MY FRIENDS, JOHN MCCAIN IS SENILE

[redstate_democrat]

"My friends. The old jobs aren't coming back! THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK! What we need to do is eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax. Most people don't even know what that is. It was made for the wealthiest Americans, but now because of inflation, 25% of Americans are in DANGER because of it. And our corporate tax is the second highest in the WORLD! Only Japan is higher! The corporations are LEAVING and taking their corporations with them! My friends, government has a role in the economy. It isn't hands off. Government can lower taxes and make the tax cuts permanent!"

-John McCain a a "rally" in Atlanta this week.

Yea, he's some economic genius alright. What a joke. While he tries to "beef up" his economic platform, the Democratic side is busy defeating itself in the GE against this inanimate prop they have for a Republican nominee.

My friends, we must defeat this Model T robot and end this primary season NOW before it's too late.

[Avalux]

1. Not only senile, he has PTSD.

I don't know how he couldn't after being in a prison camp for 7 years. This explains his uncontrolled anger that even his friends find disturbing.

[redstate_democrat]

3. Yes he does

He is the angriest, grumpiest man alive. He really has a temper on him!

[JoFerret]

14. In that Obama pic

...he looks like a high school Model UN debater.

Not trying to flame here. I like Obama but he just looks so young! (Maybe it's me - over the hill).

[Hippo_Tron]

16. I'm sure he had PTSD decades ago, but I'm not sure what timespan on that is

I know that some people can recover from it. Either way I wouldn't wish it on anyone. My friend has it, and it's awful.

[Avalux]

21. I don't think McCain has recovered from what's been said.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone either, and I certainly don't want someone who has it as Prez with access to nukes.

[redstate_democrat]

26. That is so sad

But we don't need anyone who has had that near the White House! We need an even tempered person especially after what Bush and his neocon allies have done in the world these last eight years. If McCain gets in there, the world will probably view it as an act of aggression. This man has made his stance clear!

[Hippo_Tron]

33. Again, I agree that if he still suffers from PTSD he doesn't need to be in the White House

But again, from what I've heard people can recover from PTSD. If McCain is still unstable then indeed he should not be in the White House. Even if he is stable he shouldn't be in there, but that's another story.

[quakerboy]

61. PTSD Timeline

I work with Veterans from Vietnam, Korea, and WWII who still have PTSD. Got one guy who screams and ducks when in a car that crosses a railroad track. He was in the Navy in WWII. Thats your timeline on PTSD just going away...

[woo me with science]

60. Nonsense.

Only a very small fraction of people who undergo horrific experiences end up diagnosable with PTSD. It is a myth that everybody who experiences trauma must be disordered and need therapy. In fact, there is emerging evidence that people who are funneled into therapy after a disaster are MORE likely to have PTSD symptoms a year later than people with similar symptoms who aren't.

Don't attempt armchair psychiatric diagnoses. There is plenty to use against McCain without stooping to that level.

[Avalux]

67. I can do so if I want. That man is unstable and shouldn't be making decisions about war and death.

And I'd like to see that evidence of which you speak. A link would be appreciated.

[woo me with science]

71. "I can...if I want."

Of course you can. People who respond like preschoolers do all sorts of foolish things.

With the attitude in your post, I am sure your request for a link was honest and based on your wish to learn more, rather than to have a pissing match on the boards. I am confident that you will go right out and find the studies to read, won't you?

Sure you will.

If you decide to look, check out Gerald Rosen's research, nicely consolidated in his latest book.

[Avalux]

74. I guess if I tell you where to put your high horse, that would be preschoolish.

But thanks for the nonlink, if I can manage I might look up Gerald Rosen.

[burythehatchet]

2. I wonder if someone is going to talk to him about the "my friend" thing n/t

[stop the bleeding]

10. Hopefully one of "his friends" that he is always talking to

[WCGreen]

4. I am an accountant and I see the AMT effecting only a select few

of people who have really high deductions or high capital gains income...

[redstate_democrat]

Yet he is saying

25% of Americans are in "danger" because of AMT due to inflation. This man knows NOTHING about economics. He has NO PLAN.

[WCGreen]

41. Inflation is a factor in the AMT for sure...

But it is a scare tactic to get the little people behind the repeal...

It's like the myth about this country being owned by the little investors...

[tularetom]

17. The AMT scare is a creation of wall Street

to try to frighten enough average Americans into believing it's gonna bite them in the ass so that they will support its elimination, which would really benefit only the very wealthy.

I got hit last year because I sold a piece of property but I think I'll be safe this year.

[WCGreen]

42. Like I said, capital gains...

They use to piss and moan about capital gains being unfair....

But you know what, a dollar is a dollar no matter how you earn it...

Why should one be treated differently than another...

Beside, the regular tax rates are indexed to inflation and that should take care of any special treatment for Capital Gains...

No need to have the AMT if you don't have special provisions for one type of income over another...

[Labors of Hercules]

5. One word: BOEING.

McCain is toast.

[End Of The Road]

6. I certainly agree with him about dumping the AMT. nt

[dchill]

19. Dumping the AMT might be a good idea...

but John McCain actually has no idea why.

[NightWatcher]

7. not to mention there are many generals scared to give him "the briefcase"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/06/commander_... /

It is not difficult in Washington to find high-level military officials who have had close encounters with John McCain's temper, and who find it worrisome. Politicians sometimes scream for effect, but the concern is that McCain has, at times, come across as out of control. It is difficult to find current or former officers willing to describe those encounters in detail on the record. That's because, by and large, those officers admire McCain. But that doesn't mean they want his finger on the proverbial button, and they are supporting Clinton or Obama instead.
<snip>
"I studied leadership for a long time during 32 years in the military," said retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, a one-time Republican who is supporting Obama. "It is all about character. Who can motivate willing followers? Who has the vision? Who can inspire people?" Gration asked. "I have tremendous respect for John McCain, but I would not follow him."

"One of the things the senior military would like to see when they go visit the president is a kind of consistency, a kind of reliability," explained retired Gen. Merrill McPeak, a former Republican, former chief of staff of the Air Force and former fighter pilot who flew 285 combat missions. McPeak said his perception is that Obama is "not that up when he is up and not that down when he is down. He is kind of a steady Eddie. This is a very important feature," McPeak said. On the other hand, he said, "McCain has got a reputation for being a little volatile." McPeak is campaigning for Obama.

[redstate_democrat]

20. GOD THIS MAN FRIGHTENS ME!

I don't want him ANYWHERE NEAR that red phone. I don't want this man anywhere near that "button". He might have a flash back and decide to go batshit. Then what about Alzheimer's? That is a REAL possibility! He could go batshit at anytime! Please God I don't want this man anywhere near the White House. "Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran!" The man is afflicted in the mind!

[Hand]

8. Great gaddlemighty...

"Listen... if he starts foaming at the mouth..."

[monmouth]

9. Sadly he received applause after these statements...n/t

[Slagathor]

11. He's too old to run

there should be a cut off of 65 for president.

[backtothefuture1999]

12. John McCain is an american hero

[Eurobabe]

15. I think you hit the wrong board

you want freerepublic.com

C'ya!

[backtothefuture1999]

24. ..nope,

I don`t think I hit the wrong board, I just don`t think it`s fair to call McCain senile.

[Ikonoklast]

30. So is this, but I don't think it should be President

On second thought, the hero sandwich is more qualified. It never took money from lobbyists to dump the S&L crisis onto taxpayers, like your hero McCain.

But it looks tasty.

[backtothefuture1999]

34. I never said McCain should be president.

[Ikonoklast]

50. I never said he should be a sandwich, either

What point are you trying to make?


McCain is no more a 'hero' than my father, who was a Marine at the Chosen Resevoir during Korea. He still has mortar round shrapnel coming out of his body.

And the nighmares to go with it.

Except his Daddy wasn't an Admiral that pulled strings so sonny boy could be a fighter jock, even though he wasn't smart enough, and an average pilot, at best, according to those that knew him at the time.

Fuck McCain and all his enablers that will send more Americans into war. Fuck them.

[backtothefuture1999]

63. No point - just a statement

[Lochloosa]

80. I disagree backtothefuture1999

John McCain was shot down over Vietnam, captured and spent 7 years in a POW camp.

A hero rushes inside a burning house and saves a baby.

A hero takes on a machine gun nest with no hope of surviving and wins. (I met a man that did this in Vietnam)

A hero spends his/her vacation working to build homes in NOLA.

A hero works in the inner city trying to save someone/anyone from a life of drugs and poverty.

John McCain is not a hero.

[backtothefuture1999]

86. Ok, you have your opinion, I have mine

[Lochloosa]

88. Then tell me. Why is McCain a hero.

What, other than serve his country like millions before and after him, did he do to deserve the moniker "Hero". Oh, excuse me, "American Hero".

[lligrd]

13. So If We Eliminate The AMT We Don't Need Jobs

Ok, John!

This makes about as much sense as his, everybody knows I had a meeting with Kerry except me, rant yesterday.

Alzheimer's fooled us once (well some of them anyway). We shouldn't let it happen again.

[redstate_democrat]

32. He was really

ANGRY in that press conference on his plane. It was scary. All I could think of when watching that is GEORGE BUSH.

[Vinca]

18. My friends, all he has to say is the global economy is good for Americans

and your jobs are not coming back and he's toast. A bonus is the 100 years war thing. Charlie Manson could win against him.

[Major Hogwash]

22. How can you tell?

How can you tell?

Does he keep repeating himself?

Does he keep repeating himself?

LoL

LoL

[PetraPooh]

23. DUH!

[galaxy21]

25. I like John McCain....

As long as he doesn't ban abortion or invade another country, his presidency won't be THAT bad.

[redstate_democrat]

28. LOL!

You've just about named the TWO things he is guaranteed to do! But I gather you made this statement with your tongue firmly in your cheek. lol!

[galaxy21]

31. McCain won't ban abortion....like Reagan he 's all talk when it comes to that.

As for invading another country. I think he's smart enough to realise his hands are full with Iraq.

[Rosemary2205]

37. They are ALL all talk.

The abortion debate's only purpose is to keep up occupied while they pick our bones clean.

[redstate_democrat]

38. I'm not willing

to give this man the benefit of the doubt!!!! I don't know which side your on, but I'm for the Democratic Party. John McCain is a HAWK. He failed on that torture bill he voted against. He failed on his defense of the Bush tax cuts after he was against it. He did this for political reasons. He is a political opportunist. He failed in his defense of the war in Iraq. The man doesn't know a thing about economics. He will ruin this country. He is literally BUSH III, but with a shorter circuit. And who knows who his VP might be! He needs a conservative to win over that wing of his party. If you don't think abortion will be in danger think again. If you don't think these neocon nutjobs will invade some country think again. The man said that we would "assist" in the Ecuador/Columbia skirmish. What the hell is wrong with him? Aren't we a little busy at the moment!?

[galaxy21]

49. Honestly, I think McCain is simply too self aware and too smart to end up Bush III

[cali]

35. Fuck McCain. He's a corrupt old bastard.

And he's a complete wingnut. He is atrocious and he'd be a terrible president.

[mzmolly]

87. Bologna, on all counts. He can't ban abortion, but his SCOTUS nominees can, and likely will.

If you like JM you should find an online support group and this isn't it. Welcome

[Rosemary2205]

27. Hasn't that been HEAVILY edited???

the dots need to be put in where it was cut. I heard the whole speech and although I disagree with most of what he said, it was mostly coherant - not at all disjointed the way the source of that quote respresents.

[redstate_democrat]

29. Nope!

That is what he said verbatim!

[Rosemary2205]

36. I don't think he gave 2 speeches in Atlanta did he?

the one I attended with Sonny Purdue there sounded nothing like that.

[galaxy21]

39. 'I fawt for ma' country!!!!!!'

Jeez, in a town full of draft dodgers and cowards (hi, George!) he's a genuine war hero. Give him credit for that, at least.

[redstate_democrat]

43. Ok, maybe he is a war hero

but every man or woman who suits up and goes to war is a war hero. John Kerry is a war hero but that didn't stop those WINGNUTS from dragging his name through the mud. These people don't give a shit about that. All they care about is POWER.

McCain's ass has been kissed for too long because of his POW status. We thank him for his service, but we also reject his candidacy for president.

Fact is, he is a CORRUPT CROOK and HYPOCRITICAL NO STRAIGHT TALK BS'r with a nasty temper.

[galaxy21]

46. remember, McCain was the first to voice his repulsion when they dragged Kerry's record through the

mud. He's also expereinced the smear campaign himself (making up lies about his adopted daughter.)

[redstate_democrat]

40. Shouldn't you be over at

freerepublic.com? You went to a John McCain rally?


What the heck is really going on?

[galaxy21]

44. You all talk about him like he's the typical corrupt republican scumbag

But, for the most part he seems like an honorable guy, who's suffered a lot for his country and isn;t afraid to speak out against his party's status quo.

I'd prefer Obama to him obviously. But even if he was president, he'd still be a huge improvement over what we have now.

[redstate_democrat]

52. uh

no. I have a blind hatred for Repukes. If they were about anything, they would be Democrats. Sorry. John McCain is the worst kind too. He puts on this front like he is really different from the rest of the Repukes...like he is more ethical, straight, centrist. He caves. He let Rove and Bush drag his name through the mud, disparage his family, and because he wants to be president so bad, he has caved to everything he "says" he is against. He is a BS'r no straight talking angry man. He is attached to not only the hip of Bush, but also Bush's failed policies. The man plans to continue BUSHism. He may say "my friends", but the man is no friend of ours.

[cbayer]

53. You may want to take a quick look at the posting rules

If you want to stay around.

[redstate_democrat]

56. Yeah

why are peopel defending John McCain?

[cbayer]

58. There seems to be a great influx of these kinds of posters this afternoon

I suspect a game by bored college kids or something like that.

[DS1]

48. oh shut up

there's nothing wrong with seeing what the other side is doing, and besides, that's one less seat for a wingnut

[redstate_democrat]

54. You shut up

Why the hell haven't you responded to those DEFENDING JOHN MCCAIN? We are in a battle for the White House here!

[Rosemary2205]

51. I did indeed.

I volunteer my lift van for transport of wheelchair bound folks of all types. I waited patiently just outside rally and enjoyed a day off work to sit quietly and read my book. Obviously, sound travels..... Calling me a freeper and demanding I defend my charitable acts seems a little silly - but hey, if my being in a wheelchair, owning a lift van, and volunteering to transport anyone needing a ride makes me a freep, then so be it.



None of which changes the fact that quote and what I heard do not match.

[redstate_democrat]

55. I don't particularly care about what you THINK you heard

that is the quote. I think your defense of John McCain is strange. Who gives a damn if this man added a "my friends" in between the bs in that quote. That is what he SAID.

[Rosemary2205]

57. You'll have to prove it to me.

Maybe I'm senile too.

A home video from your personal visit to John McCain's rally would be helpful.

[redstate_democrat]

66. I don't have to prove a thing to you

You're challenging the quote, you prove it wrong. What did I leave out of the snippet? A "my friends" here, a "my friends" there? Good grief!! JOHN MCCAIN IS THE ENEMY!

[Rosemary2205]

70. Who knows

maybe the rally you attended and the one I attended were 2 different ones.

Of course they had to be 2 different rallies, when you attended "your" rally it proved you are a loyal democrat, and when I attended the rally I did, it was proof positive I belong over there with JimRob.

[redstate_democrat]

73. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

The video of him saying EXACTLY what I wrote was all over television. The ONLY person in this thread who attended a JOHN MCINSANE rally is YOU.

[Rosemary2205]

75. snort

[redstate_democrat]

77. ?

LOG OFF.

[mtnsnake]

82. Only an insensitive Obama whiner would ever diss someone for loaning out their wheel chair

and their lift van to help those in need.

You should fucking be ashamed of yourself.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. it is spelled sineel - like the wife I almost got. the singer.

the one who pissed off the pope.
My friends, let me tell you what I really think. I think. . . . As I said, my friends, if we don't bomb Ira. . . As I was saying, America has enemas, in many places, and that means, My friends, that is what I think.

[redstate_democrat]

47. lol

[Voice for Peace]

59. It's not ageism. I have seriously questioned whether he may have early signs

of elderly dementia. He seems to have very faulty shortterm memory recall.

[galaxy21]

62. McCain has submitted medial tests/ evalutations that prove he's of sound capacity.

[Voice for Peace]

76. ok then, I guess he'll be a great president as long as he can remember

from week to week whether to torture or not, bomb iran or not, take money
from lobbyists or not, and so forth and so on.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

64. I've noticed he forgets things, doesn't know what to say next, says things in a way that

doesn't flow, etc. Like Dubya.

[redstate_democrat]

68. AND

He is also very arrogant, prideful, and cocky just like Bush. When people are talking to him, asking him a question, he has the facial expression like everyone else is an idiot and he is all knowing and he really knows SQUAT. He raises that one eyebrow and smirks. UGH!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

72. EXACTLY! It's really a shame. Republicans are such sociopathic little arrogant assholes, yet

... we Democrats let them get away with anything.

[Arkana]

65. I just want John McCain to share the acorns he keeps stored in his cheeks.

[jlpohio69]

69. What is going on with his cheeks?

I read that it was caused from an injury while he was a POW, and then I also read that it was due to his bout with cancer. Does anyone here know for sure?

[Olney Blue]

83. You're being cheeky.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

89. between skin cancer, and scarring from torture,

including a broken jaw, I suspect we are being too hard on the old feller.

[dugggy]

78. McCain may be right about the Corporate Tax

Higher corporate taxes punish the more productive outfits while
rewarding the less efficient outfits via tax breaks.

Every penny of corporate tax is ultimately paid by the consumer.
They just jack up the price to pay the taxes.

Higher corporate taxes on domestic corporations encourages them
to outsource jobs to foreign lands where tax rates are lower.

Higher taxes should be paid by high income individuals, not corporations.
That way the highly paid CEO types pay higher taxes but the corporation
is encouraged to keep local jobs.

[busymom]

79. Well, I for one would be happy to get rid of the AMT.

H*A*P*P*Y

Stop letting corporations set up shop overseas and avoid paying taxes to bring in revenue. Let's put the money back into the hands of hte taxpapers.

We pay the AMT every year...and it's ass ridiculous is what it is. We can't deduct a single one of our 5 children from our taxes, our mortgage interest....nothing...and we pay an outrageous amount of money in taxes.

Why bother to go to school and work your ass off in America? I agree with McCain on this one. I'm not going to vote for him....I'm a Clinton gal who will rally behind the dem nominee....but I agree with McCain about the AMT.

[galaxy21]

81. saying McCain is senile is as bad as saying Obama's a secret Muslim

McCain has undergone several tests to prove he is of sound mind. And, gee, don't you think his wife would have noticed something like that and told him not to run?

There are lots of things to criticise McCain for, but playing the age card, is as bad as playing the race card with Obama.

[busymom]

92. I agree.

[SKKY]

84. And yet, many on this forum still think Obama will lose to this anal-dwelling ass clown...

...When they stand next to each other, and begin to debate, the contrast will be striking to the point of embarrassing.

[Hieronymus]

85. If you liked 8 years of George Bush, you'll love McCain/Hillary.

[meow mix]

90. i often think that watching him.. his brain has some "issues"

some of his grey matter is not functioning correctly anymore.

[struggle4progress]

91. It's that old story: mccain ain able

[frogcycle]

93. to use a favorite expression from my high school days...

No shit, sherlock!