3 more TV appearances

She said it three more times in the past day. Why the hell is she saying that the Republican candidate is more qualified to be president than our own presumptive nominee? And what the hell does our party plan to do on stopping this train wreck? She can't win, it's over, she doesn't have the delegates and can't get the delegates. She's hoping she can destroy Obama and step in after he's toast. And if she's wrong, she'll simply leave Obama destroyed for the general election campaign against McCain, the guy she has now said four times is more qualified to be president than our presumptive nominee. Here is the first time she endorsed McCain over Obama, and watch her three additional TV appearances below.

2nd time: " never been president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

3rd time: "I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

4th time: "Of course, well, you know, I've got a lifetime of experience. Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience. And you know, Senator Obama's whole campaign is about one speech he made in 2002."

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-again-says-t...


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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:23 AM
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49. He didn't praise Reagan's ideology, he said Reagan's methods were effective
Methodology not ideology


go look them up if you must
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:20 AM
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48. this is what she said
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 12:22 AM by Johnny__Motown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=rela...


none of the people you listed have said anything like it


Nobody has


Nobody will



Indefensible
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:24 AM
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50. no they have not said the same thing
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:47 PM
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8. I'm interested in the response to this thread--or lack thereof.
:thumbsup:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:59 PM
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13. simple. No one wants to voluntarily submit themselves to the smarmy bile
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:59 PM by bigtree
and the fact that it's just a bore.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:01 PM
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15. So Hillary's garbage she's throwing at Obama is just a bore?
Interesting...
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM
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9. Terri McAuliffe, but Bill Maher called bullshit on him
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:57 PM
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10. called bullshit on Obama? Please explain.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:59 PM
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12. I think Rosebud meant Maher called BS on McAuliffe.
I can't stand McAuliffe.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:05 PM
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32. No on Terri, he works for Clinton
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:15 AM
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44. Like Wolfson, McAuliffe falls a bit short on the "thought leader" stipulation.
He's just a political hack. (as would be Carville, Axelrod, Plouffe, Begala, ...)

I expect the OPer is looking for any Democratic elected officials or their policy advisors.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:18 AM
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47. Too bad McAuliffe's transmission cut off just when things were getting good.
It was obvious that Maher was ready to let him have it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:58 PM
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11. all he has to defend against his lack of experience in foreign and military affairs is that speech
That's ALL he has.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:02 PM
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17. That's your opinion. But that is NOT the question. Does the DP approve of Hillary's remarks?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:03 PM by DeadElephant_ORG
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:33 PM
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25. but guess what, that speech was absolutely correct and
showed political courage and sound judgment at a time when HRC exhibited only calculating cowardice or utter stupidity.

Now what the fuck is Shrillary's experience in foreign and military affairs?!!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:16 AM
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45. Is video or text of his speech available somewhere?
I'd like to review exactly what he forecast.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 PM
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33. And what pray tell did Bill have?
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
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30. still waiting....
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 PM
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31. still waiting....
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:11 PM
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34. Yep. I think this is what finally pushes the undecided superdelegates. n/t
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:30 PM
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35. that's what I've been thinking. Certainly none have defended her.

and I think that the Hillary supporters on DU are thinking too: that this might be the end of the line. (and on MySpace too, by the way)
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:00 AM
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36. still waiting...
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:04 PM
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37. it's been 3 days since her comments. still waiting...
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:57 PM
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38. I wonder what the Super Delegates are talking about today....
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:13 PM
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39. still waiting...
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:40 PM
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40. Geez...! the Hillary supporters don't dare touch this thread
they have no answer, and they know it. And they know what that means - the end of her campaign is just a few days (if not hours) away.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:02 AM
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41. still waiting...
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:10 AM
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42. I hope you're not holding your breath.
You'd have turned ten shades of blue by now.

Kick to give the non-responders another chance to respond. I won't hold my breath, either.

- as
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:17 AM
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46. Kick and resuscitate?!?
:)
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