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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:32 PM
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Clinton Voter Base : White People Who Cant Caucus
I just saw her giving a speech in Wyoming where she claims that she has an uphill battle because its a caucus state. She says many of her supporters have never caucused before, dont know what to do during a caucus. Also claims that they cant caucus because they have to work. Do Obama supporters have to work? Apparently not acording to Hillarys argument.

She claims she has an uphill battle in Mississippi. Its because of the large proportion of black voters in the state who tend to vote for Obama in overwhelming numbers.

That only leaves White people who cant caucus as her base of support.

Why is it so hard for Hillary supporters to caucus but so easy for Obama supporters? They both have cars. They both have legs. They probably have brains. They most likely have voices. So what is the difference that makes Caucuses so unfair to Hillary supporters, a demographic that is apparently to inept to show up for a caucus, completely rendering them unfair?

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:34 PM
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1. I Think They Just Get Lost On Their Way
Direction challenged.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:35 PM
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3. I saw that too and was puzzled - she was insulting her supporters and they were cheering.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:36 PM by sparosnare
Here's what I've deduced. Hillary supporters are looking to her to take care of them and fix stuff cause they feel so helpless (kinda like GWB supporters).

Obama supporters want to work with him on problems and aren't looking for him to have all the answers; they are masters of their own destinies.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:05 PM
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22. That's brilliant, and true.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:15 PM
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28. I guess Hillary supporters have time to listen to her 2 hour speeches,
but don't have time to caucus?
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 PM
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50. That's not what I see!
I see the Obama surrogates as thinking Barack is the next coming of the Messiah. Eloquent,verbose rhetoric coming from an accomplished orator who really says nothing of substance. Hope? Try putting Hope in one hand and feces in the other hand and see what you get! You guys are like rats lead by the Pied Piper from Illinois. Face it, he is just another politician who has avoided voting on controversial issues. So sorry.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:41 PM
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51. The theme does seem to be mommy makes it all better
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:35 PM
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4. She claims she is at a disadvantage because of the black voters.
And she also claims that people who have jobs can't go to caucuses. Is this just a lousy, lame excuse, or is there also a bit of veiled racism here?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:47 PM
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34. The more she says that shit
the more I think she knows what she's saying.

"Obama gets all the black votes, but MY supporters have to WORK for a LIVING!" :eyes:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:43 PM
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52. Right a committed voter can't use vacation/personal days. Maybe her supporters aren't feeling her
all that much
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:36 PM
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5. People who
wake up once every four years - stumble down to their voting station and look for a familiar name on the ballot overwhelmingly support Hillary

People who read newspapers and books, pay attention and are active constantly whether there is an election looming or not heavily lean toward Obama
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:37 PM
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6. My, aren't we insulting today?
"White people who can't caucus"-- you actually aren't aware of what you said? :puke:

Why is that okay, but if I started off a post, "Black people can't...", I'd get my ass kicked faster than you can say "dumbass"?

Just the fact that you draw lines like these proves you don't have the faintest idea what the word caucus means.





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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:04 PM
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21. omg your sig is from a Morrissey song!
I know that song - "disappointed"

Yeah I am aware of what I said. But since you have a Morrissey quote Im going to hijack this and turn it back on you. Dare I say , "Svengali in Platforms"? "he only wants to embrace your culture"..... hmmm? "life is hard enough when you belong here".... hmm? "shelve your western plans"? eh?

Anywho, that is her base. White people, of which I am one, that cant caucus. I can say lots of things about white people because I am one. I can say the White Man destroyed the Native American way of life. I can say with conviction that white people have owned this country since day one. I can say that white people have tended towards racisim.

I am voting for a black man with a black wife and black children because I despise the white woman that is running... but I am not doing so because he is black and not because she is white. I am doing so because he speaks from his heart, his convictions are strong, his wife is phenomenal. I am voting for the soul that resides within the human form that they are. I am voting for the essence of who he is. Its just an added bouns to me that racist consciousness of this nation gets a slap in its unjust face when we have a black man as president. Its a bouns that after 200+ years of white man in power that my white son can grow up in a world where that reality is gone and that he can see that with living proof that anyone can do anything.

You see I dont care if someone is black or white or hispanic or asian. I dont care if someone has a penis or a vagina or both or neither. I care about who that person is underneath the surface. And I would never claim that black people can or cant do something because I am not black. I cannot speak for something that I am not.

So there.
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:03 PM
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55. Please tell us
how you decided to vote for his soul? What exactly is his essence? How long have you studied this man who has held office for a relatively short time? From his oratory? From his voting record, which when under security is very questionable? Missing votes,etc. There have been many politicians and charismatic leaders who have lead people to follow them down a very disastrous path,eh.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:38 PM
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7. Hillary people have got work..Obama people don't have jobs so they
can caucus..does that sound like we either are on the dole or very rich....and young people have never caucus and learned how..
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:50 PM
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35. Maybe all the people who are unemployed are pissed at her?
did she consider that one? :shrug: :P
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:52 PM
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37. Don't forget the seniors, who SHOULD know how to caucus
Also Barack has meetings that teaches one how to caucus. He has an volunteers who help teach his supporters. I attended two of them in Texas.


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:38 PM
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8. They probably spell caucus as "cock us"
Remember all the sweet words that Hillary used when she was trying to woo Iowans prior to their caucus?
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:53 PM
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14. ..
:spray:

Thank god I missed the keyboard from my spewing coffee after reading this!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:39 PM
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9. The numbers are a little better when her voters have ELECTRIC wheelchairs n/t
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
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10. You have to pick a side of the room to stand on....very complicated.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:51 PM
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36. Not like most of us mastered that in kindergarten
:eyes:
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:41 PM
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11. We cant Jump Either.
just sayin..
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:48 PM
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12. Or dance
:shrug:
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:50 PM
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13. There are records all over showing Obama has
support from more affluent voters and Hillary's is more from blue collar workers. What's so hard to understand that blue collar workers probably can't take off 3 or 4 hours and go caucus but the more affluent can? And if you can't figure out that Blacks are voting 90% for Obama and that a state with a high Black population just might swing more towards Obama then I can't help you.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:56 PM
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17. Is that because WY is filled with affluent voters?
who, you know, between squash matches, just love to go caucus for Sen Obama?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:59 PM
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41. "between squash matches"
:rofl:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:01 PM
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18. Wyoming has lots of black people, right?
Or is it just that all the Clinton supporters in Wyoming work on Saturdays?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:09 PM
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25. Smart and successful people like Obama. I don't know why you would
want to be associated with HER electorate--are they all poor and ignorant and unmotivated? Or easily-frightened elderly? Or racist? If that's the argument you're making, I'm willing to run with it. Makes me even PROUDER to be a smart, successful Obama supporter.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:53 PM
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38. Let me ask you something in all honesty. With that kind of attitude, why aren't you a Republican?
:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:55 PM
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39. I gotta admit my own racism here a little bit
See, I'm under the impression that most black people aren't doing so great economically.

There are a lot of middle-class black people, sure, but there are also a LOT of blue collar and JUST PLAIN POOR black people.

These blue collar and poor black people seem to be getting to the polls okay, so why can't blue collar and poor white people get down there? :shrug:

Do you see why this is confusing to me? :shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:55 PM
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15. They don't support her to the extent that they will go stand for her
somewhere? In other words, she's just their default candidate.....cause the MSM says so? :shrug:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:55 PM
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16. They both have cars? Wrong. I was told Obama's supporter drove limousines and HC's cannot take bus
on the weekend.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:03 PM
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19. If that's the case then wtf happened in Nevada? nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:04 PM
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20. Her base: ignorant, unmotivated voters who see the brand name and press the lever.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:06 PM
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23. Single mothers, disabled veterans, those on active duty, second-shift workers, elderly
Glad to finally hear your opinion of them.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:11 PM
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26. Nope--you're the ones claiming that her supporters don't bother to caucus.
I have to imagine it's because they either don't know any better, or maybe just don't care. Because Obama and Hillary are on equal footing in caucuses. Hillary won a few, remember? :rofl:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:13 PM
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27. By the way, I'm sure Obama gets PLENTY of those folks--the ones
that are motivated to show up, that is!!
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:33 PM
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57. Wait what? You really can't understand that some have a much harder time caucusing?
A single mother with 3 kids who can't leave them all alone? A veteran in Iraq? A disabled elderly person who can't get to the polls and therefore usually votes absentee?

You just can't understand that some people have a much harder time caucusing than others, or simply CAN'T caucus? You really think it is all about motivation?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:07 PM
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24. Prolly because a lot of them would be outed as the Rush supporters they are to their neighbors. nt
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:32 PM
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31. The demographics are well known to all of us...
Sen. Obama's supporters come primarily from the better-educated and affluent side of society...the largest contingent of them do. Pointed out by pollsters time and time again in most states, Sen. Clinton's supporters are essentially from the blue collar crowd. The less affluent and those more likely to work shift work(nights for example).

This is neither fair nor unfair...it is just an existing condition that we all must take into consideration.

Student supporters can be available at any time, while older voters may not be. That would explain the 'youth' support on the one hand and the problems with the older crowd of supporters.

This is what is and voters/supporters need to be able to cope with the problems as they occur in ALL the different states.

Most of us favor the regular election format over the caucuses since actual voting produces more participation. Caucuses represent a much smaller percentange of voters and may/may not be realistic. At the end of actual voting, there are hard numbers that really have some meaning.

The crazy patchwork quilt of voting laws and situations have amazed all of us, confounded many of us, and this is the first primary in years where we could actually see the mechanisms that are operative in the many states. The last two elections were over following Iowa and NH. The NET has allowed us to look at all the states this time and most of us are amazed at the differences between them in the actual selection process.

It is now time for us to seek some unity as a party. If we fail to achieve that, then the right will win and we can kiss the country goodbye. We cannot possibly survive nationally, one more term of Republican rule.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:39 PM
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33. The Clintons have headed the Democratic party for 16 years now
They've had plenty of time to change this "unfair" system. Funny how Bill didn't mind caucuses when he was winning them, isn't it? Funny how all of a sudden it's unfair because Obama is winning them.

As for the supposed youth/older voter divide, retirees (who favor Clinton) have as much time, or more, than students to vote or caucus. The exit polls show that 18-30 and 65+ voters (Obama's and Clinton's best age demos, respectively) vote in roughly equal proportions at caucuses or primaries.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:18 PM
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29. In Iowa she claimed the troops couldn't vote.
So, in her mind, white people who can't caucus + the troops = her base.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:29 PM
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30. Except that more military members donate to Obama than to her. I'm pretty
sure that's a good sign of military support for him, rather than her.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:39 PM
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32. Don't you know, Obama's base is the idle rich and indolent Negroes?
:shrug:

She's doing a better job of stereotyping the far left than even W can do. :eyes:

I'm waiting for her to mention hot tubs. :eyes:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:56 PM
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40. You forgot patchouli soaked whipersnappers
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:06 PM
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42. Get real.
Most of them are too baked to actually vote. :P
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:13 PM
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43. States Ranked By Income, Tagged by Candidate
Interesting. Thing is, the more states vote, the harder it is to put people into these little boxes.

(C) Clinton, (O) Obama, (Y) Yet to Vote

#1 - Connecticut & District of Columbia (O)
#2 - New Jersey (C)
#3 - Massachusetts (C)
#4 - Maryland (O)
#5 - Colorado (O)
#6 - Virginia (O)
#7 - New Hampshire (C)
#8 - New York (C)
#9 - Delaware (O)
#10 - Minnesota (O)

#40 - Kentucky (Y)
#41 - Idaho (O)
#42 - North Dakota (O)
#43 - Oklahoma (C)
#44 - South Dakota (Y)
#45 - New Mexico (C)
#46 - Montana (Y)
#47 - Louisiana (O)
#48 - Arkansas (C)
#49 - West Virginia (Y)
#50 - Mississippi (Y)
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:19 PM
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44. Hillary's base: the ignorant "I didn't know Obama isn't a Muslim" voter, too lazy to
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:19 PM by Bread and Circus
take time to actually read and know about the candidates. Also too lazy to caucus. AKA the Democrats that voted for Bush over Kerry.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:25 PM
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45. Duh. You said they have brains which means they really want her to go away.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:27 PM
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46. Clinton supporters realize they're not voting for Bill
when they actually arrive at a caucus... then they see that Obama supporters actually believe in their candidate and all move to the Obama side of the gymnasium.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:29 PM
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47. Bill Clinton is out there whoring for Hillary and suggesting that Obama .....
should stoop to be her VP. :eyes:
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 PM
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54. Now, that
would be a collossal mistake on her part.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:31 PM
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48. Cacusing takes more than 5 minutes?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 PM
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49. On the Bright Side, We Excel At Spelling, Grammar, and Punctuation
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:20 PM by Crisco
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:04 PM
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56. You Excell, eh?
:shrug:

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 PM
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53. I saw that also. That was the most lame excuse for her lack of support that I ever seen.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:55 PM by IsItJustMe
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