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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:02 PM
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Wyoming must be deprived of its convention delegates!
And the same applies to any other state that the Democratic candidate is deemed unlikely to carry in November. Only states that are deemed likely to go for the Democrat in November should be allowed a part in nominating the Democratic candidate.

At least, that's what I deduce from posts by Clinton supporters belittling Obama victories in certain states.

Wait! Maybe such states should be allowed delegates, but they should only be allowed to count as, oh, I dunno, say 3/4 of a regular delegate.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM
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1. think red
Do you really think your candidate is going to take the red states in November? Get a grip! He will lose Florida, hell, he doesn't even want them to count, he will lose the entire south, most of the midwest, both Dakotas, Arizona and probably Nevada, definitely Texas and Oklahoma. If he can't get both Florida and Ohio, he's out of luck.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:07 PM
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2. First, I dispute that prediction
And second, even I thought it were true, I still wouldn't accept the implication that convention delegates won in those states are less important than delegates won elsewhere.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:08 PM
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3. Is there any proof that Hillary would win Texas and Ohio in November?
Just because she won a Dem. primary has no bearing on how she'll do in November.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:21 PM
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9. Oh I think it does
Go back and ready your political history
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:36 PM
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12. I was a political science major. You miss the point
Al Gore, John Kerry and Jimmy Carter all won the Ohio primary. A Dem is always going to win a Dem primary.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:10 PM
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4. He will win CO, NM, VA, IA, and NV. She won't even come close to any of them n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM
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8. That's exactly what I'm thinking of.
And it's time to spread the Democratic party out. 50 State Strategy for the future. We have to find new votes, whereever they are, or we'll be stuck in a 51-49 gridlock forever.

This is the way forward, and it's becoming more clear with every primary and caucus.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:13 PM
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6. think coattails.
Obama can bring down ticket Democrats along for the ride in lots of these Red States even if he doesn't win the State, he could win their districts.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:16 PM
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7. We have a reasonable chance of splitting our EVs for the first time ever this year
In Nebraska with Obama, according to susa.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:03 PM
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16. You think Jersey's likely to go for McCain?
:shrug:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:30 PM
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24. Why are you giving up NJ and PA?
I can possibly see PA in a squeaker, but no way NJ votes McLame.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
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29. ?? I'm not. That's SUSA's map -- I was emphasizing Nebraska
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM by Abacus
I think we'll carry both NJ and PA. I thought it was remarkable that we might actually go half Dem this year; I was responding to someone who thought we couldn't win red states in the GE. Just sayin'...

From wikipedia:
For most of its history, Nebraska has been a solidly Republican state. Republicans have carried the state in all but one presidential election since 1940the 1964 landslide election of Lyndon B. Johnson. In the 2004 presidential election, George W. Bush won the state's five electoral votes by a 33% margin (the fourth-most Republican vote among states) with 65.9% of the overall vote; only Thurston County, which includes two American Indian reservations, voted for John Kerry.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska

Edited format error.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:31 PM
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25. Pennsylvania went for Kerry in 2004.
I wouldn't give it to McCain in 2008. The big cities blew the Bush voters out of the water and can do the same this go-around.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:10 PM
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5. Maybe the 12 delegates seem somewhat insignificant?
Vermont has 15 and Obama people didn't seem to get that excited over it.
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jalynn Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:32 PM
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11. Obama
Does not stand a chance in Tennessee
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:01 PM
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14. But did Obama people pretend that Vermont was irrelevant?
If they did, but I don't remember it.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:25 PM
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22. I can't respond to your argument
I don't acknowledge your premise. All I know is that Obama seemed somewhat blase over his Vermont win.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:04 PM
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17. Hey, we LOVE Vermont!
It's the home of Ben, Jerry, and Howard. :D

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:05 PM
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18. Obama people treat the voters...
in each state the same. It's insane, I know..but they seem to have this crazy idea that they were in a Primary race and the rules were already in place before it began!!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:30 PM
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10. Guess all those steak-eating, blue-jean and cowboy-hat wearing,
rodeo-riding, leather-boot-wearing, plaid-shirt-wearing, beer-drinking,
blue-collar-working, pickup-truck-driving, bar-going, pool-shooting folks out in Wyoming were just too "mesmerized" by Obama to resist.

(Quite a coalition isn't it, with the above folks standing with all those
"Birkenstock-wearing, latte-drinking, Volvo-driving, trust-fund-babies" who are just as "taken-in" by the young guy from Illinois who has only spent 20 years of his life serving others in and out of both state and national government.)

GO OBAMA! YOU'RE AWESOME !!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:42 PM
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13. I hate stereotyping
I find it not productive.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:06 PM
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19. I think the point of the above stereotype
was to show that stereotypes are dumb. :P
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:20 PM
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20. I don't think so at all
The point couldn't have been made without assuming, for one thing, that all people in Wyoming are men. It's a poor way to makean argument IMO.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:31 PM
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26. Who says there aren't
steak-eating, blue-jean and cowboy-hat wearing, rodeo-riding, leather-boot-wearing, plaid-shirt-wearing, beer-drinking,
blue-collar-working, pickup-truck-driving, bar-going, pool-shooting WOMEN out in Wyoming? :shrug: :D
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:43 PM
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27. Thanks
You make my point for me :eyes:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:02 PM
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15. That's an idea...
Why don't we just let the Clinton's decide which votes count?
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:25 PM
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21. i think the U.S. Constitution addresses this "less of a man/state" status: 3/5 is the right math
or was that overturned by an amendment? i can't remember. if anyone here can remember let us know

:rofl:
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:06 PM
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28. I misremembered; thought it was 3/4.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:22 PM
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32. Is Clemens working for Clinton now?
n/t
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:28 PM
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23. Wyoming's not one of the States That Matter (tm).
In order to become one of Hillary Clinton's Super Special Awesome States That Matter (tm), the qualifications are that you must be named one of these: Massachusetts, California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan (cause she "won" it), Florida (see Michigan), New Jersey, New York, and Texas (but only for the primary, in the general it won't count again)
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:28 PM
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30. Call it the Starbuck's Penalty, calculated by the formulae:
Voters divided by Starbuck's Locations then divided again by per capita Latte consumption. Divide the result by yearly statewide Birkenstock sales, subtract cowboy hats and Hillary supporters, record result as votes for Obama. Multiply together cowboy hats and Hillary supporters, record result as votes for Hillary.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:56 PM
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31. whatever. what have those states done for dem nominees lately? yeah, that's what i thought. i live
in SD, and guess what? we're not voting for the dem nominee in november. but it's very generous of you guys to let us pick him. heh.
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