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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:28 PM
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Is Hillary Clinton a monster?
Q: You don't believe that Senator Clinton is a monster?
A: Of course not.

I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.


Q: You said you'd take Senator Clinton at her word that she's nota monster. You don't believe that she's
A: No. No, there is nothing to base that on.

As far as I know.


Q: It's just scurrilous?
A: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:30 PM
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1. LOL, No, Of Course Not, I Admire Her Acting Abilities Though. nt
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:34 PM
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2. I hadn't thought of that
:rofl:

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
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7. She paid good money for those!
:rofl:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:37 PM
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3. I'm glad you brought this up.
Samantha Powers, while retracting her statement and withdrawing which was the politically correct thing to do for Obama's campaign, opened up a general question in my mind. What exactly happened, that she was privy to, that would make her come up with said conclusion? I am not saying anything one way or another- but I am curious as to what transpired, that would prompt someone to say such a thing. Just wondering.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:39 PM
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5. Good Point. Perhaps We Should Look Up Her Heritage
Was she related to Count Dracula?
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:51 PM
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28. I doubt it--she's a werewolf.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:39 PM
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6. actually i changed Hillary's statement about Obama being a Muslim
to a statement about her being a monster. I don't know if that was very clear.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:38 PM
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4. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
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8. Nobody who has any kind of evidence against her has come forward.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:43 PM by emad
Absence of evidence = evidence of absence?

There are some pretty seismic faultlines in the Democratic Party which were tightly papered over during the Clinton/Gore administrations.

Some of these go back to what is for many ancient history - the done deals re JFK and Bobby Kennedy's assassinations.

I worked in the UN for many years and found that where there was extreme criticism of Bill Clinton it was nearly always about his appeasement of Bush 1 and Bush 2.

Bush 1: for his unimaginable atrocity-peddling while head of the CIA.

Bush 2: for agreeing to expunge all his drinking and drug taking -related history and his criminal behavior viz Arbusto.

Some of my UN colleagues found the whole matter incomprehensible.

Maybe that's where Hillary's jibe is sourced from. I don't know.

That White House Travel Office business also ominous.

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:53 PM
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29. I have strong evidence that she is technically a monster, and I came forward.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Werewolves are typically regarded as monsters.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
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9. Ask the 12 yr old girl who was raped and Hillary attack her
Ask the little girl in the red phone ad. Hope you all get to hear what she said about hillary. She said she should have been the last person for Hillary to pick to be in the ad. Wants to make an ad with Obama.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:41 PM
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10. she has made some monstrous decisions
that has affected many people in a very negative way - IWR, K/L, protector of carpet bombing, bankruptcy bill, etc. etc. etc.

She did the Mash
She did the Monster Mash
It was a graveyard smash.
aah, whoooo, ah ah ah whooooo.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:24 PM
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11. Having worked in the Clinton White House, I can safely say she is not.
:)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM
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12. I'm not saying she is
Just using her words about Obama being Muslim and highlighting her equivocations.

How she lost me as a voter is probably one of the anecdotes she would be wise to read if she intends to continue in politics.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:50 PM
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13. In what context did Senator Clinton "use words" about Senator Obama being a Muslin?
I see it's going around the Internet, but on right-wing websites.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 PM
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15. Is 60 Minutes a right wing website?
You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim? Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that, she replied.

You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's nota Muslim. You don't believe that he's, Kroft said.

No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know, she said.

It's just scurrilous? Kroft inquired.

Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time, Clinton said.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:59 PM
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16. So Senator Clinton is saying that she takes Senator Obama at his word that he's NOT a Muslim
and that she empathizes with him because he, too, has been the victim of scurrilous rumors.

What am I missing here? :shrug:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:37 PM
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25. Do you follow politics?
Because everyone else seems to get the gist of the OP.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 PM
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26. I'm a veteran of sixteen campaigns in fourteen years, I do follow campaigns,
and I've worked with some of the most prominent and powerful movers and shakers in this town. You may have seen my other post stating that I also worked in the Clinton White House.

You're saying there's a fire, but I don't see any smoke.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:48 PM
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27. I was being sarcastic
And I'm not saying there's "fire". I'm saying that if we take her words denying that Obama is a Muslim and instead make them about denying she is a monster that the equivocation leaves doubt as to whether or not the speaker really thinks she is not a monster.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:54 PM
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30. I suspected you were being sarcastic, but didn't see the . . .
:sarcasm: under your sentences.

If I'm not talking to you face-to-face, it's difficult to ascertain whether your attempting to emphasize a point or being disdainful (hopefully it's the former and not the latter).

Thank you for clarifying your posting.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:59 PM
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31. a little of both ;)
:evilgrin:

and I hate the :sarcasm: tag.
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:55 PM
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14. That is awesome.
Lucky you :)
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:01 PM
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17. Sixteen-to-twenty-hour workdays, every day for almost three years!
It's an honor to serve the people of this country, but you have no life.

That's the trade-off.
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:09 PM
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20. I bet you have alot of great memories --- and stories!
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:36 PM
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24. I do, and I treasure every one of them
When things calm down a little bit on DU, I'll be happy to share them - just don't want to bore anyone! :hi:
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Miami Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:03 PM
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18. Well, sometimes I have nightmares
that she's hiding in my closet or under my bed.

Not sure if that makes her a monster....
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:07 PM
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19. Clinton campaign unveils new logo
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:10 PM
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21. Stop! You have angered Obama!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:30 PM
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22. Excellent use of her own calculated (and shitty) comments to make the point.
"I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that..." HRC.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:31 PM
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23. not as far as I know...
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:03 PM
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32. That's really not being fair to monsters ...
and from what I gather, she's never been seen in the same room with the Devil.

The thing the Clinton-lovers are going to have to understand is that their playbook has been read and understood by the remainder of the political class. WJC's wins were at a time when the internet was in its infancy. Today's level of information saturation and instantaneous fact-checking will make if far more difficult to pull off the type of lies and deceit that they are famous for.

Sorry people. This is a campaign between a Progressive and a corporate-DLC-proWar hypocrite. If Billary manages to steal the nomination despite Obama winning more delegates and popular votes, there will be hell to pay. And don't think you can buy him off for a spot on the ticket (does anyone REALLY think Hillary's VP would be #2, in front of WJC????).

This is going to get very unpleasant, but HRC has brought it on to herself. I hope she gets what she deserves.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:37 PM
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34. Yep, and what she deserves is the White House. n/t
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:49 AM
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35. Substitute "Big" for "White", & you are correct...
the current occupants deserve a short trial and a speedy hanging for war crimes. Those who enabled them (and continue to do so) should at least see the inside of a cell for a very long time.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:06 PM
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33. Good one!
:-)
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