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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:50 PM
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OH is corrupt, NH is corrupt, NV is corrupt, TX is corrupt, CA is corrupt
NY is corrupt, NJ is corrupt, MA is corrupt, RI is corrupt, TN is corrupt, AK is corrupt, AZ is corrupt, OK is corrupt, NM is corrupt.

They all have rampant election fraud and it is the only reason Hillary was able to steal them.

All the other states, where Obama won, are not corrupt and the votes were counted in a pristine, fair manner.

And you wonder why the vast majority of the country doesn't hear some of you when it comes to the truly valid issues surrounding election reforms?
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:52 PM
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1. I'm sensing a pattern...
Actually, RI is corrupt, but one thing we do right is elections.

O8)
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:10 PM
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17. ..
:rofl:
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:53 PM
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2. You forgot racist...
:evilgrin:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:53 PM
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3. Some people are just nuts
and it's better to ignore them. I don't like Hillary and the campaign she's run, but she did win the states you listed.

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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:54 PM
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4. Yo moms is corrupt, Yo Dad is corrupt.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:54 PM
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5. Obama tends to win by 15% or greater... Hillary tends to win squeakers....

Only 7 of Hillary's 14 wins are by double-digits...

20 of Obama's 28 wins are by double-digits...


Hard to blame "fraud" when a win is by double-digits.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM
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9. Then why is there garbage posted here about OH where she won with double digits?
And why was there garbage posted here about NY, where she won with double digits?

Ditto for CA.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:02 PM
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14. A) Her win in California was less than 10%.... and B).......
...

The question in Ohio was not that she won... but how exit polls showed a 3-point win, but the vote count showed a 10-point win.


In Obama's wins, the exit polls closely resembled the vote counts. In Clinton's wins... in CA, NH, and OH... her margin was more than double what the exit polls indicated.


Prior to 2000, exit polls were always VERY VERY accurate... seldomly off by more than 3%..... Now... all of a sudden, we see exit polls after exit polls turning out to be VERY VERY wrong quite often.

Sorry... that looks fishy.


By the way.... California totals:

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/pres/dem/59.htm

Hillary 51.7%
Obama 43.0%


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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:08 PM
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16. It only looks fishy
to people who can't accept reality.

And if I remember correctly, the NH exit polls were pretty accurate. It was the pre election polling that was not.

What about NY? There was massive whining here about a couple of districts in the city that showed Obama getting 0 votes. Then, when they investigated it, it turned out Clinton mistakenly got 0 votes in some districts as well. Suddenly, people at DU stopped whining and changed the subject.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:27 PM
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50. And during recount by Nader, Hillary actually picked a few votes
in NH. Obamaites haven't even acknowledged that.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM
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21. Ohio ran a great election...
We finally have a competent Secretary of State, no need to wonder, she is a democrat, instead of a party hack like Blackwell...

Jennifer Brunner is a stunning example of someone who takes her elected position seriously and knows she represents all the people, not just those from one party or another...
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:55 PM
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6. Your mind is corrupt.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:55 PM
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7. Only Ohio and Florida have shown themselves to be corrupt when it comes to elections.
I think and hope Ohio has changed since Blackwell left.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM
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10. Ohio's SOS, Jennifer Brunner-D, is really trying. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:24 PM
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23. Try Georgia and South Carolina, too
and there are others. Bottom line is that any state using DRE's is suspect....
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:56 PM
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8. Do those states have electronic voting machines? (nt)
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:58 PM
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12. Ohio does. n/t
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:35 PM
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41. Ohio uses paper and scanners
at least where I vote.

I really like that system, cuz it provides two accounts of the votes. One electronic. One paper.

No problems whatsoever in Cincinnati this year.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 PM
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45. No, most of Ohio uses electronic touch-screen
voting machines. In fact, they're used by 50 of Ohio's 88 counties.

Can you say "Diebold?"

Link here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/us/15ohio.html

Nice photo of Jennifer Brunner, too.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM
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46. Not where I live.
We use paper and scanners. Have for quite a while now.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:58 PM
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11. Texas isn't corrupt. It's an Obama state.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:43 PM
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25. You just keep telling yourself that, dear.
By the way, has someone darkened the BO in your sig?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:55 PM
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29. are you of the opinion that 98 < 95?
Because that would seem to go against all known mathematics
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM
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13. Please Leave Texas Out Of Your Rhetoric
Obama won Texas! Give it up.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM
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15. Hillary won the corrupt primary!!! Bad Texas!!!
Those Texicans do seem to run an honest caucus, however.

:rofl:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:11 PM
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18. Nobody Said That The Ditto-Head Votes Were Corrupt
Just that Hillary wouldn't be getting them in the GE. That is just a fact.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:14 PM
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20. Kinda funny
Obama won't get the republican support he's been getting in the primaries in the GE, either.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM
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22. Yes He Will. Those Are The Moderate Repugs
not the neocon loving conservative ditto-heads that gave Hillary their vote and were too dumb to realize they couldn't vote for the Repuke too.

Take your blinders off and see the truth.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:13 PM
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19. Issues?
My, my. Aren't you the brazen one to mention issues.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:32 PM
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24. Obama won Texas
nice try though
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:45 PM
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26. then he didn't win Missouri
since there was a tie in delegates there 36 - 36.

Which one is it?
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:46 PM
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27. sounds fine to me
why do you put words in people's mouths?

that works fine for me. now, the overall Delegate count?

you are pathetic :rofl:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:54 PM
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28. The constant refrain
of ad hom from the unity crowd. You do such wonders for your candidate.

Now come back with another post full of spinning little smily creatures which fully illuminate the clarity of your argument.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:56 PM
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31. what argument?
i agreed with you!

:rofl:

do you like THAT smiley?

how about this one:

:beer:

is THIS one better?

:eyes:

tell me what you want and i'll MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR YOU!

oops! another one...

:rofl:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:59 PM
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34. How about one
of a poster making a civil, rational, consistent argument?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:00 PM
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35. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:56 PM
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30. And every state that Hillary doesn't win is unimportant
Only the ones she can win matter.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:57 PM
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32. uh
that was the point of this. Reference the hundreds of "alaska doesn't count" threads.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:58 PM
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33. Alaska DOESN'T count!
nobody can get to the voting booths after 'The Bridge To Nowhere' was defeated

:rofl:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:07 PM
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36. It can work both ways. Obama people can say systems are corrupt, and Hillary people are also guilty
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:11 PM by LittleClarkie
of thinking only the big states that Hillary can win are important. As if winning eleven primaries in a row aren't important.

And then there are the supporters who are grumpy because Obama tends to win caucuses. We should get rid of them, some say. But would they say the same if Hillary was winning them instead of Obama?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:12 PM
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37. Do you believe this?
Because Clinton won the popular votes in those states? You do know that we have a new Democratic SOS in CA, don't you? Whose main platform was cleaning up our election systems, and has done a pretty good job of it?

Or maybe you are trying to spread false memes?

Or maybe you are attempting to broadly disparage supporters of the "other candidate", perhaps because one claimed that election systems in one of the states that Clinton won is not open and verifiable?

I've run out of guesses. Maybe you could clarify?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:17 PM
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38. read the last line
of the OP
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:24 PM
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39. I did. A 2nd and 3rd time, just for you.
It's the four before that one that are confusing the hell out of me. What is your point? How does the 5th line follow from the 1st four? I have a strange feeling that there was an earlier post (or maybe even a back-and-forth discussion), and you decided to respond to that post (or posts) with your own cute little OP. And now we are left trying to fill in all the blanks.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:34 PM
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40. it was a
wry reference to the fact that Obama supporters seem to whine constantly about the Clinton meme that Obama only wins the small, redder states (see the hundreds of "Alaska doesn't count threads.") Concurrently, the same Obama supporters selectively raise the issue of supposed voter fraud ONLY in the states Clinton wins.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:42 PM
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43. Now that I understand!
Thanks. Sometimes I can be so literal I'm a pain. I note that you include the word "seem", and I would agree with that use here - though you could have used it in your 2nd sentence too.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:39 PM
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42. And the rest of the states don't matter!!!! n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:43 PM
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44. Rejecting The Obamaessiah makes one corrupt by definition.
Those states are evil, period.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:50 PM
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47. So who keeps winning caucuses?
Hint: it isn't Hillary.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:52 PM
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48. I haven't seen anyone saying any of that
I think so far the election is going in fair manner, Michigan and Florida notwithstanding. :shrug:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:22 PM
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49. Here you go
one example of many, unfortunately

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Plus the data on election fraud is starting to pile up, ALL not coincidentally in favor of Clinton and at Barack's expense. Reminiscent of 2000 when another election fell off the back of a truck."
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:29 PM
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51. There are issues concerning corruption surrounding the first election
he ever won. He's a Cook County Democrat. You cannot be this naive!!
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